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    Cenegenics: Scam or Legitimate?

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    If you watch any television at all, chances are good that you've seen a Cenegenics commercial in the last few months. They've been on a massive advertising campaign to get new members into their program, and after checking out their site, downloading their brochure and doing some fact-checking I just wondered if anyone else had checked them out.

    Basically they are an "aging management" business (not an "anti-aging" one, as has sometimes been claimed). Their goal is to provide concierge service to members through extensive medical testing, nutritional and exercise prescriptions and, most controversially, the administration of steroidal / hormonal compounds.

    Their theory is that as we age we may make rudimentary attempts at maintaining health, but until now we've only gone about it in a slip-shod manner. They offer to take over the reigns and guide you through a regimen that they claim has proven successful in re-vitalizing their senior members.

    This is only a "scratching-the-surface" attempt at explaining what they're all about, so if you're interested visit their website, download their brochure (PDF format) and decide for yourself.

    One thing that is NOT mentioned anywhere is the price. My research turned up a few numbers: approx. $4,000 for the initial rounds of testing (for which you have to visit one of their centers for 2 or 3 days), followed by monthly maintenance costs (prescriptions, testing, etc.) of around $1,000-$1,500. It's not cheap, certainly, and it might explain why so many of their members are doctors, but what price health?

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    Good grief. My grandpa's attitude towards life was: Chin up and carry on. Why do we need to be looked after all the time? Why can't we be left alone? We are going to die anyways. So, a little peace and quiet along the way is my preference. My suggestion is that they go and look after people who really need it - such as the poor in third world countries. But, ooops, I almost forgot, those folks don't have any money to pay this company for their services. So, this company is just looking for a market. That is all it is.

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    I didn't know about this wonderful program, these folks are a God-send! How generous of them to help us old people get organized and take care of ourselves, with our brains being so scattered, we're hopeless on our own, really, let's just admit it. What a blessing...they can lead me to not only to become a physically healthier human being, but one who's also complete mentally and emotionally.

    I would happily use any steroids or hormones that these fine folks recommend, they seem to sincerely have nothing but my health in mind. I put my faith in them to make the best senior life for me that I can possible have. Thank goodness some of their members are doctors, I have complete confidence that I will be given all the special drugs needed to turn my life around, these people are experts with prescription medications.

    $4,000 is such a small price to pay to be taken under their wing and shown the 'right' way to do things. I'm sure any additional fees are a bargain, even if expensive, you know...you get what you pay for! You won't have to worry about dying from fat wallet disease anymore either...S..C..A..M..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elzee View Post
    Good grief. My grandpa's attitude towards life was: Chin up and carry on. Why do we need to be looked after all the time? Why can't we be left alone? We are going to die anyways. So, a little peace and quiet along the way is my preference. My suggestion is that they go and look after people who really need it - such as the poor in third world countries. But, ooops, I almost forgot, those folks don't have any money to pay this company for their services. So, this company is just looking for a market. That is all it is.
    Well, it IS a service business, so I suppose they DO have the right to expect people to pay for that service. They aren't a non-profit charity group, so I don't really see that they have to go to a third-world country where the chief problem is not decreasing testosterone but increasing political upheaval.

    I agree with the "looking after" part - we seem to have largely become a society that needs cradle-to-grave nannying.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBreeze View Post
    I didn't know about this wonderful program, these folks are a God-send! How generous of them to help us old people get organized and take care of ourselves, with our brains being so scattered, we're hopeless on our own, really, let's just admit it. What a blessing...they can lead me to not only to become a physically healthier human being, but one who's also complete mentally and emotionally.

    I would happily use any steroids or hormones that these fine folks recommend, they seem to sincerely have nothing but my health in mind. I put my faith in them to make the best senior life for me that I can possible have. Thank goodness some of their members are doctors, I have complete confidence that I will be given all the special drugs needed to turn my life around, these people are experts with prescription medications.

    $4,000 is such a small price to pay to be taken under their wing and shown the 'right' way to do things. I'm sure any additional fees are a bargain, even if expensive, you know...you get what you pay for! You won't have to worry about dying from fat wallet disease anymore either...S..C..A..M..
    Quote Originally Posted by TWHRider View Post
    What Seabreeze said
    Ladies, excuse me while I go and change into some dry clothes - it seems Sea's dripping sarcasm has soaked me.

