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Trump Halts Obama's Military Transgender Agenda...from a Woman's Perspective

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnthomas View Post
    Thanks for the fear mongering, far-right Obama smearing, reality twisting "news" link.
    Precisely. Exactly why Mr. Trump started this to begin with. First, to get attention. Second, to change the subject from things like Russian interference, financial disclosures, conflict of interest.

    And finally....keep stirring the pot, keep everyone fighting and arguing, and paranoid about gov't conspiracies, instead of talking about jobs, health care, infrastructure, Korea, Syria, etc.

    This is a manipulative technique one can learn in junior high if you hang with the wrong crowd, and it becomes part of your MO when you grow up.

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    You folks are so totally misguided about Trump and the wasted taxes.

    Taxes spent for gender change is a year off duty and some amount for doctors, hospitals, recovery efforts, for a personal reason, nothing forcing them to do this. Discharge and let them worry about it. Do not waste our military budget on this nonsense.

    All this hullabaloo about Trump wasting so much money on visits to Florida property. He is still plugged into the WH activities, can't get away from that at all. No matter where he goes there is the small army of secret service folks that must and do follow him. And that would be in DC or where ever. Obama spent many weekends, and likely many days, on the local and where ever golf courses to improve his game. Never heard any complaints about that did we. Same army of secret security as for Trump.

    Far too much of this wasted tax money and often due to the Congress that has become so corrupt that they all need to be replaced.

    So if you think it is OK to waste money on gender change then I suppose you also think it is OK for our Congress to continue to waste our taxes on unneeded welfare and health care programs. They are part of our major debt claims. You can not just select one or two items to prove I am wrong as I use the national debt charts where welfare and debt are big numbers.

    Look to 'Health and Human Services' our highest costs and compare it to 'Department of Defense'.

    http://www.federalbudget.com/


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    Just how many of those welfare programs that help keep food on people's tables and roofs over their heads would you consider "unneeded," Bob?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Just how many of those welfare programs that help keep food on people's tables and roofs over their heads would you consider "unneeded," Bob?
    Well, I don't know any number to give you as this is a tricky question. Some want all needs given and others do not.

    I will post again that Bill Clinton had studies done and found that for some three generations there were folks playing the governments welfare system and never had to work. He had programs devised to end that style of living and forced folks to find work and after so many months or years those welfare items would be shut down. An incentive to the sit on your butt folks to get active. Not sure what happened to those rules of Pres Clinton but it appears that living off welfare is once again OK.

    This is a sad situation for all. Making it a career to live off welfare is bad for the remainder of the US population. It is a ripoff. It is theft.

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    Transgender or not, the blood of all soldiers is red ,and transgender soldiers die fighting for the country they believe in just like non-transgender soldiers do.
    Family's also grieve for them.
    If they are risking their lives for their country should not their country also believe in, and fight for them?

    I'm thankful that in the U.K. this isn't an issue.
    For the record, I have been in the military and I am also Transgender.
    I would point out also that being Transgender covers a wide-spectrum, we do not all want to change sex, and believing that Trans-people join the military just to get help with the change is absurd.
    The sex-change, even today, is one of the most dangerous, life-threatening surgeries you can endure , very often it is a life or death situation that some individuals do not survive. You don't hear about the ones who die under the knife, though do you, that isn't news is it ?
    That is why we have our own Transgender Day of Remembrance.
    There are also "biological women" in the Military who do want a sex-change from Female to Male , so are other " biological women "equally offended by their presence in the Military?

    It is not my intention to be contentious, but some things I am not prepared to stay silent over. I just want to set the record straight here. We are human beings just like the rest of you - we have our failings and we have our virtues.
    We are not aliens from beyond and we are not aiming to take over the planet .
    Give us a break will you?
    Before you sit in judgement of other people whose only crime is to be different,try and " walk a mile in their shoes "

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    Trump has been accused of misdirection over this but isn't that what some of you are doing by suggesting it is all about Tax?
    Did those who present that evasive argument actually read the title of this thread ?
    I believe it includes Transgender Agenda and ...a Woman's Perspective.
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    Thanks LinuxCat, for sharing your unique insight into this issue.

    When I was growing up the common view, including that of scientists, was that there were only two genders - Male (XY) and Female (XX). Then we began to hear about children born with ambiguous outward gender characteristics. Some children were labelled hermaphrodites. With advances in genetics more variations on the basic theme were discovered. I have a granddaughter whose genome is XXX and some males are XYY. Now it is recognised that genetics alone do not determine gender because the brain has a lot to do with how a person identifies as either male or female, or something else. I suspect that we still don't know all there is to know about gender.

    Getting used to the variations without having a freak out will take a bit of time for some but as time goes on, with the benefit of hindsight, this discussion will seem to be rather ignorant. Amongst the young it already does.
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    Trump is the Commander in Chief and can issue Executive Orders. Outside of tweeting what has he done about the situation? Well, what has he done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzybuddy View Post
    Trump is the Commander in Chief and can issue Executive Orders. Outside of tweeting what has he done about the situation? Well, what has he done?
    I say he has done enough to bring the subject up and that means the military will need to address it in someway in their rules and regulations.

