Who is just plain sad for the world, for our country, for ourselves, for the whole stupid mess

hollydolly said:
this is my great concern too...I'm absolutely fearful that given that my daughter is living in Spain, a country ravaged by this pandemic, that neither of us will ever be able to fly to see each other again... 😟
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but why do you think that? I have children in America and Europe,and they are already talking about having a big family reunion once this is all over.
We are experiencing the consequences of global travel and this may make people more wary of visiting other countries in future. However, we will resume our visits abroad, but we may be more aware of the potential dangers.
We have all become so accustomed to getting on a plane and travelling to more or less wherever we wish. If we all make face masks and hand sanitisers part of our travel kit, there may be less chance of this happening again.
 

IrisSenior said:
I agree with you mostly Rosemarie except the children and life returning to normal. There are 3 kids next door that jump on a trampoline in their backyard and I love to her their voices and laughter. They don't cause trouble. I will NOT be sorry when life returns to normal. I just want to see what normal will be.
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Don't misunderstand me. I like children and have had three of my own. I enjoy listening to them playing. However, I live in a rough area where the children are what is now labelled 'feral'. They do cause a lot of trouble not just to me but others as well.
Unless you have experienced it, you wouldn't appreciate how peaceful it is just now, not having to worry about they are vandalising or setting fire to.
 
Rosemarie said:
but why do you think that? I have children in America and Europe,and they are already talking about having a big family reunion once this is all over.
We are experiencing the consequences of global travel and this may make people more wary of visiting other countries in future. However, we will resume our visits abroad, but we may be more aware of the potential dangers.
We have all become so accustomed to getting on a plane and travelling to more or less wherever we wish. If we all make face masks and hand sanitisers part of our travel kit, there may be less chance of this happening again.
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Lol, I haven’t become accustomed to international travel or traveling to wherever I wished. That takes money, I don’t have that kind of money. I’ve never had that kind of money. I never will have that kind of money. But if I get the gosh dang stimulus check I will travel to the store and get a new vacuum. 😂
 

Aneeda72 said:
Lol, I haven’t become accustomed to international travel or traveling to wherever I wished. That takes money, I don’t have that kind of money. I’ve never had that kind of money. I never will have that kind of money. But if I get the gosh dang stimulus check I will travel to the store and get a new vacuum. 😂
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Nor me. My childhood was spent travelling so I'm a home bod now. I was speaking generally, not me personally.
 
Rosemarie said:
Don't misunderstand me. I like children and have had three of my own. I enjoy listening to them playing. However, I live in a rough area where the children are what is now labelled 'feral'. They do cause a lot of trouble not just to me but others as well.
Unless you have experienced it, you wouldn't appreciate how peaceful it is just now, not having to worry about they are vandalising or setting fire to.
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WOW, feral children. Are they like feral cats, picked up, neutered, and returned? What a horrid label to pin on a child, a human being. Such a label would never work here. Who gave them that label? Cause I have a label for them.
 
Aneeda72 said:
WOW, feral children. Are they like feral cats, picked up, neutered, and returned? What a horrid label to pin on a child, a human being. Such a label would never work here. Who gave them that label? Cause I have a label for them.
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Not me, I'm just quoting the term others use. You surely have such children in your country, just use a different term for them. Children whose parents have given them no guidance, no moral code, who do nothing but cause a nuisance.
 
Rosemarie said:
I suppose this will make me unpopular, but there are a few benefits to the current situation. Everywhere is much quieter, with so little traffic. I went into town yesterday and I was able to cross the roads without using the pedestrian crossings, without breathing in petrol fumes.
The shops are only allowing two customers at a time, so you get first class service and no waiting at the cashpoint.

Where I live is usually very noisy with children running wild and causing trouble. It's been so peaceful, I haven't had to keep checking to see what the little brats are doing.

I shall be sorry when life returns to normal.
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Way to look for the positives - less noise, less traffic, less air pollution - Happy Earth Day!
 
Rosemarie said:
Not me, I'm just quoting the term others use. You surely have such children in your country, just use a different term for them. Children whose parents have given them no guidance, no moral code, who do nothing but cause a nuisance.
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We pick them up, the children, put them in foster care, group homes, mental health facilities, and/or juvenile jail. The parents are held responsible for their actions and often go to jail themselves, or to some kind of program.

