There are two basics facts which need to be accepted.

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OneEyedDiva said:
What if someone has both *******ia between his/her legs? I have a friend who is intersex (the old term is hermaphrodite). It took her mother a long time to tell her that. Perhaps the male part of her anatomy wasn't that pronounced or perhaps she didn't realize everyone wasn't built like her. But the catalyst that triggered her finding out was her wondering why she couldn't have children. Also she had been married. Although we are friends, I never asked how her ex-husband responded to her anatomical anomaly.
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I'm not sure what you're commenting on. Being both sexes, or which sex you are for a male/female segregated competition.
In my little brain, I think a sex is like a computer. *******s are the hard wired part, and software is the emotional, self aware part. Plus, this is a biological process, there will be a continuum of outcomes from X to Y, with about 80% falling in between. This goes for shoe sizes to being male/female.
 

The whole process.... if they are trying to change is not as easy or simple as they try to suggest.

I recently had the opportunity to read/ hear the story of a young woman.
She was in her words confused and mentally distressed .... she began the process and had her breasts removed..... started taking the hormone regimen and that is when the trouble began ........
Many end up with severe heart/ kidney and liver issues from taking the opposite hormones...... this is true of almost all people starting to take the opposite sex hormones.
Having to stop the drugs she found counseling and now is hoping to recover her health enough to get implants to correct this as she put NIGHTMARE.
She begged anyone who listens to make sure if they know someone to get serious mental health help before making the errors she did...
Never had it been so clear as to why so many attempt or even succeed committing suicide.
 
Medusa said:
Studies have suggested that in times of stress(environmental, food availability, species over-population) a portion of in utero embryos acquire a greater leaning toward becoming homo sexual, thus reducing the breading population.
I would love to read that as it sounds fascinating. Would you mind sending me a link (here or my profile) if you still have it, please? :)
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I had read that many years ago, I'll search for any follow-up studies.
 
Medusa said:
Studies have suggested that in times of stress(environmental, food availability, species over-population) a portion of in utero embryos acquire a greater leaning toward becoming homo sexual, thus reducing the breading population.
I would love to read that as it sounds fascinating. Would you mind sending me a link (here or my profile) if you still have it, please? :)
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Here's what I'm finding, so far:
From a strictly Darwinian viewpoint, homosexuality shouldn't still be around. It isn't the best way to pass along one's genes, and to complicate the picture further, no "gay genes" have even been identified. According to a newly released hypothesis, the explanation may not lie in DNA itself. Instead, as an embryo develops, sex-related genes are turned on and off in response to fluctuating levels of hormones in the womb, produced by both mother and child. This tug of war benefits the unborn child, keeping male or female development on a steady course even amid spikes in hormones. But if these so-called epigenetic changes persist once the child is born and has children of its own, some of those offspring may be homosexual, the study proposes.
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And to think that Canada spent millions of dollars on building "gender neutral" toilets. I don't know about you guys and gals, but when I go to the "little boy's room" I sure as hack don't try to peek over the stall to see what gender the next person to me is that is making all those awful noises. Good Grief!

As for me, I have absolutely no problem with gender. When I look for a bathroom, I look for the sign that says, MEN. When in Mexico I always used the door that said, "Hombres." Sometimes, in Mexico or Spain, I would see a sign that said, CABALLERO. Boy, did I ever feel special and proud to enter that door. That is because a Caballero is a Spanish knight, a gentleman and even a cavalier! But I don't know what the Spanish for "gender neutral" would be? Maybe down in sunny Mexico they don't worry abot such things. Only in Canada; a pity!
 
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Packerjohn said:
I don't know what the Spanish for "gender neutral" would be? Maybe down in sunny Mexico they don't worry abot such things.
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Don't know the word either, but I had an interesting, kind of related, experience.

When I was young I used to travel in Mexico a lot, an interesting close by place that was very inexpensive. I was in a bar one night, I was the only American in the place. People were very nice to me by the way, I really enjoyed it.

At that time the only women who went into bars like this one were prostitutes. The "bathroom" consisted of a wall at the far end of the bar that you could urinate against.

A person dressed as a woman, who I had assumed was a woman, walked up next to me at the wall/urinal, raised her skirt, and underneath she was no woman. The guy on the other side of me saw my shock. He poked me in the ribs and say laughingly "un queer".

Not sure that was real Spanish, or quite what the lady/man considered her/himself. What I did notice was that the folks in the bar were much more accepting of the person than we'd have been in the US.
 
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I remember a comedian talking about the right for gay people to be married.

He said, "I don't understand these people who hate gay folks and don't want them to be married. If they REALLY hate them, they should LET them get married...then they will know what real torture is truly like!!!"
 
I wish I could say I understand the transgender issue, I don't.

But this much I know...our entire society is WAY too fixated on sexuality.

Doesn't matter what your sexuality is, no matter what, it can only be a very small percentage of what makes your life worthwhile.

It seems like people think if they suddenly discover that they are a man or a woman, that is going to solve all their problems.

If you are a woman, who wants to become a man....I am already a man. Let me tell you the 9000 ways that being a man is no picnic, whatsoever.

I have no clue why someone would want to invest so much, in something that can only provide a bit of identity.


If you want real happiness in life...that goes to peace inside. And learning how to be happy and fulfilled. You can get some of that through counseling and through a spiritual search. But surgery is not going to provide that.