    Trump has done what all Presidents are expected to do and that is to bring up subjects that some in the public are concerned about. There was no comments about ending or encouraging sex discrimination in the services. As I read the topic it was about changing sex on the governments dollar. No right as those tax dollars are for the defense of the US and not for sex changes. They are already doing that with one of our treasonous prisoners and to me that is totally wrong on the basics. Defensive dollars being wasted on a prisoner of our military system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinuxCat View Post
    Before you sit in judgement of other people whose only crime is to be different,try and " walk a mile in their shoes "
    Thanks for your post, LinuxCat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyNGA View Post
    Precisely. Exactly why Mr. Trump started this to begin with. First, to get attention. Second, to change the subject from things like Russian interference, financial disclosures, conflict of interest.

    And finally....keep stirring the pot, keep everyone fighting and arguing, and paranoid about gov't conspiracies, instead of talking about jobs, health care, infrastructure, Korea, Syria, etc.

    This is a manipulative technique one can learn in junior high if you hang with the wrong crowd, and it becomes part of your MO when you grow up.
    Right on.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyNGA View Post
    Precisely. Exactly why Mr. Trump started this to begin with. First, to get attention. Second, to change the subject from things like Russian interference, financial disclosures, conflict of interest.

    And finally....keep stirring the pot, keep everyone fighting and arguing, and paranoid about gov't conspiracies, instead of talking about jobs, health care, infrastructure, Korea, Syria, etc.

    This is a manipulative technique one can learn in junior high if you hang with the wrong crowd, and it becomes part of your MO when you grow up.
    Trump would love to talk about jobs, especially since more are working now than before he took the Presidency.

    Most of this stuff about Russians and government conspiracies come from the Democrat hard losers, not from Trump.

    Health care? We have two party's in our government that just refuse to get off their butts and start to working together to solve any of the many problems the US has. Why is that? It might be that both sides have decided to make everything a political issue rather than decide to sit down and find a common sense solution. Both Democrats and Republicans need to shed their political nonsense that won't do the people any good and start to working together as our Congress is meant to work per the Constitution. Those folks are there to voice their electors wants and needs and do not represent political parities and those political ideas ever.

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    The military should never be used for social engineering experiments. If a civilian situation is intolerable you can quit and leave. In the military that gets you a trip to the brig for desertion. I know because one time had the job of delivering a man to the brig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobF View Post
    I say he has done enough to bring the subject up and that means the military will need to address it in someway in their rules and regulations.

    Trump has done what all Presidents are expected to do and that is to bring up subjects that some in the public are concerned about. There was no comments about ending or encouraging sex discrimination in the services. As I read the topic it was about changing sex on the governments dollar. No right as those tax dollars are for the defense of the US and not for sex changes. They are already doing that with one of our treasonous prisoners and to me that is totally wrong on the basics. Defensive dollars being wasted on a prisoner of our military system.
    The prez didn't say anything about changing sex on the government's dollar. What he said was that trans people would not be allowed to serve in the armed forces. BIG difference.

    I don't believe the prez should "do" anything about it. The only test for a military member should be whether or not he or she can do his or her job and serve the country with honor. Anything else is bigotry.

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    Thank you Butterfly ,for clarifying everything.
    You are absolutely correct.
    Trump wants to ban Trans people from the military - the " expense " of sex-change was always a red-herring to disguise his own prejudices. The fact of that has already been exposed with the revelation that Viagra was being supplied to the Military at greater cost.

    I realise Transgenderism has become a contentious and confusing issue for many " normal " people. I understand that to a certain extent, but the premise of this thread has been confusing from the beginning.
    A thread about the Military should deal with facts , not prejudices .
    People who serve are People who serve.

    If the Transgender element is an issue I am more than willing to create a thread explaining what Transgenderism is and what it isn't.
    I actually agree that sex-change operations should not be funded from the Military budget but neither should Viagra.
    What ever happened to the Bromide-brigade?
    Perhaps this is P.C. also , i.e. it may be considered discriminatory to suppress the sexual urge via Bromide but considered a human right for all men to have a woody when charging into battle?

    p.s. In regard to my statement about Sex-change funding from the Military budget , I would like to point out that the main reason Bradley Manning's change is being funded is because of his imprisonment during a period when his transtition had already begun and reached a point where it was dangerous to stop.
    I am not going to go in to the in's and out's of sex-change, I'll just have to ask you to trust me on that one. Bradley Manning's case is , or at least should be, an exception.
    I am also aware that one or two people have tried to manipulate the laws regarding this while in the Military, but where that has happened it should be obvious and the individuals removed from the service.
    If you join the Military it should be for the purpose of serving your Country - end of!

    P.P.S. Questioning the spending of " the Government's Dollar" is not a valid argument on any level. The Government of any Nation does not have any money , it only takes control of the Nation's wealth.
    The Government's Dollar was not only created by Donald trump but by all members of the services regardless of orientation who have not only contributed taxes towards the creation of the National wealth but also through active service have ensured that Businesses and Individuals in Democratic Nations remain safe to continue to generate that wealth.
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