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    Hacking, wire tapping and surveillence matters

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    • James Comey's testimony before Congress is the first time he has publicly commented on suspicions of Russian links to Trump campaign
    • The FBI director and other officials also denied any wiretap on Trump Tower
    • NSA director Michael Rogers labelled Trump administration's claims of British complicity in alleged surveillance of his campaign as "nonsense".


    Donald Trump's claim that the Obama administration had "wire-tapped" his Trump Tower headquarters has been thoroughly and publicly debunked by FBI director James Comey, who also publicly confirmed the bureau was investigating possible links between Russia and Mr Trump's associates.

    In his much-anticipated appearance before a Congressional committee hearing, Mr Comey demolished the President's assertion, made in a tweet on Saturday March 4.
    Although members of Congress who have been privy to classified briefings have made similar declarations, the director's comment was the first public admission from anyone in a privileged position of knowledge within the US intelligence community that the President's claim had no basis in fact.

    Mr Comey had clearly anticipated the line of questioning from the most senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, and volunteered to the Congressman that the over-arching Department of Justice did not have any evidence to support Mr Trump's allegations either.

    Sitting alongside the FBI director was the other significant figure in the US electronic intelligence gathering community, Mike Rogers of the National Security Agency. Admiral Rogers also spoke frankly of the NSA's frustration with the President's commentary on intelligence matters since his initial tweets in March.

    Asked if the NSA had requested the British agency GCHQ to "wire-tap" Trump Towers on its behalf, Admiral Rogers replied: "No sir. Nor would I — that would be expressly against the construct of the Five Eyes agreement that has been in place for decades."

    The Intelligence Committee hearing has also delivered an official, if guarded, acknowledgement by the FBI that it is in the midst of a thorough investigation into Russian involvement in last year's US election, including any coordination by members of the Trump campaign team.

    "I have been authorised by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian Government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 Presidential election," Mr Comey said. "And that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian Government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts.

    While noting that the investigation was "open, ongoing and is classified" the FBI director refused to say whose conduct was under investigation.

    More here about leaks: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-2...-links/8371516
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    well welcome to the wonderful world of american politics. Remember nixon??

    I dont suppose this stuff happens down under, hey?

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    Thanks Warrie, that did sum it quite well. I watched most of it, when it was broadcasted this morning US time. It was rather interesting and informative about the intelligence community and their processes. I did part watching at the two hour mark as I had to get going, but all in what you posted I did hear and see on TV.

    As far as the lies about Obama, there won't be any apology forth coming we even had another claim from Trump camp that investigators weren't done looking into the Obama connection, though they emphatically said there was nothing there. On the other hand, they are investigating the Trump camp due to a suspicious trail that may or may not lead anywhere, but, seems there's just too much that went on that they can't rule related folks out there yet.
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    Rep. Will Hurd (R-Texas) on Sunday said President Trump should apologize to former President Barack Obama for accusing him of wiretapping Trump Tower.“It never hurts to say you’re sorry,” Hurd told ABC’s “This Week.”
    When pressed on whether Trump should apologize to Obama, Hurd said, “I think so. I think it helps with our allies. We got to make sure that we’re all working together.”


    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...ogize-to-obama
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrigal View Post
    In summary

    • James Comey's testimony before Congress is the first time he has publicly commented on suspicions of Russian links to Trump campaign
    • The FBI director and other officials also denied any wiretap on Trump Tower
    • NSA director Michael Rogers labelled Trump administration's claims of British complicity in alleged surveillance of his campaign as "nonsense".
    I think now that the smoke screen has been blown away we can find out what is going on.
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    We'll never really know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    We'll never really know.
    Never say never...lol..ever hear that before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aeron View Post
    Trump's claims are still made false by that article (that he was spied on during the election).
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    Seems we are being told there was no "legal" surveillance on Trump. There was no "legal" surveillance on the DNC either but they are investigating "illegal" surveillance on the DNC (via way of hacking). You need to pay careful attention to not only what they are saying, but what they are not saying as well. Just because there was no "legal" surveillance on Trump doesn't mean there wasn't "illegal" surveillance on him. And think about this, if the Russians were surveilling the DNC and Clinton(?) and selectively using what they had, what makes you think the didn't do, or at least try, to do the same with Trump?

    There are a lot possibilities besides "legal" surveillance. And what keeps the people that do this from doing it without a piece of paper saying they are allowed to do it? We probably will never know for sure what the heck went on, we aren't necessarily dealing with folks that are hung up on honesty and ethics all the way down the line. The people we see making informed statements may be telling us the truth as they know it because of what they are being told but they may not be being told the whole truth. Many of these folks selectively lie and selectively tell the truth based on whatever.

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    Sure, there was illegal surveillance on Trump, tucked firmly away by the Russians, nothing to do with Obama. Very careful attention was paid to every word at least over my way. But the trump people will always want there to be some dirt there on any one other than Trump. If there hadn't been an issue on the Trump camp, you better be sure this mess would have been put to rest long ago instead they keep deflecting to get the public distracted and confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpwspringer View Post
    Seems we are being told there was no "legal" surveillance on Trump. There was no "legal" surveillance on the DNC either but they are investigating "illegal" surveillance on the DNC (via way of hacking). You need to pay careful attention to not only what they are saying, but what they are not saying as well. Just because there was no "legal" surveillance on Trump doesn't mean there wasn't "illegal" surveillance on him. And think about this, if the Russians were surveilling the DNC and Clinton(?) and selectively using what they had, what makes you think the didn't do, or at least try, to do the same with Trump?

    There are a lot possibilities besides "legal" surveillance. And what keeps the people that do this from doing it without a piece of paper saying they are allowed to do it? We probably will never know for sure what the heck went on, we aren't necessarily dealing with folks that are hung up on honesty and ethics all the way down the line. The people we see making informed statements may be telling us the truth as they know it because of what they are being told but they may not be being told the whole truth. Many of these folks selectively lie and selectively tell the truth based on whatever.
    Yep carefully if not precisely worded answers to either broad or strategic questions. Along with typical hearing posturing complete with speeches and mile long questions.

    Trump blew it right off the bat with the use of "wiretapping" which tells me he and staffers have no tech skills or he was parroting someone else. Wiretapping like in the movies or tv is all but obsolete at this point. Doesn't mean his electronic communications were not monitored officially or unofficially. Trump cowardly also threw Judge Napolitano under the bus when he said they were quoting a Fox news personalty on possible UK involvement. That theory actually has more possibility than most theories out there.

    It's such a mess and mangling of legitimate or trash theories that most will be distracted while other critical issues involving surveillance, privacy, etc get ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruthanne View Post
    I think now that the smoke screen has been blown away we can find out what is going on.
    Well, I'm sorry to say but I think there is an abundant supply of smoke(and mirrors) available in "that" camp.

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    There are two reports on the subject of hacking out there. One claims that hacking costs $445 billion annually and the other claims hacking costs a half million jobs annually. What a shame no one made a big deal out of it until hacking showed that the DNC corrupted their own primary process. Then, naturally, the attention had to be shifted to candidate Trump.

    Yep, scads of smoke and mirrors.

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    I find it interesting that both camps evidently ran such lousy security that they are both willing to suggest that everybody and their brother could and did hack into their systems.

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