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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalimar View Post
    Rape is consensual? Wow. Further conversation is futile. I shall take a deep breath and invoke the ignore function.
    Sorry. I didn't read anything about rape or force being used. The word assault could mean anything.
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    Whether or not a woman is incapacitated whether it is by her actions (drank herself into a stupor) or whether the male administers a drug to her, the fact remains that the male has the decision whether or not to proceed with intercourse. If, in this day and age, a man is unable to control his urges to copulate, he should not be out in society. Some people are suggesting that the poor decisions of the female somehow excuse the male's decision to penetrate her without her consent, which is absurd. It is not unlike suggesting that a male who flashes a wad of money around in public is himself somehow responsible for the fact that he is robbed of that money because he made the poor decision to flash it around in public, which is also absurd.

    The shooting and killing of an unconscious person is no less murder, so why is the sexual assault of an unconscious person any less rape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Whether or not a woman is incapacitated whether it is by her actions (drank herself into a stupor) or whether the male administers a drug to her, the fact remains that the male has the decision whether or not to proceed with intercourse. If, in this day and age, a man is unable to control his urges to copulate, he should not be out in society. Some people are suggesting that the poor decisions of the female somehow excuse the male's decision to penetrate her without her consent, which is absurd. It is not unlike suggesting that a male who flashes a wad of money around in public is himself somehow responsible for the fact that he is robbed of that money because he made the poor decision to flash it around in public, which is also absurd.

    The shooting and killing of an unconscious person is no less murder, so why is the sexual assault of an unconscious person any less rape?
    So a woman is excused any and all frailties, including,(I loved and admired him),to allowing herself to become intoxicated to the point that her actions are involuntary? Come on thats ridiculous.
    If I ask you to smuggle a kilo of coke across a border,it is not my fault that you are so easily manipulated because you"love"me, or you worshipped me. Does not make me a nice guy, but a criminal no.

    Sorry, no one but yourself is responsible for your own chastity and safety.

    At what point is the male considered to be so intoxicated or impaired that his lack of judgement can be excused? Ever?

    Once again woman seem to be depending on some level of paternalistic guardianship which once again make them, the "weaker" sex.

    Again I will emphasize that I am talking about self intoxication, not being slipped a Mickey, which on any level is inexcusable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Whether or not a woman is incapacitated whether it is by her actions (drank herself into a stupor) or whether the male administers a drug to her, the fact remains that the male has the decision whether or not to proceed with intercourse. If, in this day and age, a man is unable to control his urges to copulate, he should not be out in society. Some people are suggesting that the poor decisions of the female somehow excuse the male's decision to penetrate her without her consent, which is absurd. It is not unlike suggesting that a male who flashes a wad of money around in public is himself somehow responsible for the fact that he is robbed of that money because he made the poor decision to flash it around in public, which is also absurd.

    The shooting and killing of an unconscious person is no less murder, so why is the sexual assault of an unconscious person any less rape?
    Would said it wasn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robusta View Post
    So a woman is excused any and all frailties, including,(I loved and admired him),to allowing herself to become intoxicated to the point that her actions are involuntary? Come on thats ridiculous.
    If I ask you to smuggle a kilo of coke across a border,it is not my fault that you are so easily manipulated because you"love"me, or you worshipped me. Does not make me a nice guy, but a criminal no.

    Sorry, no one but yourself is responsible for your own chastity and safety.

    At what point is the male considered to be so intoxicated or impaired that his lack of judgement can be excused? Ever?

    Once again woman seem to be depending on some level of paternalistic guardianship which once again make them, the "weaker" sex.

    Again I will emphasize that I am talking about self intoxication, not being slipped a Mickey, which on any level is inexcusable.
    The difference in your first scenario, the one about the coke, is that the woman makes the final decision to do the act herself, whether misguided or misled. The criminal act of smuggling the coke is something she undertakes to do. And no, her lack of judgment in this case cannot be excused.

    The woman cannot undertake to rape herself. Rape is a criminal act which the male undertakes against the woman, and no, his lack of judgment in this case cannot be excused, either. Rape is always a crime, getting falling down drunk isn't, and it most assuredly not an invitation to rape.

    In my experience, if the male is so intoxicated or impaired as to not know the difference between rape and consensual sex, he probably isn't able to perform, either.

    If a male gets intoxicated or impaired, would that excuse another male from sexually assaulting him? No. We all have the right to be secure in our persons, and the law recognizes that.

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    it's different with men than women.

    Just because of men's nature.

    However, I can't begin to tell you how many times I was too dumb to realize the female approaching me was looking for 'fun' and I was too stupid to realize it. Maybe it worked out o.k. because women can play me like a fiddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camper6 View Post
    it's different with men than women.

    Just because of men's nature.

    However, I can't begin to tell you how many times I was too dumb to realize the female approaching me was looking for 'fun' and I was too stupid to realize it. Maybe it worked out o.k. because women can play me like a fiddle.
    Exactly how do you mean it's different with men than with women? do you mean it is different for a man to be sexually assaulted than it is for a woman? Or do you mean that it's different because you believe men don't have the strength to control their urges? Or do you believe men shouldn't have to?

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    They have the strength, some just don't want to, and hide behind the old excuse- "but we're men"!
    So what?
    That doesn't float anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Exactly how do you mean it's different with men than with women? do you mean it is different for a man to be sexually assaulted than it is for a woman? Or do you mean that it's different because you believe men don't have the strength to control their urges? Or do you believe men shouldn't have to?
    No. It's just that men by their very nature are 'predators' to women if you want to call it that because without men being the agressor the human population would have died out years ago.

    Yep. Men have to control their urges and those urges are presented to them every day so to speak.

    How about women? Give me your experience. I'm interested. It seems to me that women simply do not understand the sexual urge in men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadishRose View Post
    They have the strength, some just don't want to, and hide behind the old excuse- "but we're men"!
    So what?
    That doesn't float anymore.
    Wow! So as long as I am sober enough to perform,you are saddling me with being the one required to make a rational decision.

    I guess that the only way I could ever have casual pick up sex is if I have a written notarized letter of consent.

    You do understand that the words, "No I don't want to do this" or some equally clear language must be used. Or am I in my own drunken state supposed to accurately measure your level of passion or passivity.

    I have no idea of how strong a womans sex drive may be, but let me tell you, Do not sit an 18 or 20 year old male down at the table, especially with mind altering substances involved,serve the first course, and then put the entrée back in the freezer. Neither of you will be happy.

    You cannot deny that millions, probably billions of women have had consensual relations, and had post coitis change of heart and have spent the rest of their lives telling their "rape" story.

    Rape is an horrible crime, and I know of no one that endorses or approves of it.

    Just say NO loudly and unequivocally,,

    I am really not an asshole, I just don't like being played.

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