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    Apparently most religions believe in the Afterlife. I donít know as much about religion. Itís something I wish Iíd taken in school while I had the chance. Today, on Dr. Oz I learned that even the Jewish believe in reincarnation. It was news to me.

    Its interesting that most religions believe in it but not many want to admit it or talk about it.
    A while back, Keesha, you said the above. I just wanted to point out that the more modern religions do not necessarily believe in an afterlife. I know, you said most, not all, but I just wanted to put in a
    word for Unitarianism, Ethical Culture, Humanism, etc. I'm not even sure about Judaism. The word for heaven is often used in Jewish prayers, but I don't think there is the same emphasis on rewards/
    punishments, an afterlife, etc. as there is in Christianity.

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    Unitarian or Universalists are a "liberal religion" that accepts everyone's belief no matter what it is from all over the world. They say in a statement that many of the members believe there is no afterlife and many leave it as an open question. Most don't believe in Judgement Day but some do they say.

    It sounds a little like mass confusion rather than a gathering of like-minded individuals. The only thing "like-minded" about them is that they accept all "unlike-minded" individuals into their group....which is fine but not a religion imo.

    Ethical Culture and Humanism are not religions and really not worth arguing over either.

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    I suppose I am hopeful. I have often thought this life was the hell we read about and were condemned to this existance from another life. Maybe it is just as well if death ended it all.

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    rgp, I do not see your responses as rude. I believe you spoke from your heart your truth. What I saw/read that came across to me was anger, battling against a belief that upsets you. But why battle against what you don't believe in anyway? You believe in what you believe in, and I believe in the opposite of what you believe in. So it is. "Let not your heart be troubled."

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    drifter, as I heard Andy Stanley say: (Paraphrasing) "I'm not afraid of going to Heaven, I just don't wanna do what you have to do to get there.....die. lol (Andy is the son of Rev. Charles Stanley.)

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    Lara, you may have a point about humanism not being a religion as opposed to a social philosophy. But you are wrong about Ethical Culture, which most definitely is a religion. Here is one definition I found:

    Ethical Culture is a religion centered on ethics, not theology, whose mission is to encourage respect for humanity and nature and to create a better world. Members are committed to personal ethical development in their relationships with others and in activities involving social justice and environmental stewardship.

    Unitarian-Universalism is certainly not as you described. It is a beautiful, life-encompassing religion, with churches and fellowships, ministers, weekly services, study groups, music, choirs, etc. In fact, it pretty
    much follows a Protestant model of service, although it does not have a creed or "official belief" that is mandated. That is what makes it a modern religion, IMO. People are not told what to believe, but are encouraged to search for their own meaning in life.

    It is certainly not the hodgepodge you describe; there are many common areas of belief. Someone who actually believes "sinners" go to "hell" would probably not join a UU church. Though they would certainly provide some lively discussion groups!

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    My opinion has no importance, so I will refer to scripture's account of what happens at death, for that is God's Word, and I embrace it.

    Luke 16 has an interesting account of the beggar named Lazarus at the gate who died and went to Abraham's bosom (a reference to heaven), having been carried by angels. (that's a very comforting thought - for not only do we go immediately into God's presence, we have an escort!)

    Later in the chapter a rich man who had enjoyed all of life's riches, but ignored the needs of others, found himself being tormented in another place. He wanted Lazarus to dip his finger in water and touch the tip of his tongue. But Abraham said that there was a great gulf, and no one could move from one side to the other.

    This is a stunning proclamation for me, and I know that there may be some scoffing, but the bible explains that those who belong to God's kingdom have been able to "span the bridge" by having faith in Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunny View Post
    A while back, Keesha, you said the above. I just wanted to point out that the more modern religions do not necessarily believe in an afterlife. I know, you said most, not all, but I just wanted to put in a
    word for Unitarianism, Ethical Culture, Humanism, etc. I'm not even sure about Judaism. The word for heaven is often used in Jewish prayers, but I don't think there is the same emphasis on rewards/
    punishments, an afterlife, etc. as there is in Christianity.
    I did not know this. Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunny View Post
    Lara, you may have a point about humanism not being a religion as opposed to a social philosophy....But you are wrong about Ethical Culture, which most definitely is a religion....Unitarian-Universalism is certainly not as you described...
    Like I said, it's not worth discussing whether Ethic Culture is a religion or not. Some say Po-TA-toes and some say Po-ta-toes. Everyone agrees it's not important enough to argue.

    My thoughts on the Unitarian church were based on their online statement I read just prior to my posting AND on my real-life visit there listening to a sermon of only current events & politics, void of any biblical inspiration. I was expecting Inter-denominational and instead found it was Non-denominational as was listed in the yellow pages (yes, it was a while ago lol). It was cold. So much for them being accepting of everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elsie View Post
    rgp, I do not see your responses as rude. I believe you spoke from your heart your truth. What I saw/read that came across to me was anger, battling against a belief that upsets you. But why battle against what you don't believe in anyway? You believe in what you believe in, and I believe in the opposite of what you believe in. So it is. "Let not your heart be troubled."

    Well first, thank you for the clarification. However, with respect it was not anger either, I just tend to speak very profoundly .

    Example here...you said "Let not your heart be troubled."....I believe you mean that as blessing?...Thanks again. But...ya see too me the heart is a muscle that pumps blood...period.

    When people start touting the praises of scripture . I think of what I see around me, and i cannot share those praises. As such I rebuff them...profoundly.

    If I have offended you,...I apologize , as it was not my intent....I believe I denounced scripture....which was my intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgp View Post
    ...you said "Let not your heart be troubled."....I believe you mean that as blessing?...Thanks again. But...ya see too me the heart is a muscle that pumps blood...period.
    When people relate heart to love or feelings, NO one takes "heart" as a literal organ pumping blood. You must not have gotten the memo . That's okay, we all still heart you, rgp


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    Quote Originally Posted by rgp View Post
    Can you prove afterlife?.....

    Exhumation has proven time & time again, that after a certain amount of time, we are no more than a collection of bones in a box. That is fact.
    Ok. What is this certain amount of time you speak of?
    I’d really like to know?

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    rpg, what I detest being told is, "Think positive. Be glad you don't have something worse... blah blah. But I do find comfort in asking God to help me get through some distress. I get through them, but I don't always think I did because God helped me. But I do believe He gave me the endurance to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keesha View Post
    Ok. What is this certain amount of time you speak of?
    Iíd really like to know?
    That would depend on the burial itself. In the old pine box as it were,it comes much more quickly. The body decays , more rapidly, the bones are all that remains.

    In modern burial, the decaying process is slowed due to [primarily] the tighter seal of the gasket / coffin. But in the end over enough time bones are all that remain.

    Hence the term, our 'remains'.

    Exact years, months, weeks, days, hours ?...I do not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lara View Post
    When people relate heart to love or feelings, NO one takes "heart" as a literal organ pumping blood. You must not have gotten the memo . That's okay, we all still heart you, rgp


    Ah but ya see I do.....I do not relate love or feelings to the heart. Those are functions of mind. But I do appreciate the kind sentiment still the same.

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