Guess how many same sex marriages in the USA.

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Supreme Court and abortion and same sex marriage .... Our mid-term election results will write a lot of this story; however, too many 'average' Americans do not bother voting in the little (local, primaries and off-year) elections leaving the story to be written by radicals.

Most of the things affecting our everyday life are decided by the winners of the small elections - county and state - and voter turnout is usually low.
 
If the USSC reverses itself on same sex marriages, it would only apply prospectively. Marriages entered into after the positive ruling can not be voided, they would stand.
 

Divorce of same-sex couples​

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Massachusetts, the first U.S. state to allow same-sex marriage, does not track how many of the divorces in the state are between same-sex couples.[23] A 2011 study for states with available data initially reported that the dissolution rates for same-sex couples were slightly lower on average (on average, 1.1% of all same-sex couples were said to divorce each year, ranging from 0% to 1.8% in various jurisdictions) than divorce rates of different-sex couples (2% of whom divorce annually).[24] The Washington Post retracted a headline about this report because the study had incorrectly calculated the percentage due to an error in capturing when the same-sex marriages began. As a result, the corrected findings show a 2% divorce rate for same-sex couples—the same as opposite-sex couples.[25]

Some studies have shown that lesbian committed relationships do not last as long as gay male committed relationships.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
from 0 in 1997, guess what the Census Bureau says is the number of gay marriages in 2019?
593,000
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I am glad for this, however I think we missed an opportunity to redefine what marriage means legally.

Seems to me we should drop the current legal definition or status of marriage and let people develop their own personal contracts of marriage, or whatever people want to call it. I do not see the need for the government to get involved in defining marriage. Without that we'd have never had the problem of gay people not being able to marry.

Conventional heterosexual marriage, gay marriage, polygamous, polyamorous, or whatever I see no need to have the government involved in what consenting adults want to do.

Contracts can define the legal arrangements.
 
Alligatorob said:
I am glad for this, however I think we missed an opportunity to redefine what marriage means legally.

Seems to me we should drop the current legal definition or status of marriage and let people develop their own personal contracts of marriage, or whatever people want to call it. I do not see the need for the government to get involved in defining marriage. Without that we'd have never had the problem of gay people not being able to marry.

Conventional heterosexual marriage, gay marriage, polygamous, polyamorous, or whatever I see no need to have the government involved in what consenting adults want to do.

Contracts can define the legal arrangements.
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Government intervention into marriage has caused a lot of the "need" for same sex marriage. Let's say two people choose to spend their lives living together and don't marry. If one suddenly falls ill, the partner cannot make medical decisions because they aren't "married". If a partner dies and the partner isn't specifically named in the will, there is not a spousal passing of assets as there is in a "legal marriage". There is a special IRS tax advantage for married vs. not married.

All of this could be solved by a simple legal document that is NOT a "marriage license".

"Marriage License"... My wife and I were married in 1966. She had just turned 19. I was 19 and would turn 20 sixty days after our marriage date. At that time in our State, women were "of age" at 18. Men... at 21. So, being under 21, I had to have my parents signature to get a marriage license. About a year ago, we needed a certified copy of our marriage license from the State. When it arrived, certainly recognized my Mother's signature on the license. Times have changed...... :>)
 
I can't add anything re: the percentage of same-sex vs. straight divorces but I will share a story of two families:

My Partner's Family:
  • 2 sons, both gay (my partner and I are together for over 30 years. His brother is not in a relationship.)
  • 1 daughter (divorced)

My SIL's Husband's Family:
  • 3 sons, 1 gay and 2 straight
  • 1 daughter.

Both families are Filipino. My SIL's husband's parents are devout Catholics.
  • Their gay son has been with his partner for over 30 years.
  • Their daughter, who married an East Indian and was practically extricated from the family for it, is still married to him for over 20 years.
  • Both of their straight sons are now divorced from their wives. (One of them from my sister-in-law).
I guess my point is that religious views on what is right and wrong don't necessarily predict longevity in a relationship. And maybe adversity (people saying it is wrong) actually helps to keep couples together.
 
Alligatorob said:
I am glad for this, however I think we missed an opportunity to redefine what marriage means legally.

Seems to me we should drop the current legal definition or status of marriage and let people develop their own personal contracts of marriage, or whatever people want to call it. I do not see the need for the government to get involved in defining marriage. Without that we'd have never had the problem of gay people not being able to marry.

Conventional heterosexual marriage, gay marriage, polygamous, polyamorous, or whatever I see no need to have the government involved in what consenting adults want to do.

Contracts can define the legal arrangements.
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I have thought along the same lines. Three big issues seemed to be about property rights, insurance policies, and who has say (even visitation rights) in hospitalized partners. The government sticks its nose in whenever money is potentially involved. Polygamy brings issues if children are involved (applies to all other arrangements as well). But still, I think a set of personal contract arrangements that follow certain guidelines are not beyond reason.
 
Knew many gay men who were just friends, and gave no indication of anything else. Living in NYC is impossible without knowing gay & lesbian people. When I was younger I knew as many gay folks as straight.
 
oldman said:
I have often wondered, do all gay men have sex with one another?
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As a gay man, I can answer absolutely not. Do all straight people have sex with one another? Not being facetious, but it works pretty much the same way. If you are attracted to someone you might have sex with them. If not, no way, and I have not been attracted to the majority of gay men I have met over the years. I have also honored the sanctity of my 30 year relationship.

I'm glad you asked the question because in looking at some of the media reports and Pride parades one could think that gay life is just one big orgy. There are many of us that don't fit that mold. We are not a monolith, just like straight people are not a monolith.
 
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