The children do not get to roam around and cause problems. Now this can differ from state to state, but this is how it is where I live.
 
Aneeda72 said:
We pick them up, the children, put them in foster care, group homes, mental health facilities, and/or juvenile jail. The parents are held responsible for their actions and often go to jail themselves, or to some kind of program.

The children do not get to roam around and cause problems. Now this can differ from state to state, but this is how it is where I live.
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Then your country has a better attitude than mine. Here it's a case of 'you can't do anything, so put up with it'.
 
What society doesn't seem to realise is that these children are allowed to get away with relatively minor things, and then move on to serious crime. These are tomorrow's criminals.
 
Rosemarie said:
What society doesn't seem to realise is that these children are allowed to get away with relatively minor things, and then move on to serious crime. These are tomorrow's criminals.
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Yup, we try to nip them in the bud, so to speak.
 
Rosemarie said:
but why do you think that? I have children in America and Europe,and they are already talking about having a big family reunion once this is all over.
We are experiencing the consequences of global travel and this may make people more wary of visiting other countries in future. However, we will resume our visits abroad, but we may be more aware of the potential dangers.
We have all become so accustomed to getting on a plane and travelling to more or less wherever we wish. If we all make face masks and hand sanitisers part of our travel kit, there may be less chance of this happening again.
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I think it's possible because if you watch the video of the link I put on, you;ll see that the doctor there is saying that the vaccines, are carcinogenic, and anyone who refuses the vaccines will be prevented from Travelling... . Now I'm not saying this is definitely going to happen, I'm just putting forward a scenario in which the eminent doctor is convinced will be the punishment meted out to those who don't comply ..

You're correct in your assumption that if we wear PPE we'd be protected if we fly, that's what we're told, that's what we're led to believe.. ... but what happens when you get to the other country and no-one is wearing PPE...that is even if we actually need it, in that..in the video, the doctor explains why PPE is unnecessary because this Virus cannot be passed on person to person in the way WHO are telling us... ..he says!!

Anyway. these are just scenarios that I'm putting forward , after researching as much as I can... people can watch the video or not watch, believe or not believe.. the point is that none of us ordinary people know exactly how this is going to pan out and therefore we need to do what we think will be best for ourselves and our families
 
Aneeda72 said:
We pick them up, the children, put them in foster care, group homes, mental health facilities, and/or juvenile jail. The parents are held responsible for their actions and often go to jail themselves, or to some kind of program.

The children do not get to roam around and cause problems. Now this can differ from state to state, but this is how it is where I live.
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ha!! if only that happened here..unfortunately it hardly ever does...unless the children commit a serious crime like murder, then they're put into a facility that treats them like cotton wool..

Some places in this country are over-run by feral kids, whose parents don't care..
 
chic said:
I feel anger and frustration mostly because the medical experts are refusing to see the bigger picture here. In my country and in my state, people are scared, financially devastated, and at their wits end.
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I understand doctors mean to save lives, but what if the condition of existence is not of value to the person saved? It's not sustainable to close every non essential business, allow people to face food shortages and hunger and force people to live six feet apart forever. Why can't they see this and address our concerns?
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After decades of doctors facing lawsuits and practicing cya medicine I think that's what some of the public policy drs are doing intentionally or not. They would rather 'be safe than sorry' but 'safe' is not 'safe' for everyone. Yeah there are some power trips and egos in some states and with the feds but alot of this comes from decades of cya medicine. At times it seems like they are more worried about getting sued or not jeopardizing their license.
 
There have been times I've had to fight back tears and do what's necessary to overcome impending depression. I've lost people to the virus and a friend of mine told me last night that several of her cousins in N.Y. have died. She couldn't even go to the funerals but she said they were able to watch them on their devices. Every day I read such heartbreaking stories, but there have been many heartwarming ones as well. Those help.
 