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    Ladies and gentlemen,

    I have read a lot of ignorant sarcasm in discussing Cenegenics. This company practices age management , not age organization and they are not a nanny service. What they are doing is Bio-Identical hormone Relacement therapy. Before you roll your eyes and speak with a uneducated , closed mind you should know what this actually is. They do a very lengthy and compley blood screening. Something a lot more comprehensive than your Family Doctor would ever do. When we get older certain things happen and our bodies naturally stop making things like estrogen, testosterone, HGH and many other things. The blood test results show them where the deficiencies are and where somethings are too high. They look at your comprehensive health and how it all works together. They measure thyroid function, vitamin levels, cardiac function, many key indicators to possible future healh issues that can be proactively corrected. Once they get this "Full Health picture" , they correct the imbalances by perscribing theraputic amounts of things your body naturally produces and needs and helps counteract and issues found. Your diet is even changed in a lot of instances. They really take a comprehensive look at your health and put things back to where they should be. Oh, and no "steriods". thats just silly. The only steriod would be testosterone, something you need anyway. I have been under the care of an age management Dr for a couple years now. I look and feel years younger. My wife is doing this with me and she has equally good results. I am 45 so maybe not as old as some of you on here but I started on this therapy and got back into the gym. I initially lost 30 pounds and then gained muscle because I am on a high protein diet and the testosterone helps build muscle. I have very low "T" as they say on TV and my Dr never caught it. My level shoul dhave been 600+ and I was at 75..very low. Just balancing your Testosterone back to where it needs to be will activate your metabolism , help muscles , give you energy and make you geel great. I am now in better shape than when I was 25. Now, I was very athletic and played college football but my bosy had gone downhill a lot. Now, I can outrun my 20 year old son and my bench press is around 400. Not bad for a 45 year old. I am muscular and have ab muscles. Sexual appetite and function is beck to where it was in my 20's, my skin looks years younger and I am in great health because its monitored closely. So, call it a scam all you want but it works and it does great things for your health. yes, its a bit pricy but Cenegenics is more expensive than most. I paid a total of around $1,000 to get started (including the bloood test). So $4,000 is high. I suggest looking around. This has been the best thing I have ever done. My father in law told me about it, he has been doing it for years. He is 65 and looks 50, acts younger and says he feels like a 30 year old. he is extremely active. I am a believer and have personal experience to back it up. I can honesly say, this is real science and not a scam. Like anything just do your homework and look for better deals. By the way, I am told all the time that I look 35 and younger women constantly flirt with me...I go to the beach, take off my shirt and look better than most. My kids are amazed and my wife is extremely happy . So people like seabreeze can be negative all they want. I guarentee that if I was sitting next to them at the beach they would only wish they looked as good as I do. I hug my Dr every time I go see her..she is a miracle worker and I have the peace of mind knowing I will have a long healthy, good quality life because of her and age management. Take the time to really look into this, you will not be sorry. For those that just want to grow old naturally, this is not for you but some of us want to go down swinging. Good luck all...

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    People in third world countries could care less about how they look and feel, they just want to survive. that why they die at such young ages. So, are we all to assume that you dedicated your talents, life and education to people in third world countries all your life. It must be difficult to give up making a good living here in the US and having just the simpelist of luxeries like air/heat , plenty of food, medical help and decent clothing and a roof over your head. I am impressed, you would give all that up. Thats a rare quality to do something so selfless and then wonder why others dont do the same. So, did you work with the Peace Corp, a religious based organization or did you just make your own life in a third would country by helping others that needed it? I can't imaging foregoing working for years and years to do selfish things like buy a decent home, provide for my children in a country like the US when others have so little , and of course making enough to retire one day. Yea, your way is so admirable and selfless.

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    I agree with Elzee, SeaBreeze, and TWHrider.
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    Well, I guess you told us a thing or two, Going Down Swinging. You are 45. I've got kids your age. I was in great shape at 45 too.

    I'm glad you and your father-in-law look and feel great. But, before I sign up for Bio-Identical hormone Replacement therapy, I want to see the science behind it. Anecdotal evidence from someone I've never met doesn't work for me.

