Do You Believe in an Eternal Hell

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officerripley said:
Yeah, I remember asking a very relig. Christian--don't remember whether Catholic or Protestant--about what would happen if a "saved" Christian woman, totally through no fault of her own, was raped and murdered, would she go to Heaven? Christian: Yep. Me: Then what would happen if, after she died, her rapist & murderer converted to Christianity and was "saved." Would he go to Heaven too? Christian: Yep. Me: Well, wouldn't it spoil Heaven for her if she ran into the SOB up there? Christian: Well, no because God would take away her memory of him and what he did to her. Me: But if you take such a huge memory like that away from someone, they're not themselves anymore since our memories make us what and who we are; she wouldn't be her anymore. Christian: [blank stare]. .
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I'm not Catholic. I have questions for them but I don't ask. I respect the members but not the leaders. I don't think they use the Bible as much as I do but things may have changed. If you had presented your scenario of the rape victim to me you would not have received a "blank stare". Although I'm sure there are many SF members that wish I would exercise blank stares often :LOL:

As far as the scenario you presented to "a very relig. Christian", he said to you that God would take the victim's memory away from "her and what he did to her". You changed it to "take such a huge memory away from her so that she's not herself anymore and wouldn't be her anymore".

I wouldn't have second-guessed God by saying he erases memories. Nor would I assume "she ran into her rapist up there". It doesn't say in the Bible that we run into anyone in particular. In fact, it does say something in the Bible, in 2Corinthians 12:2 that there might be three levels of Heaven. No one knows for sure though...only God knows that. What we do know is that there will be perfect peace and harmony. No pain.

As far as what you said about "she wouldn't be her anymore", the Bible is clear that our physical bodies deteriorate after death. But our spiritual bodies live and receive a new body. What that looks like no one knows. I just hope mine is what I had at age 21😄

God said about us: “I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more” (Hebrews 8:12). What a glorious thought! The Christian need never fear punishment, but can look forward to crowns of reward. So maybe that means we won't remember other's sins either.

https://www.gotquestions.org/levels-heaven.html
 
Lara said:
I'm not Catholic. I have questions for them but I don't ask. I respect the members but not the leaders. I don't think they use the Bible as much as I do but things may have changed. If you had presented your scenario of the rape victim to me you would not have received a "blank stare". Although I'm sure there are many SF members that wish I would exercise blank stares often :LOL:

As far as the scenario you presented to "a very relig. Christian", he said to you that God would take the victim's memory away from "her and what he did to her". You changed it to "take such a huge memory away from her so that she's not herself anymore and wouldn't be her anymore".

I wouldn't have second-guessed God by saying he erases memories. Nor would I assume "she ran into her rapist up there". It doesn't say in the Bible that we run into anyone in particular. In fact, it does say something in the Bible, in 2Corinthians 12:2 that there might be three levels of Heaven. No one knows for sure though...only God knows that. What we do know is that there will be perfect peace and harmony. No pain.

As far as what you said about "she wouldn't be her anymore", the Bible is clear that our physical bodies deteriorate after death. But our spiritual bodies live and receive a new body. What that looks like no one knows. I just hope mine is what I had at age 21😄

God said about us: “I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more” (Hebrews 8:12). What a glorious thought! The Christian need never fear punishment, but can look forward to crowns of reward. So maybe that means we won't remember other's sins either.

https://www.gotquestions.org/levels-heaven.html
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I do not know why you keep saying negative things like “I am sure there are many SF members that wish I would exercise blank stares often“. I think not. What good would that do since we can’t see you. Plus a blank stare usually means someone is having a seizure. 🤦🏻‍♀️

I like to read your point of view, I agree with little of what you say, but, still, I am interested. If you have questions about the Catholic faith then ask them. I am sure someone will answer, probably not me, but maybe. Depends on the question 😂.

Some people have said a few ignorant things to me, and said a few ignorant things about me to me, and on and on and so what. It’s not like I am going to date anyone or live next door to them or cry into my root beer. Write what you want, ask what you want, say what you want. People will answer or not. It’s a discussion, not a lecture. Speak out and be heard!

