IBM: Get vaccinated or no pay and no 401K match

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Nosy Bee-54

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IBM's workforce in the US is something like 345,000. Lots of their business comes from the federal government. You would think getting vaccinated would be a no brainer for highly skilled and educated employees. Nope! The company has now put them on notice. There is no threat to fire the refusers but the alternative isn't all that good either.

"IBM told U.S. employees this week that they must be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by Dec. 8 or face an unpaid suspension.

... those who decline to be vaccinated will not be paid after Dec. 8 until they complete their vaccinations.

Employees removed from payroll also won’t be eligible for IBM’s 401K matching program. IBM matches 401K contributions up to 6% once a year on Dec. 15. The match only goes to employees currently on payroll, meaning employees who miss IBM’s Dec. 8 vaccination deadline will have to forfeit their 401K match for the entire year."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/07/ibm...-be-vaccinated-or-face-unpaid-suspension.html
 

Nosy Bee-54 said:
IBM's workforce in the US is something like 345,000. Lots of their business comes from the federal government. You would think getting vaccinated would be a no brainer for highly skilled and educated employees. Nope! The company has now put them on notice. There is no threat to fire the refusers but the alternative isn't all that good either.

"IBM told U.S. employees this week that they must be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by Dec. 8 or face an unpaid suspension.

... those who decline to be vaccinated will not be paid after Dec. 8 until they complete their vaccinations.

Employees removed from payroll also won’t be eligible for IBM’s 401K matching program. IBM matches 401K contributions up to 6% once a year on Dec. 15. The match only goes to employees currently on payroll, meaning employees who miss IBM’s Dec. 8 vaccination deadline will have to forfeit their 401K match for the entire year."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/07/ibm...-be-vaccinated-or-face-unpaid-suspension.html
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"highly skilled and educated"

What? Wait! "highly skilled and educated" refusing to be vaccinated?

How many times I have read comments here stating that the unvaccinated were the uneducated.

Oh I don't know maybe around 100 times?

How refreshing to see someone say "highly skilled and educated" people are also refusing to be vaccinated.

Its not always the "uneducated". A high school or collage certificate doesn't guarantee intelligence. Nor does the lack of one guarantee ignorance.


I'm not saying its right or wrong for anyone getting vaccinated or refusing. 🌹
 
These types of actions, by large companies, will become more commonplace, the longer this virus runs rampant. IBM relies heavily on its workforce, and if increasing numbers of employees became ill, it would put a major dent in the companies services and revenues.

I strongly suspect that more and more companies, businesses, and governments will be issuing Mandates and restrictions in coming months, as the number of those being vaccinated continues to decline. We could easily see something like "vaccine passports" being mandated for any public activities.

More and more, the unvaccinated may find themselves isolated from society.
 

"Employees removed from payroll also won’t be eligible for IBM’s 401K matching program. IBM matches 401K contributions up to 6% once a year on Dec. 15. The match only goes to employees currently on payroll, meaning employees who miss IBM’s Dec. 8 vaccination deadline will have to forfeit their 401K match for the entire year."

I was thinking about this and some might go ahead and take the 10% penalty and withdraw their 401 before the deadline.
 
Gaer said:
I once worked for IBM. It's a shame they have succumbed to Government mandates.
Taking away the people's individualism is a sad thing.
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I don't think this is taking away the people's individualism is the correct view. This is a major public health issue. One's individualism cannot be permitted to kill people, make them seriously ill, or deprive children of their parents.

Today, I wrote to the actual decision maker at University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, a place where medical workers are not required to be vaccinated. That is reprehensible to me.
 
WheatenLover said:
I don't think this is taking away the people's individualism is the correct view. This is a major public health issue. One's individualism cannot be permitted to kill people, make them seriously ill, or deprive children of their parents.

Today, I wrote to the actual decision maker at University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, a place where medical workers are not required to be vaccinated. That is reprehensible to me.
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Thanks, I admire that you're intelligent, reasonable and responsible.
 
Becky1951 said:
"highly skilled and educated"

What? Wait! "highly skilled and educated" refusing to be vaccinated?

How many times I have read comments here stating that the unvaccinated were the uneducated.

Oh I don't know maybe around 100 times?

How refreshing to see someone say "highly skilled and educated" people are also refusing to be vaccinated.

Its not always the "uneducated". A high school or collage certificate doesn't guarantee intelligence. Nor does the lack of one guarantee ignorance.


I'm not saying its right or wrong for anyone getting vaccinated or refusing. 🌹
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This is a HUGE RED FLAG of one of the reasons I doubt if I would get vaccinated. OMG - being pushed harder than a street drug. :rolleyes::oops:
 
Becky1951 said:
"Employees removed from payroll also won’t be eligible for IBM’s 401K matching program. IBM matches 401K contributions up to 6% once a year on Dec. 15. The match only goes to employees currently on payroll, meaning employees who miss IBM’s Dec. 8 vaccination deadline will have to forfeit their 401K match for the entire year."

I was thinking about this and some might go ahead and take the 10% penalty and withdraw their 401 before the deadline.
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I sure would...GEEZE!!!
 
I worked for IBM for about 30 years. IMO, it is one of the best companies to work for, and they treat their employees very well. However, they Do demand that their employees try to be good citizens, and follow the rules. With the overwhelming amount of evidence showing the advantages of getting vaccinated, I can understand the companies position.

There may be a few "new hires" that consider these rules a violation of their "privacy", but I suspect that number will be Very Small. Anyone who has worked for the company for awhile will recognize the wisdom of staying with the company and taking advantage of its excellent benefits.
 
Shero said:
Madame Gaer, have you noticed a world pandemic going on? There is no "individualism" .The plan is to keep people from dying!!!!
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Exactly! I'm not one for vaccinations, don't even take the annual flu shot, but for this deadly pandemic, you bet I took the vaccine when available and will get the booster when it's available also. I may die of many things in my old age, but I don't want to die on a ventilator from a deadly virus. Also, I want what is best for my country, and that it to try and beat this coronavirus and get back to normal life. Over 700,000 deceased in the US, may they rest peacefully. Sympathy and love to their families.
 
Ladybj said:
I do understand street drugs do not prolong lifespans - my comment is they are pushing the vaccine harder than someone pushing street drugs....YIKES!!!!
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They are urging people to get it because it saves lives. Those who get vaccinated will have less severe effects if they do get the virus, unlikely to die in a hospital from it. Over 700,000 dead since the beginning of the pandemic, never forget.
 
Ladybj said:
Is Science always 100% accurate?????
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It sure can be. I'd rather live, thank you, and I'd also rather not be the cause of infections in my family, friends, and community. There is a lot more at stake with Covid, which continues to be a public health menace, and which is a very serious public health issue.

Every single person I know who refuses to be vaccinated gets their information from completely unreliable sources, including FB, QAnon, Fox News, conspiracy theorists, and from politicians who hold public office, such as the governor of Mississippi. I'll take my chances with science. So far, so good. I didn't feel the injections and I didn't have any of the (mostly minor) side effects of getting vaccinated.
 

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