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    Here's the thing. We have a sexual predator in the WH. Why? Because we choose him over a qualified stateswoman because people carried on about her being a liar and a nasty woman that outta be in jail! Bottom line? Women are liars. Therefore, we shouldn't believe them. Those women probably came on to poor Bill anyway. He was the victim. They asked for it! He's a father figure. America's beloved Dad! Who you gonna trust? All those lying women or dear old dad? Especially on fathers day!

    BTW, I put a hung jury in the same category as undecided voters. Really? You have no clue to who is lying or who you'd like to win the election? You simply can't decide? It's just too much for you? I have an idea. Either spit or get off the pot. Do your job or don't take on the job to begin with.



    Is anybody really shocked about this verdict? In a country where men, and sadly some women, believe rape is all part of a god's (male god) plan, and that after a sexual attack women's bodies can shut it down if need be?

    We sound and look like a bunch of fools to the rest of the world. No wonder the world is pointing and laughing at us. We are a joke!

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    Pattypan, sadly, I encounter this attitude all too frequently when I work with victims of sexual assault.

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    Shalimar, how can we fix this? Is it even fixable? Women aren't taken seriously. Not even by other women. If Hillary would have called The-Liar-In-Chief a nasty man she would have been labeled a man hater, a b!tch, and a witch. Who can forget how insulting that liar was to Hillary. To be fair he insulted just about everybody but I digress...

    We're such a backward society when it comes to equality for women. It's more than insulting how some Congressmen and Senators talk down to their equals who happen to be women. Well, maybe the women really aren't equal. Perhaps they're a rung or two above their mean spirited male counterparts. lol.

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    It appears that the private Bill Cosby differed greatly from the public one. One a predator who preyed on vulnerable young women and the other America's hero. The jury can't decide which is the real Bill and the fact that many of the women accepted their victimization in an effort to further their career makes judgment even more difficult. Even if he is never legally punished for his actions, history will remember him as a predator and that is probably greater punishment for a public figure.

    Think about O. J. Simpson. In prison he would have probably had hero status but judged 'not guilty' and released, he faced massive public condemnation which would be very hard to bear for one with such a massive ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattypan View Post
    Shalimar, how can we fix this? Is it even fixable? Women aren't taken seriously. Not even by other women. If Hillary would have called The-Liar-In-Chief a nasty man she would have been labeled a man hater, a b!tch, and a witch. Who can forget how insulting that liar was to Hillary. To be fair he insulted just about everybody but I digress...

    We're such a backward society when it comes to equality for women. It's more than insulting how some Congressmen and Senators talk down to their equals who happen to be women. Well, maybe the women really aren't equal. Perhaps they're a rung or two above their mean spirited male counterparts. lol.
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    I hear you Pattypan. It is beyond frustrating. I certainly don't have all the answers, but I believe that education is key, both in and out of the home. I raised a feminist son, who is married to a feminist woman. Many millenials male and female believe as he does, particularly those who are educated. Candian pundits prophecy a sea change here in Canada, due to the fact there are

    now more women attending university than men. Women are also invading the trades. Lol. Women, and the men who support equality on all fronts, must continue to speak out loudly against sexism/ mysogyny/violence against women, wherever they find it. Slowly, negative stereotypes against women are changing. Our prime minister is an avowed feminist, half his cabinet

    are women. Our federal justice minister is an indigenous woman. It is a start. When I first started working as a psychologist, many of the old guard attempted to treat me like a secretary. I stood firm. Now, I am treated as an equal by colleagues, but

    still occasionally run into older men/women who think a woman is too emotional/illogical to cope with the rigors of working with veterans suffering from PTSD.

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    Before we badmouth the jurors, remember that they are bound by the instructions of the judge and the formal jury instructions, and also by the burden of proof (in this case, reasonable doubt). In their deliberations they are bound by law NOT to consider anything outside of the particular case in which they were deliberating. They can think that Cosby is guilty as hell of raping women right and left, but if there is not sufficient evidence in the particular case they are deliberating, they are bound to acquit. If all cannot agree, there's a hung jury.

    This particular case was quite old (13 years) and had initially been investigated and no real evidence was found. The DA back then said so and did not prosecute. The only "new evidence" (not evidence at all) was that a whole bunch of other women said he had done similar things to them. From what I've read about the initial investigation, it was sloppily handled, but the accuser still did not make a report right away. In sexual assault in particular, the cold hard truth is that if the victim waits to report it, any forensic evidence probably has been washed away and unless there are a bunch of eyewitnesses (unlikely), the chance of conviction is dim.

    Under our system, you have to PROVE beyond reasonable doubt that a particular defendant did a particular thing to a particular victim, not that he probably did it to a whole bunch of people and conclude that he probably did it to this victim, too.

    I think Cosby is probably guilty of a whole lot of bad and criminal behavior, but that doesn't change the way the system works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anomaly 73 View Post
    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck...it's probably not a swan.
    Quite true, but that's now jurors have to decide stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quite true, but that's now jurors have to decide stuff.
    In my younger days when some of us would go out for happy hour on Friday evenings I would hear some interesting stories from some of the young honeys I worked with... seems in their eyes there was some status to be gained by what I called "celebrity banging". They would hang out at venues or hotels were visiting professional sports teams were staying. Just saying it isn't always clear what went on or who, if anyone, was a victim in certain situations. The life of a celebrity is so foreign to most of us that we have no clue...

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    Young honeys? @@

    Shalimar, I didn't know your were Canadian. The US likes to brag about being the greatest. But, we're not that great. I've taken some flack on other chat rooms for my thoughts and feelings about my country. We are backward in so many ways. Especially when it comes to equality for women. On one side of the street there are people shouting, "America - right or wrong!" I'm on the other side of the street shouting, "America! Let's right Her wrongs." And never the twain shall meet.

    Your country, as well as many others, are more mature than America. We're still finding our way. At times we're like spoiled two year old children with their fingers stuck in their ears screaming, "I can't hear you!"

    Like the guy taking up space in the White House.

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    I was a pretty young woman once, but I have never been "a young honey." That term is patronising, reductionist, and downright insulting. I yearn for the day when women are judged by the content of their character rather than their appearance.

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    Well said, Shalimar!

    How long will it take??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalimar View Post
    I was a pretty young woman once, but I have never been "a young honey." That term is patronising, reductionist, and downright insulting. I yearn for the day when women are judged by the content of their character rather than their appearance.
    Just what is it that YOU think the term "young honey" means that you think is so insulting and that I am so awful for using it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattypan View Post
    Well said, Shalimar!

    How long will it take??
    Far too long! Actually, among my son's millenial generation, many men would never speak that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpwspringer View Post
    Just what is it that YOU think the term "young honey" means that you think is so insulting and that I am so awful for using it?
    I don't think you are an aweful person. I think you mean well. You may well believe your words are complimentary, I don't. Why? Because it labels a woman by her looks. For many of us who have struggled to be taken seriously in the

    business/professional world, being pretty was not an advantage. When I first received my Doctorate, and began practicing as a clinical psychologist, my petite, doll-like appearance was a hindrance more often than not, particularly among some of my older

    male colleagues. They had difficulty seeing me as a doctor first, a woman second. In their minds, I could not be both pretty and qualified. That stigma is shrinking, but still exists, particularly in the scientific community.

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