If someone does not want to hear it, then they don’t need to read it.

There will be no pain, I agree with you on that, cause, you know, it’s a well known fact “the dead feel no pain”. As for peace and harmony, the lion might lay down with the lamb; but only after he’s had a very big dinner, IMO. 😂
 

Knight said:
What factual information is there that heaven is possible & hell is to? Is is there verifiable proof either exists?
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If our Creator can "move mountains"...create the universe, flora, fauna, man, oceans, etc...he can certainly whip up a heaven and hell. Nothing is out of the question. The only proof I know of is my own son's near death experience* at age 2 that he shared at age 4 and has similarities with others who have had near death experiences. But aside from that there is this from the Bible: https://www.gotquestions.org/hell-real-eternal.html

If you research Google it gets complicated and all guessing. You'll find all sorts of theories and "findings" where some scientists believe there is another world within the earth that contains "aliens". Others say the center of the earth is hot and meets the description of the "Lake of fire" that the Bible mentions. There are "Hollow Earth" theorists. Some say that there is a small hole at the North Pole that leads to this advanced alien civilization. No I'm not kidding lol. The Bible suggests that Hell is in the center of the Earth.

* I shared my 2 yr old son's near death experience in one of the threads not too long ago but don't remember the title of the thread.
 
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The way I feel about and hell nowadays is I don't anticipate either one to a great degree. I don't know what happens after I die, perhaps I am not meant to know until I die? Speculation creates a nice round of discussion where anybody can comment without concern of being right or wrong, its only speculation.

On that note, death and dying are as important as life and living. I don't know beyond other people say death or dying, my theory if I had one about the afterlife will come as it arrives. No sooner. I'm ok with that.

I don't try to be good enough to go to heaven or whatever. Heaven seems to be choice destination for the living. What if heaven is a place or state being was designed by you and how you expect heaven will be. Seldom do people realize the degree of power everyone has within their minds and imagination. Joy and happiness are natural healers for the body and soul, somehow we get sidetrack by what seems important at the time. Stress, anything to the excess is harmful, but we keep it up until illness slows us down to start over again.

We heal and that's a miracle of life.
 
Lara said:
If our Creator can "move mountains"...create the universe, flora, fauna, man, oceans, etc...he can certainly whip up a heaven and hell. Nothing is out of the question. The only proof I know of is my own son's near death experience at age 2 that he shared at age 4 and has similarities with others who have had near death experiences. But aside from that there is this from the Bible: https://www.gotquestions.org/hell-real-eternal.html

If you research Google it gets complicated and all guessing. You'll find all sorts of theories and "findings" where some scientists believe there is another world within the earth that contains "aliens". Others say the center of the earth is hot and meets the description of the "Lake of fire" that the Bible mentions. There are "Hollow Earth" theorists. Some say that there is a small hole at the North Pole that leads to this advanced alien civilization. No I'm not kidding lol. The Bible suggests that Hell is in the center of the Earth.
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Wait a minute! What? So when we die, if we’ve been really bad we go directly to the centre of the earth?
LMAO! Seriously? 😂
note: no disrespect. I just sounds funny.
 
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Mr. Ed said:
The way I feel about and hell nowadays is I don't anticipate either one to a great degree. I don't know what happens after I die, perhaps I am not meant to know until I die? Speculation creates a nice round of discussion where anybody can comment without concern of being right or wrong, its only speculation.

On that note, death and dying are as important as life and living. I don't know beyond other people say death or dying, my theory if I had one about the afterlife will come as it arrives. No sooner. I'm ok with that.

I don't try to be good enough to go to heaven or whatever. Heaven seems to be choice destination for the living. What if heaven is a place or state being was designed by you and how you expect heaven will be. Seldom do people realize the degree of power everyone has within their minds and imagination. Joy and happiness are natural healers for the body and soul, somehow we get sidetrack by what seems important at the time. Stress, anything to the excess is harmful, but we keep it up until illness slows us down to start over again.