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    fkunsaw, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Congratulations on agreeing with ignorance. So using Elzee's logic "We are going to die anyway", what is the point of doing anything? why do to any doctor? Why try to eat healthy? Why exercise? Seriously? Ok, I realize there are those that just want to sit on the sofa, sit a bowl of popcorn on your gut like a table and watch you TV shows until you die. Hey, if thats your thing God speed. My and an increasing number of people realize we can be more healthy, we can feel younger, look younger. We can have a better quality of life and be more active. Your mentality just confuses me. Its likeyou are all just giving up on life and just dont care. I want more from life. I refuse to just wither away before my time. Its just hard for me to imagine people want that. I want to be able to play ball with my grandsons. Spend days in Disny world with the family without being "The old guy that everyone waits on" and the guy that gets tired and has to go to the room and nap...no, thats not me. For me growing old gracefully and willingly is not an option. I came into the world with a great family and great health, I still have that. I came in full of life and vigor, I still have that. I came in with a sense of curiosity, wonder and amazement and still have that. I came in with a sense of adventure and love of life, I still have that. I came in with no money and I worked hard and changed that, so I dont relate to your comment at all. You all sound sad and depressed. I wish you all luck.

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    Pricklypear --- Good...at least you have the mindset that you need to look into it. An open mind, a dose of scepticism and the intelligence to do a little research are all noble qualities. I was skeptical at first too. I looked into it, read about it and then ask two Doctor friends of mine about it. They were both already doing it and told me more science behind it that I could comprehend. Im a Finance guy not a science guy. They convinced me to go talk to her, see what its all about and I am so glad I did. Just keep an open mind.. Thats all Im saying. Ive had great results...look into and decide for yourself if its for you. If not, then at least you were open minded enough to do your due diligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Going Down Swinging View Post
    ... For me growing old gracefully and willingly is not an option. I came into the world with a great family and great health, I still have that. I came in full of life and vigor, I still have that. I came in with a sense of curiosity, wonder and amazement and still have that. I came in with a sense of adventure and love of life, I still have that. I came in with no money and I worked hard and changed that ...
    From a psychological viewpoint, I would think that anyone that feels so strongly and goes to such great lengths to disavow the natural process of aging - a process, by the way, that is going to get us ALL, sooner or later - is going to be hit all the harder when their time comes, much harder than someone who has led a "natural" life.

    Because, let's face it - replacing hormones that you lose due to aging is NOT natural. Looked at from a certain perspective, you are cheating the house ... and the house ALWAYS wins.

    I can understand a certain zest for life, a willingness to go the extra mile when it comes to healthy lifestyle. Diet and nutrition, supplements and vitamins, exercise, avoiding excesses of all kinds, regular medical check - ups - that's great, that's what anyone who wants to remain in peak physical health should do.

    But by spitting in the face of natural aging one plays a dangerous game. The way I see it, Cenegenics has one ace in the hole, and that is their hormone replacement therapy. All the other stuff - the nutritional guidance, the exercise, the testing - you could accomplish on your own. But it's admittedly difficult to get your hands on what is normally illegal substances such as HGH for the purposes of "anti-aging", and their ability to slow the aging process is highly questionable.

    One needs to consider these pros and cons when evaluating testosterone therapy:

    Potential benefits

    * Improve muscle mass and strength
    * Increase bone mineral density
    * Thicken body hair and skin
    * Improve sexual desire
    * Boost energy
    * Decrease irritability and depression
    * Improve cognitive function


    Potential risks

    * Cause skin reactions
    * Cause fluid retention
    * Cause baldness
    * Cause or aggravate sleep apnea
    * Stimulate noncancerous growth of the prostate and cause or worsen urinary symptoms
    * Stimulate growth of prostate cancer that's already present
    * Enlarge breasts
    * Stimulate growth of breast cancer that's already present
    * Cause testicle shrinkage
    * Limit sperm production
    * Stimulate excess blood production
    * Cause acne