I never had those feelings. I don't know what that means. I want to be sympathetic to everyone. But I do know, that just becoming a man or just becoming a woman, is hardly going to solve all our life problems.
 
Jeni said:
The whole process.... if they are trying to change is not as easy or simple as they try to suggest.

I recently had the opportunity to read/ hear the story of a young woman.
She was in her words confused and mentally distressed .... she began the process and had her breasts removed..... started taking the hormone regimen and that is when the trouble began ........
Many end up with severe heart/ kidney and liver issues from taking the opposite hormones...... this is true of almost all people starting to take the opposite sex hormones.
Having to stop the drugs she found counseling and now is hoping to recover her health enough to get implants to correct this as she put NIGHTMARE.
She begged anyone who listens to make sure if they know someone to get serious mental health help before making the errors she did...
Never had it been so clear as to why so many attempt or even succeed committing suicide.
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"...this is true of almost all people starting to take the opposite sex hormones."

This is true of anyone taking hormone therapy, including the current 22% of postmenopausal women on HRT Therapy who must be more carefully monitored for breast and cervical cancers, increased risk of heart attack and stroke. etc. That's what medical monitoring is for.

I'm sorry for this poor confused woman, but it hardly speaks to an entire group of individuals.
 
JonSR77 said:
I wish I could say I understand the transgender issue, I don't.
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I agree, but I did have a recent experience that has made me more accepting.

I grew up in the Bible Belt South (US) and learned that homosexuality was a prevision and evil, did not know transgender even existed until years later. Its hard to shake the things you learn growing up. I am probably still not 100% comfortable with homosexuality. However I do now know that's my problem not someone else's. One thing that has helped is meeting gay people or finding out people I already knew were gay. A quick and effective way to learn that they are just people like the rest of us.

Transgender is another thing, never really knew one, until recently. A good friend of mine has/had a son, Charles. I liked Charles but he was always withdrawn and not very communicative. A couple of years ago my friend called to tell me that she and her son would be passing by and wanted to come visit.

My friend warned me that Charles was now Caz, a woman, and mostly done with the transition. Have to say I was a bit shocked and apprehensive about the visit. When they got here I found Caz a much more confident and communicative person than Charles ever was. Actually someone I liked. And she was pretty open in talking about the difficulties she had growing up in a small town in Wyoming. An interesting person.

Same lesson again, just getting to know people like Caz makes a big difference in how I feel about it all. Still harbor a bit of discomfort with the idea, though not with Caz. Guess the thoughts of what the operation might do to someone like me are hard to shake, LOL.
 
Jeni said:
to get serious mental health help before making the errors she did...
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Not sure how long ago this person was starting to transition, lots of counselling is required here before the doctors will accept you. One of the grandkids is transitioning and seems very confident in the choice. All the family can do is to give support or, as a minimum, not be negative. There was a bit of that in the beginning.
 
whatever is going on, these people do suffer quite a bit. and that is enormously disturbing...


Transgender people and suicide

Transgender (trans) people face unique stressors, including the stress some trans people experience when their gender identity is not affirmed. Trans people also experience higher rates of discrimination and harassment than their cisgender counterparts and, as a result, experience poorer mental health outcomes. They are also at a greater risk for suicide as they are twice as likely to think about and attempt suicide than LGB people (Haas et al., 2011; McNeill et al., 2017; Irwin et al., 2014).

https://www.suicideinfo.ca/resource/trans-fact-sheet/​

 
PFLAG - Counseling for the LGBTQ+ community (by the LGBTQ+ community)...

PFLAG is the United States' first and largest organization uniting parents, families, and allies with people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ+). PFLAG National is the national organization, which provides support to the PFLAG network of local chapters. PFLAG has over 400 chapters across the United States, with more than 200,000 members and supporters.

https://pflag.org/

PFLAG does also have some international chapters:

https://pflag.org/intlfamilygroups
 
JonSR77 said:
Trans people also experience higher rates of discrimination and harassment than their cisgender counterparts and, as a result, experience poorer mental health outcomes. They are also at a greater risk for suicide as they are twice as likely to think about and attempt suicide than LGB people
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Interesting study.

Do you suppose those who have the feelings but don't make the transitions fare any better. Denying yourself is pretty stressful as well. I think it would be a useful statistic for anyone contemplating the transition. Is it likely to make me better or worse.

As I said I don't understand this much at all, but reading this thread has helped, a little anyway.
 
Jules said:
Not sure how long ago this person was starting to transition, lots of counselling is required here before the doctors will accept you. One of the grandkids is transitioning and seems very confident in the choice. All the family can do is to give support or, as a minimum, not be negative. There was a bit of that in the beginning.
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she is in Finland but this was within last 18 months........... People in her words did not provide the counseling i always thought was part of the plan..as well from her standpoint to many just cheerleaders in process not making the person look deeper.
Wish i could find a way to copy her story to share as it was alarming.
Makes me wonder ...because this would NOT be the first time ...the process did not work as it is suppose to.
 
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The gender issue is becoming an albatross. If our chromosomes don't determine our sex I don't know what does. 🤔 I'm XX. This makes me a woman and no one, no matter how much they might wish to be XX can be a woman if they were born XY. They are biological males.
 

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