Vaccines

Mike

Mike

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I was thinking about the various vaccines and the arguments
for and against.

If they added a fluorescent substance to them and it made the
skin glow for a short while, that would really show who had, had
the jabs, a lot of the people who say they are against it, have had
the jabs, but keeping quiet about it, plus many who say that they
have had it, haven't been near a needle.

Just a thought, but the glowing skin would probably frighten many.

Mike.
 

Mike said:
I was thinking about the various vaccines and the arguments
for and against.

If they added a fluorescent substance to them and it made the
skin glow for a short while, that would really show who had, had
the jabs, a lot of the people who say they are against it, have had
the jabs, but keeping quiet about it, plus many who say that they
have had it, haven't been near a needle.

Just a thought, but the glowing skin would probably frighten many.

Mike.
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Use my five simple rules for the pandemic:

1. Get all doses of the vaccine
2. Wash hands frequently
3. Avoid crowds
4. Wear your masks when out and about
5. Treat everybody as the enemy
 
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Mike said:
I was thinking about the various vaccines and the arguments
for and against.

If they added a fluorescent substance to them and it made the
skin glow for a short while, that would really show who had, had
the jabs, a lot of the people who say they are against it, have had
the jabs, but keeping quiet about it, plus many who say that they
have had it, haven't been near a needle.

Just a thought, but the glowing skin would probably frighten many.

Mike.
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And does this fluorescent effect ever go away? This is draconian.
 

Shero said:
Your fluorescent idea is a bit over the top Mike. but you are correct about one thing.
The anti vaxxers cult movement have now added to their repertoire that some have had the jab and have become sick and nearly dying. Lies of course, another ploy to scare people.
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Maybe you should check this (the stats below are current and get updated):
https://openvaers.com/index.php

"VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries. OpenVAERS is built from the HHS data available for download at vaers.hhs.gov."​
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Devi said:
Maybe you should check this (the stats below are current and get updated):
https://openvaers.com/index.php

"VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries. OpenVAERS is built from the HHS data available for download at vaers.hhs.gov."​
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......and maybe you should check this out !!

VAERS​

VAERS was created in 1988 and is co-managed by the CDC and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The system was created “to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines,” according to its website. The website further states that It is a “passive reporting system,” meaning that it depends on a person to report their post-vaccination experiences to the CDC and the FDA.

Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals must report certain adverse events, and vaccine manufacturers must report all adverse events that come to their attention. However, it is essential to remember that “VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem.” It is simply a self-reporting tool, which helps the CDC and the FDA detect “unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine.”

Also this:

A disclaimer on the FAERS website here , explains that the FDA receives over 1 million reports of adverse events with drug or biologic products each year.

The FDA explains that while the reports are a “valuable source of information”, the system allows the potential submission of reports that are “incomplete, inaccurate, untimely, unverified”. Due to this, the FDA says that this data makes up only one part of its surveillance data and the data “does not confirm a causal relationship between the drug product and the reported adverse event(s).”

VERDICT

Misleading. The data shown for adverse events and deaths are from FAERS and VAERS data, which does MOT provide information on verified, causal cases. The information can be submitted by anyone and does not show causation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-faers-idUSL2N2OE1ZA
 
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Shero said:
......and maybe you should check this out !!



VAERS​

VAERS was created in 1988 and is co-managed by the CDC and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The system was created “to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines,” according to its website. The website further states that It is a “passive reporting system,” meaning that it depends on a person to report their post-vaccination experiences to the CDC and the FDA.

Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals must report certain adverse events, and vaccine manufacturers must report all adverse events that come to their attention. However, it is essential to remember that “VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem.” It is simply a self-reporting tool, which helps the CDC and the FDA detect “unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine.”

Also this:

A disclaimer on the FAERS website here , explains that the FDA receives over 1 million reports of adverse events with drug or biologic products each year.

The FDA explains that while the reports are a “valuable source of information”, the system allows the potential submission of reports that are “incomplete, inaccurate, untimely, unverified”. Due to this, the FDA says that this data makes up only one part of its surveillance data and the data “does not confirm a causal relationship between the drug product and the reported adverse event(s).”