There's a whole lotta speculating going on here, on what might happen, what could happen, what hasn't happened yet. So-called experts on TV differ in their assessments. Who ya gonna believe? I've quit listening to the news. They are beyond biased, IMO, and make stuff up to fit their own agenda.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
There have been times I've had to fight back tears and do what's necessary to overcome impending depression. I've lost people to the virus and a friend of mine told me last night that several of her cousins in N.Y. have died. She couldn't even go to the funerals but she said they were able to watch them on their devices.
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I'm so sorry OED... , it's just terrible, we're just fighting an invisible enemy no-one knows where it's going to strike next.., and I feel that you're absolutely correct, depressive illness is going to be the next big problem caused by this for those who survive.. not just for losing friends and family to this, but for all the other reasons that have gone along with this, loneliness, lack of ability to work, lack of money, lack of availability for medical/ dental appointments (aside from the virus) .., so people suffering in Pain for longer.. being cooped up 24/7 with people you don't necessarily like or worse, in abusive relationships... all those and more can cause depression in people who are strong, much less those who already suffer from the Black dog..
 
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hollydolly said:
I'm so sorry OED... , it's just terrible, we're just fighting an invisible enemy no-pone knows where it's going to strike next.., and I feel that you're absolutely correct, depressive illness is going to be the next big problem caused by this for those who survive.. not just for losing friends and family to this, but for all the other reasons that have gone along with this, loneliness, lack of ability to work, lack of money, lack of availability for medical/ dental appointments (aside from the virus) .., so people suffering in Pain for longer.. being cooped up 24/7 with people you don't necessarily like or worse, in abusive relationships... all those and more can cause depression in people who are strong, much less those who already suffer from the Black dog..
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All of what you've mentioned here are big cause for concern HD. I feel so bad for people who are struggling because they've lost jobs or businesses and have other mouths to feed. A friend of mine said a relative of hers was furloughed; so is my grandson. That made me wonder...can people who were furloughed but not laid off get unemployment benefits? If not, that's a whole 'nother set of problems. I just keep praying for those on the front lines (health care workers, EMTs, police & firemen), our country and our global population. This has truly illustrated that what harms one can bring harm to us all.
 
chic said:
And it's my birthday. I had hoped for better than this. :(
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I wish I can say something better than "HappyBirthday" but know that we're all in this together. There's a stranger like me that can feel your angst, frustration, anger in our current situation. I'm giving you a tight cyber hug sister. This too, shall pass.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
That made me wonder...can people who were furloughed but not laid off get unemployment benefits?
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Based on articles I've read, if one is not laid off but their hours have been cut significantly ( say they used to work 40 hrs per week, cut to 15 hrs) they can file for UI. This may apply only to USA.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
All of what you've mentioned here are big cause for concern HD. I feel so bad for people who are struggling because they've lost jobs or businesses and have other mouths to feed. A friend of mine said a relative of hers was furloughed; so is my grandson. That made me wonder...can people who were furloughed but not laid off get unemployment benefits? If not, that's a whole 'nother set of problems. I just keep praying for those on the front lines (health care workers, EMTs, police & firemen), our country and our global population. This has truly illustrated that what harms one can bring harm to us all.
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In this country anyway ( don't know how the USA system works) if you're furloughed, you cannot claim benefits, because the government pays 80% of your salary (based on your average earnings over the last 3 years) to the employer who then pays it to the employee.

The employer then is expected to top up the missing 20%, but unfortunately it seems most are not, and they're not legally obliged to, and therefore people who are furloughed are living on 4/5ths of their actual salary (that's even if the employer has even started paying their employees, and in some cases, they haven't ) ... . However those who were either, Self-Employed , laid off/ made redundant.., or were working zero contract hours are able to apply for unemployment benefits here which are called Universal credit, but from what I read, more than 2 million have applied and they are reporting that the first payments will not be forthcoming until the beginning of June ...that's a real concern. Many people are currently living off credit cards, and child benefit allowance...

My daughter has her own business in Spain, she's suffering badly by this, she has a mortgage to pay, and no customers... she's self employed and the Spanish red tape is appalling, so they've been in lockdown for almost 8 weeks now, and she's supposed to get 300 euros per month from the govt, not a lot but it would help... but it's not been forthcoming at all...
 
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One just has to remain strong. Depression is bad for the immune system. This will not end soon as some say. Most say it will trend down then reappear in the fall perhaps stronger as it mutates. Getting a vaccine approved will take time and distributing it will be a massive task. Maybe a cure pill will come along. Realistically, I am thinking two years of cautionary behavior lying ahead. Hopefully as hurricane season begins in the Gulf Coast are in May we will be spared a destructive storm forcing people to temporary shelters.
 

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