We heal and that's a miracle of life.
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That’s a great post. ♥️
 
Keesha said:
Well thank you kindly for your explanation.
My husband says that his dad had a friend who’s father passed away when he was very young so the son went fishing with my husbands grandfather to support the family. The son had already lit the candles which he PAID for to get his father from purgatory into heaven. The priest walked by and told this boy, who was working extra hard to support his family, said his father was almost out of purgatory. He just needed a few more candles and the boy said “Father, dad is like a rat, if his head will fit through a hole, his butt will squeeze in behind him.”

And that was the end of that so instead of trying to help this unfortunate family, they tried to push for more money.

My husband is younger than me so this wasn’t anywhere near the 1500’s. Just sayin.’
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That is a story that everyone is familiar with but few are willing to acknowledge. Money, yes ... or spreading one's legs, particularly Catholic children. But now it is time for me to recite 15 Our Fathers, 10 Hail Marys, and 5 Glory Bes and then for me to be silent.
 
J.B. Books said ( quoted )
OK tell you what.
Why don't you all start talking about the Spanish Inquisition? Or pedophile priests, or gay priests, corrupt priests,
priests with addictions.
If you ever took tour of Hell you would find many priests, bishops, and cardinals.

there is a saying the road to Hell is paved by many well intentioned bishops.

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Well this was one of the biggest deceiving parts about this particular religion. The fact that Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals had to stay faithful to their church , with a promise of celibacy , made it extraordinarily difficult for them to be human , which unfortunately caused all kinds of problems.

These people had a lot of power and influence over others and took advantage of that. In fact , that is the very place pedophiles and homosexuals would flee to. The church protected them and kept them safe.

When I was really young, my family were really close friends to a family whose father volunteered at a church as a Sunday school teacher. It just happened to be that he had a thing for younger children. Coincidence? I think not. He knew he was not only trusted in his position , but safe.

So yes, priests, cardinals and bishops were regular people who , not only had the ability to become corrupt, but also had the power, the trust and the protection of the church.

Trying to create humans who have no sexual urges and giving them power over others , created all kinds of corruption. I completely agree with you there.
 
win231 said:
Well, the divorce was almost as bad as the marriage......
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My daughters husband‘s ex wife made their life a living hell. The police were out to their house, because of the ex wife, more than when he had been married to her. Apparently she could not understand he was remarried. When the ex wife finally remarried, things got a little calmer, but not much. Once the ex wife and her new husband moved out of state, my daughter could at least hang up the phone on her. 🤣
 
Keesha said:
But wasn’t Jesus Christ a human just like the rest of us and didn’t he say that we could do as much as he could and more?
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Hmmmmm, Jesus "a human"? Whew, you ask some really difficult questions. I don't know. And as far as being able to do everything he did, I'm not sure. Try as I may I haven't yet succeeded in walking on water in all of my 74 years on this earth. I can skip across water if I get a really good running start, but once I slow down to a "walk" I lose buoyancy. Maybe I need to light a few more candles and donate an additional 20% of my monthly pension checks?
 
Verisure said:
Hmmmmm, Jesus "a human"? Whew, you ask some really difficult questions. I don't know. And as far as being able to do everything he did, I'm not sure. Try as I may I haven't yet succeeded in walking on water in all of my 74 years on this earth. I can skip across water if I get a really good running start, but once I slow down to a "walk" I lose buoyancy. Maybe I need to light a few more candles and donate an additional 20% of my monthly pension checks?
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Maybe he could change molecular structure or maybe these stories are fabricated. I have no idea. Yes. I agree, I ask some tough questions but hey..... lighting more candles couldn’t hurt any. Lol.

I’m going to get myself in trouble with my silliness. 🤭
 
Verisure said:
Hmmmmm, Jesus "a human"? Whew, you ask some really difficult questions. I don't know. And as far as being able to do everything he did, I'm not sure. Try as I may I haven't yet succeeded in walking on water in all of my 74 years on this earth. I can skip across water if I get a really good running start, but once I slow down to a "walk" I lose buoyancy. Maybe I need to light a few more candles and donate an additional 20% of my monthly pension checks?
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Yes, seriously, Jesus was human. Anyone can walk on water, I walk on water every time it rains. Are you in a wheelchair? If so you can roll on water. But, yup, go ahead donate more, light more candles, see if it will help.
 

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