    Again, mainly from a philosophical point of view but acknowledging all the potential physical drawbacks, trying to ignore natural aging by partaking in a regimen that is questionable at best and not fully understood is something we do at our own risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Going Down Swinging View Post
    fkunsaw, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Congratulations on agreeing with ignorance. So using Elzee's logic "We are going to die anyway", what is the point of doing anything? why do to any doctor? Why try to eat healthy? Why exercise? Seriously? Ok, I realize there are those that just want to sit on the sofa, sit a bowl of popcorn on your gut like a table and watch you TV shows until you die. Hey, if thats your thing God speed. My and an increasing number of people realize we can be more healthy, we can feel younger, look younger. We can have a better quality of life and be more active. Your mentality just confuses me. Its likeyou are all just giving up on life and just dont care. I want more from life. I refuse to just wither away before my time. Its just hard for me to imagine people want that. I want to be able to play ball with my grandsons. Spend days in Disny world with the family without being "The old guy that everyone waits on" and the guy that gets tired and has to go to the room and nap...no, thats not me. For me growing old gracefully and willingly is not an option. I came into the world with a great family and great health, I still have that. I came in full of life and vigor, I still have that. I came in with a sense of curiosity, wonder and amazement and still have that. I came in with a sense of adventure and love of life, I still have that. I came in with no money and I worked hard and changed that, so I dont relate to your comment at all. You all sound sad and depressed. I wish you all luck.
    You are so completely wrong I don't know where to start.I'm 71 and probably healthier than you are. Most of us have enough sense to take care of ourselves. We've lived through countless ads for some "scientific breakthrough" or another. and were smart enough to keep our money in our pockets.
    If you are 45 now did you know the odds are against you ever becoming as old as I am now? Think about it, You may not grow old gracefully. You may not even grow old.

    So fork over your hard earned money if you want but stop trying to convince me to.
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    @=Going Down Swinging;7286
    I have read a lot of ignorant sarcasm in discussing Cenegenics. This company practices age management , not age organization and they are not a nanny service. What they are doing is Bio-Identical hormone Relacement therapy. Before you roll your eyes and speak with a uneducated , closed mind you should know what this actually is.

    I'm amused by your extreme passion for this program. You should consider becoming a spokesperson for them, perhaps you can receive some discounted treatments. Respectfully, it is ignorant on your part to assume that others are either lacking in knowledge of hormone therapy, uneducated or close-minded.

    They do a very lengthy and compley blood screening. Something a lot more comprehensive than your Family Doctor would ever do. When we get older certain things happen and our bodies naturally stop making things like estrogen, testosterone, HGH and many other things. The blood test results show them where the deficiencies are and where somethings are too high. They look at your comprehensive health and how it all works together. They measure thyroid function, vitamin levels, cardiac function, many key indicators to possible future healh issues that can be proactively corrected. Once they get this "Full Health picture" , they correct the imbalances by perscribing theraputic amounts of things your body naturally produces and needs and helps counteract and issues found. Your diet is even changed in a lot of instances. They really take a comprehensive look at your health and put things back to where they should be.

    Anyone of us who care to do it, can get a "Full Health Picture", on our own, without being held by the hand and led through a expensive pre-planned system. Hormone, thyroid, cardiovascular, vitamin levels, etc. can be tested by a doctor or a naturopath. Nutritional, supplemental and exercise recommendations are also very commonly advised as treatments and preventatives.

    Oh, and no "steriods". thats just silly. The only steriod would be testosterone, something you need anyway. I have been under the care of an age management Dr for a couple years now. I look and feel years younger. My wife is doing this with me and she has equally good results. I am 45 so maybe not as old as some of you on here but I started on this therapy and got back into the gym. I initially lost 30 pounds and then gained muscle because I am on a high protein diet and the testosterone helps build muscle.

    Eating a healthy whole foods diet, supplementing and exercising makes many people look and feel younger. For $12 per month, I have access to a local fitness gym which offers cardio, weights and other ways to burn fat and build muscle. It's wiser not to resort to hormones or steroids.

    I have very low "T" as they say on TV and my Dr never caught it. My level shoul dhave been 600+ and I was at 75..very low. Just balancing your Testosterone back to where it needs to be will activate your metabolism , help muscles , give you energy and make you geel great. I am now in better shape than when I was 25.

    There are more natural ways to build your testosterone, and exercise is one of them http://www.energytimes.com/pages/dep...savvy1102.html. Ways much safer than testosterone or human growth hormone therapy. Taking hormones or steroids may lead to rises in LDL cholesterol, high blood pressure, elevated liver enzymes, liver or kidney disease, etc. HGH can accelerate the growth of cancerous cells or tumors that already may in your body...ones not yet dectected with testing.

    Now, I was very athletic and played college football but my bosy had gone downhill a lot. Now, I can outrun my 20 year old son and my bench press is around 400. Not bad for a 45 year old. I am muscular and have ab muscles. Sexual appetite and function is beck to where it was in my 20's, my skin looks years younger and I am in great health because its monitored closely.

