Do we really “trust in God”?

Rosemarie said:
It pre-supposes that 'God ' is in control of everything that happens. Are there still people/children who actually believe that?
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I do but I also am aware that Satan is at work in the tragic situations. I believe that it's his job to make God look bad. I believe God is a loving God and that he will take care of his children. I don't care for organized religion or the people in it. I have a bible and my faith. That's all I need.
 

Damaged Goods said:
I’m RC Christian and believe that he showed the way to conduct ourselves and TRUST that he will judge us accordingly, if that’s what you mean.

I TRUST that he’ll always forgive those who are repentant. He knows that we are imperfect. Do your best to do the right thing, I believe, is his motto.

Sound simplistic and juvenile? Sorry 'bout that.

He obviously does not get involved in what transpires in the world, otherwise you wouldn’t see all the misery, tragedy, natural disasters, birth defects, unfairness, his own priests abusing children….
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They are not “his own priests“. They are pedophiles which became FALSE priests in order to have access to children, just like Boy Scout leaders, teachers, social workers, foster parents and on and on and on.

I do not know what an RC Christian is. I believe God gets involved in the world, just not in a manner we may recognize or want.
 
MarciKS said:
I do but I also am aware that Satan is at work in the tragic situations. I believe that it's his job to make God look bad. I believe God is a loving God and that he will take care of his children. I don't care for organized religion or the people in it. I have a bible and my faith. That's all I need.
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I don’t believe it’s Satan’s job to make God look bad. I think Satan is busy corrupting the world and doing a good job of it. I doubt Satan gives God any thought at all.
 

Warrigal said:
The baby was dispatched without ceremony in the hospital furnace. Because he had never drawn breath his birth was not registered. Legally he never existed. Procedures were very uncaring back then. My sister has never forgotten him though because, as you have said, he was once alive within her body.
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Yes, I understand that a still-born is regarded as nothing more than dead flesh. There is the belief that a baby is not considered alive until it has drawn its first breath. I really don't understand that. When the baby first starts moving in the womb, it is referred to as 'quickening'. It is the difference between 'the quick and the dead', and taken as a sign that the baby is alive and 'kicking'.
This is an area which really needs to be clarified.
 
Warrigal said:
As her older sister, I already had two healthy children. Her first pregnancy ended when she started to bleed at 30 weeks. It was placenta previa but the doctors tried to keep the baby in utero. He died and she had to endure the birth process knowing that she was not delivering a live baby.

I don't think she even saw him. He was not named, nor given a funeral. His remains were taken care of by the hospital, along with all of the other medical waste. She was told to go home and prepare for a second pregnancy.

Her second baby was also premature, delivered at 28 weeks but she survived although she stopped breathing three times. She was baptised in the humicrib by a catholic priest. The nurses took the leftover holy water and added it to the humicrib water. I thought this to be quite superstitious but I was glad that they did it. I visited the hospital and was allowed to look at my tiny niece in the nursery on the other side of a glass window. I could not pray. Atheists have nothing and no-one to pray to. I stood at the window with all of my fingers crossed and muttered "Hang in there, Kiddo". Pathetic really, but God hears even prayers as roughly constructed as mine was.

Later I heard that the students of a local Catholic school were praying for my sister and the baby. I was grateful but still thought that prayers are wasted effort.

Paradoxically, while still a convinced atheist, I applied for and secured a position in that same school as a maths/science teacher. Don't tell me that this was just a co-incidence. It was in my second year at this school that I went on the in-service that I described elsewhere. I stayed at that school for the next 25 years of my life, and my previous emptiness was filled with something that has sustained me ever since. It is called Love, with a capital L.
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I'm an agnostic....I'm still open to being convinced one way or the other. However, I do believe in the power of prayer. All is energy and strong, positive thinking can bring about change...it has been proved. So never think that prayer is wasted.
 
Aneeda72 said:
They are not “his own priests“. They are pedophiles which became FALSE priests in order to have access to children, just like Boy Scout leaders, teachers, social workers, foster parents and on and on and on.

I do not know what an RC Christian is. I believe God gets involved in the world, just not in a manner we may recognize or want.
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Actually they took the sacrament of Holy Orders of the RC (Roman Catholic) faith and so are his priests just as a Christian minister is one of his ministers.

You think that a "priest" is only someone who lives a perfect life? No one lives a perfect life. As priests, I believe that their pedophilia will be judged more harshly.
 
Rosemarie said:
I'm an agnostic....I'm still open to being convinced one way or the other. However, I do believe in the power of prayer. All is energy and strong, positive thinking can bring about change...it has been proved. So never think that prayer is wasted.
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It's kind of a placebo effect; if you believe it's helping you, your body's natural healing responses will kick in, including brain chemicals that kill pain or make us feel good. And there's nothing wrong with that. Positive thinking is a powerful antidote.
 
Damaged Goods said:
Actually they took the sacrament of Holy Orders of the RC (Roman Catholic) faith and so are his priests just as a Christian minister is one of his ministers.