VERDICT

Misleading. The data shown for adverse events and deaths are from FAERS and VAERS data, which does MOT provide information on verified, causal cases. The information can be submitted by anyone and does not show causation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-faers-idUSL2N2OE1ZA
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Thanks Shero, many of us know this already after all this time, but obviously some do not, or they reject the facts voluntarily and stick to fear mongering
 
SeaBreeze said:
Thanks Shero, many of us know this already after all this time, but obviously some do not, or they reject the facts voluntarily and stick to fear mongering
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The trouble with the anti vaxxers is this: once they draw a fanatical conclusion about the vaccine that could save their life, they then do two things: (1) look for evidence that reinforce their ridiculous belief and (2) ignore anything that runs contrary to that belief.
 
Some people are just plain idiots I swear when it comes to this issue. :cry: I'm not talking about those who don't vaccine for medical reasons either--they have a VALID excuse.

I'm tired of those who are adding to the death toll and infecting others by not vaccinning and catching this horrid disease! There personal freedoms are at risk? And what about the freedom of those others you kill by infecting them, huh? Is that a joke, too?

Quit being political about this and own up to helping our society LIVE!!
 
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Sentiment differs around the world and according to the control the government exercises over their population. Cuba has the highest vaccination rate, but they still had tremendous spikes July through now. Great Britain is about 85% vaccinated (over 12), and they still are struggling with spikes. China lies about it all, and the world will never know how many cases and deaths they have had. It is not going away... and the additional doses don't necessarily help with the newer strains. I guess the solution is to take boosters every 3-4 months for the rest of your life?
 
Ellen Marie said:
Sentiment differs around the world and according to the control the government exercises over their population. Cuba has the highest vaccination rate, but they still had tremendous spikes July through now. Great Britain is about 85% vaccinated (over 12), and they still are struggling with spikes. China lies about it all, and the world will never know how many cases and deaths they have had. It is not going away... and the additional doses don't necessarily help with the newer strains. I guess the solution is to take boosters every 3-4 months for the rest of your life?
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Yes, there are many questions to this. Where did you get those stats, btw?
 
Ruthanne said:
Some people are just plain idiots I swear when it comes to this issue. :cry: I'm not talking about those who don't vaccine for medical reasons either--they have a VALID excuse.

I'm tired of those who are adding to the death toll and infecting others by not vaccinning and catching this horrid disease! There personal freedoms are at risk? And what about the freedom of those others you kill by infecting them, huh? Is that a joke, too?

Quit being political about this and own up to helping our society LIVE!!
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Bravo Ruthanne 🌷
 
More than 6.8 billion doses of vaccine have been administered across 184 countries, according to data collected by Bloomberg. The latest rate was roughly 27.9 million doses a day.

In the U.S., 411 million doses have been given so far. In the last week, an average of 834,431 doses per day were administered.

If the anti vaxxers are waiting for their prophesy to come true, then all of these people should be dead by now.
 
I haven't gotten my booster.... I may not. Why? It isn't proven to be effective against Delta variant, and it is totally worthless with the Lambda variant..... "The newly emerging variants of SARS-CoV-2 from India (Delta variant) and South America (Lambda variant) have led to a higher infection rate of either vaccinated or unvaccinated people. We found that sera from Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine remain high reactivity toward the receptor binding domain (RBD) of Delta variant while it drops dramatically toward that of Lambda variant. Interestingly, the overall titer of antibodies of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinated individuals drops 3-fold after 6 months, which could be one of major reasons for breakthrough infections, emphasizing the importance of potential third boost shot. While a therapeutic antibody, Bamlanivimab, decreases binding affinity to Delta variant by ~20 fold, it fully lost binding to Lambda variant. Structural modeling of complexes of RBD with human receptor, Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE2), and Bamlanivimab suggest the potential basis of the change of binding. The data suggest possible danger and a potential surge of Lambda variant in near future" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34462744/
 
The link with vaccine rates by CNN is not very good. It doesn't tell a whole lot. It has mistakes on it for sure that are easily identifiable.

Let's not be ALARMIST! The vaccines have proven to help those who get them to not be seriously ill if they get covid. Of course as also already determined the vaccines are not foolproof but a HELLUVA LOT better than not getting it!! So, die if you must but hopefully I won't and those who have gotten the vaccines and boosters will prevail.

That national library link is also not very reliable. Try and go by the USA reports. They seem to be the most reliable.
 

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