    I'm surprised that you are in such poor shape at the age of forty five, we're in our sixties and haven't had issues with sexual appetite, etc. My skin looks healthy and naturally aged. My muscles are strong, and we all have ab muscles.


    By the way, I am told all the time that I look 35 and younger women constantly flirt with me...I go to the beach, take off my shirt and look better than most. My kids are amazed and my wife is extremely happy .

    Lol, well, I hope your wife is half as 'happy' as you are. You're quite pleased with yourself, good for you!


    So people like seabreeze can be negative all they want. I guarentee that if I was sitting next to them at the beach they would only wish they looked as good as I do.

    You're precious! I can guarantee that I would not want to look like you at the beach.


    I hug my Dr every time I go see her..she is a miracle worker and I have the peace of mind knowing I will have a long healthy, good quality life because of her and age management. Take the time to really look into this, you will not be sorry. For those that just want to grow old naturally, this is not for you but some of us want to go down swinging. Good luck all...

    Hope you and your doctor share many more hugs in the future, I'm sure she looks forward to them from all her appreciative patients. The thing that bothers me about your posts, is how angry you sound. You may want to have the doc review your hormone dose, sometimes they, especially testosterone, can amplify rage or depression. I wish you well, and hope you go down swinging, but hopefully not at the end of a rope. Years ago, a young co-worker of mine was in his twenties, handsome, well educated, popular with everyone ended up committing suicide after using testosterone and steroids when he started to pursue bodybuilding...what a loss, sad day for all.

    A word to the wise...it's okay if people disagree with you, that doesn't make you any less of a person. It's emotionally healthy to keep an open mind to other opinions too. I wish you a long and healthy future regardless of your age, and BTW, welcome to the forum!
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    I am also of the persuasion that I want to live fully to the end; so much so that I am now finishing a masters degree in clinical counseling at the age of 61. I intend to have a full practice so am invested in continuing to care for my health. My clinical specialty is the incarcerated and severely mentally ill so this second career is about significance and not financial gain (the first career was raising 5 children; one with a mental health disability). I have been thinking for awhile that I need some type of hormonal rebalancing but had never heard of anything like that. I have come to understand disease as an emergent property of less than optimal conditions. The use of growth hormone would only be needed in extreme cases but fine tuning the delicate and intricate interactive symphony of the endocrine system I believe is entirely appropriate. Cenegenics sounds like they are on the right track but are out of reach for my financial resources. I'm wondering if there are any reliable alternatives or if Cenegenics would be willing to offer only the hormone analysis portion?

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    Hi Lily, welcome to the forum and congratulations on your work toward the counseling degree!

    Unfortunately Cenegenics does NOT offer the hormone analysis as a separate modality; they require everyone to be in the total program. The thing is, I believe that a person could implement all of the other parts of the program (because basically what they're offering is concierge medicine, the personalization of the conventional medical paradigm) by hiring a life coach, nutritionist, personal trainer and such, at a greatly discounted rate.

    That would leave the medical aspect, and there you could "hire" a proficient GP, one who believes in and practices a more holistic mode of medicine, as a sort of overseer of the entire medical phase of your program. You would rely upon them to put you in touch with the testing labs, specialists, etc. needed to mimic the Cenegenics program. The toughest part would be having access to the hormones (actually, the toughest part would probably be getting your insurance to cover this program, but that's another thread) but even there topical prescriptions are quite common these days so it shouldn't be an insurmountable problem - you would just need the right doctor to write the 'scrip.

    I suspect that all of this could be done for less than half the advertised price of the "start-up" phase (the initial intake-testing) and also maintained at a similar discount. In fact, I've been playing around with the idea of writing a book something along the lines of "The Poor Person's Guide to Age Management", wherein these "discounted" methods would be researched and laid out for the reader.

    One other thought: Cenegenics, like many other age-management programs, seems to be focused mainly on men and their fear of decreasing testosterone levels. I suspect they're playing to those fears instead of to a more balanced model of aging. The simple fact that good nutrition and exercise does wonders for probably 75% of the cases is buried under the "wonder drug" approach. I might be wrong in this - as I said, it's just my opinion - but the evidence seems to point in that direction.
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