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If you were in the service, do you consider yourself a "Vet"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnthomas View Post
    Yea, I was left handed(still am!) and had hot shells grazing my right cheek.

    I got the sharpshooter's badge, missed Expert by 4 points, too bad, was dealing with a bad head & chest cold.



    That head & chest cold got flushed out good by the visit to the gas warfare range, and the gas chamber.

    CS gas is a great remedy for head & chest colds, they should bottle some up and sell it at CVS Pharmacy.
    At Fort Knox as MP in 1974. Basic trainee while firing M-16 left handed from firing pit on "automatic" had a hot casing go down his neck. He jerked up and around and hit a drill sergeant seven times. Drill sergeant had two tours in Nam as a grunt and got taken out by a basic trainee. Very sad.

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    When I am made KING everyone will serve two years. Everyone! No more "Fortunate Son" (Donald Trump being excellent example). And if you refuse to carry a weapon you will do two years of public service.
    I don't expect to be made King anytime soon.

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    I note that the french are seriously considering national conscription for a period of no less than 2 years. Personally I think this is a good idea - gets the young off the streets and given some solid training; skill development and for some maketh the man! there's nothing wrong with conscription IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGM View Post
    At Fort Knox as MP in 1974. Basic trainee while firing M-16 left handed from firing pit on "automatic" had a hot casing go down his neck. He jerked up and around and hit a drill sergeant seven times. Drill sergeant had two tours in Nam as a grunt and got taken out by a basic trainee. Very sad.
    Please enlighten me. What is a 'grunt'. According to the English/Oxford dictionary it is ,Quote. 'A low short gruff noise' 'A variety of tropical fish'

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    I enlisted for three years (1970-1973) in the Navy. According to my DD 214 and honorable discharge papers, I am a veteran. I had a discussion about this recently when someone was bragging he was a Vietnam veteran and his time was spent aboard an aircraft carrier in the Atlantic or on the base in Florida. I told him he was a Vietnam era veteran but not a Vietnam veteran unless he actually served in that country. I always felt that one shouldn't say Korean war veteran, WW2 veteran etc. unless they actually served in combat otherwise it should just be Army veteran (or whatever branch of service) because time was served while a war was going on. I consider myself a Navy veteran. That's just my opinion though. I am still in touch with high school classmates who continue to suffer the ill effects of serving in Nam-something I never had to experience so out of respect for them, they are the Vietnam veterans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justfred View Post
    Please enlighten me. What is a 'grunt'. According to the English/Oxford dictionary it is ,Quote. 'A low short gruff noise' 'A variety of tropical fish'
    I served with some Marines who were referred to as grunts. As far as I could tell it was the lowest people in the unit, infantryman, someone who did all the "grunt" work in the dirt and mud.

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    And that is why grunts hate POGs. The term grunt used to refer to just Infantry and later to combat arms soldiers in the Army. A POG (Person Other than Grunt) is everyone else.
    I personally never heard the term "POGS". We always called them "rear echelon commandos".
    I saw an interesting show on AHC a few months ago. It explained how in WW2 there were so many more support troops than there were actual combatants. Very enlightening.

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    Yes, I am a Veteran (U.S. Army, 1970 - 1978).
    "What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable. This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged." (https://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/). Don...

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    I'm a vet. 1968-1975 Army. 68-70 tour in Vietnam 199th Infantry. No regrets... well, maybe one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justfred View Post
    Please enlighten me. What is a 'grunt'. According to the English/Oxford dictionary it is ,Quote. 'A low short gruff noise' 'A variety of tropical fish'
    This is a grunt in Vietnam. We never knew why we were called that, we just loaded our gear and did what we were ordered to do.
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    I was a Navy man, but I always believed that "grunt" and "dogface" meant the same, ie an infantryman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justfred View Post
    We must also remember the men of Britain,s RAF Bomber Command. Of 125,000 men 55,573 lost their lives, 8,403 were wounded and 9,838 were taken as POWs These brave men also did their bit towards 'saving the world'
    Absolutely positively I agree with you Sir

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    I was an Air Force Combat Controller for six years, six months, and 15 days from '66 to '73. I've always said that the military was the only job I ever had that got up every morning and looked forward to going to work. I loved the adventures I had. Nobody needs to thank me for my service. I don't stand when they ask for veterans to stand. I never take any freebees from businesses on Veteran's Day. Heck, I don't leave the house on Veteran's Day. The only welfare benefits I've ever taken for my military time was the GI bill. I've thought of paying that back.

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    This was taken before I made Ssgt. I was part of an eleven man team who had just placed second in the 1968 Ft. Bragg Labor Day Leapfest.
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    Nothing to be ashamed of for being in service. Except those barrettes. Never liked them and probably never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzybuddy View Post
    [...]If you were in the service, do you consider yourself a "Vet"?

    I know that this is an old thread and others have answered the question in the OP, but I just finished reading through the thread and enjoyed the stories and discussions and pictures. To respond to the question in the OP, Wikipedia says:


    "A military veteran is a person who has served and is no longer serving in the armed forces. Those veterans that have had direct exposure to acts of military conflict may also be referred to as war veterans (although not all military conflicts, or areas in which armed combat takes place, are necessarily referred to as wars). A combat veteran is a person who has fought in combat during a war or a skirmish against a declared enemy and may still be serving in the military."

    I'm a Vietnam vet but not a combat vet. I enlisted in the Marines in 1974 and got sent over to Vietnam in '75 for the final act of the war: the Fall of Saigon and Operation Frequent Wind (the evacuation of Saigon). Even though the US wasn't involved in the hostilities, the US still had a military presence in Vietnam and Vietnam was technically still a war zone, so I received a couple ribbons on my chest just for showing up. But ultimately I was in a non-combat role, sitting around watching history being made.

    A year afterwards, in 1976, I also spent six months camped out on the Korean DMZ. Apparently that makes me a Korean War veteran as well. At the end of the Korean War in 1953 the two sides never signed a peace treaty; they only signed an an armistice (a cease-fire) and set up the demilitarized zone (DMZ) to mark the dividing line. According to some authorities, the two Koreas are technically still at war. So it's my understanding that any US military person assigned to duty in South Korea technically becomes a Korean War vet. When I was a member of the VFW, the VFW officially credited me with being a veteran of two wars - Korea and Vietnam.

    Again, that's what I was told about Korea, though I was a little fuzzy on the details.

    Anyway, returning to the subject of Vietnam: Since the 70s I have been proud of my Vietnam vet status. But I'm always quick to add that I'm not a combat vet: US participation in the hostilities in Vietnam had ceased long before I showed up in 1975. Mainly, I like identifying as a Vietnam vet because it links me to a certain time period and mindset: It says that I'm an old-style Cold War-era dinosaur. I like that, because that's the era I grew up in and identify with.

    On the other hand, I never really bragged about my status as a Korean War vet. Again, I was always a little fuzzy about the details on that one.
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