You think that a "priest" is only someone who lives a perfect life? No one lives a perfect life. As priests, I believe that their pedophilia will be judged more harshly.
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We agree to disagree.
 
MarciKS said:
I do but I also am aware that Satan is at work in the tragic situations. I believe that it's his job to make God look bad. I believe God is a loving God and that he will take care of his children. I don't care for organized religion or the people in it. I have a bible and my faith. That's all I need
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If there were a Satan, why wouldn't God just destroy him?
 
Damaged Goods said:
I’m RC Christian and believe that he showed the way to conduct ourselves and TRUST that he will judge us accordingly, if that’s what you mean.holic

I TRUST that he’ll always forgive those who are repentant. He knows that we are imperfect. Do your best to do the right thing, I believe, is his motto.

Sound simplistic and juvenile? Sorry 'bout that.

He obviously does not get involved in what transpires in the world, otherwise you wouldn’t see all the misery, tragedy, natural disasters, birth defects, unfairness, his own priests abusing children….
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By RC do you mean Roman Catholic?

I believe in God and in miracles because I have personally experienced them. I also believe in angels. Call me crazy if you're an atheist.

"You don't believe in God, because you do not know him." Leo Tolstoy.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I don’t believe it’s Satan’s job to make God look bad. I think Satan is busy corrupting the world and doing a good job of it. I doubt Satan gives God any thought at all.
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Aneeda, I'm only curious here... Did you ever think of Satan less as a corrupter, but more of a vulture? By that I mean , the world is corrupt ,and he/she, it, is just cleaning up the mess left behind? I find this stuff interesting, but don't really accept it as being a truth of existence. Please understand , I am not intend to offend, but your comments piqued my curiosity.
 
Irwin said:
I don't know much about quantum physics, but the general laws of physics can be relied upon and apply throughout the universe.
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Nor me, but quantum physics disconcerted Einstein because it postulates chance plays a part in physics, (I'll try to come back with a better explanation), but as you say the rules do appear to apply throughout the universe, unless theories start to break down at the extremes if memory serves me correctly.
 
Grahamg, If memory serves me correctly --which is highly questionable, didn't Einstein dismiss much of quantum theory???, Please keep in mind, the my understanding of the subject is less than that of most household pets.
 
Oris Borloff said:
Grahamg, If memory serves me correctly --which is highly questionable, didn't Einstein dismiss much of quantum theory???, Please keep in mind, the my understanding of the subject is less than that of most household pets.
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He resisted it certainly, but as time has gone on more evidence has come forth backing up quantum physics, and many devices we use today are said to be only possible because scientists used it in their work. :)
 
Oris Borloff said:
Aneeda, I'm only curious here... Did you ever think of Satan less as a corrupter, but more of a vulture? By that I mean , the world is corrupt ,and he/she, it, is just cleaning up the mess left behind? I find this stuff interesting, but don't really accept it as being a truth of existence. Please understand , I am not intend to offend, but your comments piqued my curiosity.
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It’s hard to offend me, I really am open minded. 😆. And I find this stuff extremely interesting as well. But, IMO, Satan is a corrupter. It is God that cleans up Satan‘s messes, judging who is worthy and who is unworthy, giving forgiveness to us all. Can the corrupted person be redeemed?, of course, and easily, IMO.

Sincere heart felt prayers for forgiveness, the old “ask and you shall receive” or an act of redemption, or other methods which don’t come to mind. Also, I suppose the forgiveness of someone you wronged would weight heavily in your favor. I believe there is something about there are many paths to heaven in the Bible, just as their are many paths in hell.

There, of course, is no proof of existence, there is faith and belief. Do I trust the sun will rise tomorrow? Nope. But I believe the sun will rise tomorrow. Do I believe everyone goes to heaven? Yes, I do. Because hell, is here, now. We are living in hell.

@Oris Borloff
 
You'll like this taken from a Methodist website:
"A visiting pastor attended a men's breakfast in the middle of a rural farming area of
the country.

The group had asked an older farmer, decked out in bib overalls, to say grace for the
morning breakfast.

"Lord, I hate buttermilk", the farmer began. The visiting pastor opened one eye to

glance at the farmer and wondered where this was going. The farmer loudly

proclaimed, "Lord, I hate lard." Now the pastor was growing concerned. Without

missing a beat, the farmer continued, "And Lord, you know I don't much care for raw

white flour". The pastor once again opened an eye to glance around the room and

saw that he wasn't the only one to feel uncomfortable.

Then the farmer added, "But Lord, when you mix them all together and bake them, I

do love warm fresh biscuits. So Lord, when things come up that we don't like, when

life gets hard, when we don't understand what you're saying to us, help us to just

relax and wait until you are done mixing. It will probably be even better than biscuits.
Amen."

Stay strong, my friends, because our LORD is mixing several things that we don't
really care for, but something even better is around the bend."
 

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