Immigrants are flooding into the U.S.

They are coming here seeking asylum. If eligible they can remain here until their hearing. These people are walking here because of desperation. They would rather stay in their own country but many feel they are facing their demise and have no other choice. What would you do?
 

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Many of you seem to miss a key point here. What is happening at the Southern Border is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! Not immigration! Our Congress has developed laws for immigration to the United States. Many immigrants are admitted to our country every day following our laws for immigration.

Those that break those laws should be put in jail and returned to where they came from. If we as citizens do not like the laws written for immigration, then tell your Congressional Representative to fix those laws, but don't support this continued invasion of our country by illegals. Or better yet demand our government stop the illegals from entering into the USA.
 

Disgustedman said:
I actually worked for a guy who immigrated legally. Oh he was not happy about people "Cutting in line" he'd talk about how he'd come with his family, Dad and mom working.

He finished high school, started trucking, became a trainer for company drivers. Retired, now had his own milling shop. And he was training his 2nd in command to speak Hispanic.
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Exactly! Illegals are an insult to the people who came here legally.

caroln said:
Is it possible that some parents are handing their children over to a couple that agree to get them out of the Ukraine by passing them off as their own children? And then plan to reunite as soon as they (the parents) can get out themselves? It may sound far-fetched but maybe if they were desperate enough they might do it.
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That's most likely what it is.
JimBob1952 said:
I don't know how true that is. Every construction site, roofing crew, kitchen, landscaping crew, house cleaner seems to be staffed with people from Mexico or South/Central America. I used to disagree when people said "they are doing the jobs that Americans won't do" but now I think it's absolutely true.
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Yup, and even when you go to stores and ask someone for help half of them don't even speak English. I mean not a bit of English. How are you working around the public and can't speak a drop of English? I at least learned SOME German when I lived in Switzerland. I didn't think it was right to be there and not put in the effort to at least learn the language.
Jean-Paul said:
Tales of Immigration 1880...2022

1880s Nikola Tesla and Charles Steinmetz electrical engineer, mathematician and inventors emigrate to NY, learn English. for decades their inventions and work dominated the field of electric engineering we still use their work every day.

1930s Nuclear scientists flee East Europe and Germany as Hitler rises to power. They each immigrate to the USA, learn English and become citizens. Later each one works 2 to win WWII and the Cold War...and start a nuclear power industry. They made many Nobel prize level discoveries, and we still use their brilliant work.
Eg Enrico Fermi, Edward Teller, Eugene Winger, Stanislaus Ulam, Johnny Von Neumann....

1900 Great grandparents emigrate from Russia/ Poland emigrate to NYC, via Ellis Island
All learned English from scratch and were naturalized. Started a factory and other businesses in NY

1981, sponsored Polish family from Warsaw emigrate to USA, political asylum.
Lots of paperwork and responsibility Now USA citizens.

2015..beurocracy for papers in EU, medical exam, tons of documentation, many interviews at Police, many years of work for permanent papers!

Just the ramblings of an old retired EE

Jon
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The key word is immigrated. They didn't come here illegally. Most of us are talking about illegal aliens and people are telling stories about people who immigrated here legally. It's a distraction from the real issue. No one has a problem with people coming here legally.
Illegal aliens don't respect the laws of this nation or else they wouldn't come here illegally, so what makes people think they will respect the other laws once they get here? They have to keep breaking the law every day to not get caught.
 
The governors of Texas and Florida are allowing illegals to enter our country and then sending them to other states. WTF?!! I think Arizona is doing that, too! Those governors need to be locked up for helping people break the law and creating a crisis!
 
Timewise 60+ said:
I would fight for my country. Not run into some other country...
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I don't think you appreciate what's happening in Venezuela. They are having a humanity disaster years in the making. They are walking thousands of miles in a last ditch effort to survive. It's not a decision of choice! I think you're assuming they have kind of functioning democracy but they don't. There own army is against them. Would you join the army to help kill off your brother?

To them its not about whether it legal or not it's about hope.
 
Victoria said:
What I want to know is how are people who come here illegally able to move about in society without a SSN? How are they enrolling their kids in school, getting jobs and cars and loans etc without a SSN?
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You raised my curiosity so I looked it up and found:

Q: How can illegal immigrants get Social Security? They don't pay taxes!

A: That’s a common misconception. According to estimates from the Social Security Administration’s Chief Actuary, three-quarters of “other-than-legal” immigrants have payroll taxes withheld.

Q: How can payroll taxes be withheld if illegals don’t have a Social Security number?

A: Immigration law forbids working in this country without legal authorization and a Social Security Number (SSN). Yet millions of “undocumented” immigrant workers are earning income. Illegals often get jobs by using illegally obtained, forged, or invalid Social Security numbers. Employers in turn withhold payroll taxes and report the earnings to the Social Security Administration (SSA) using those numbers. When the numbers don’t match up with the numbers issued by SSA, they go into a special file called the “Earnings Suspense File.” Valid numbers issued from the U.S. government are also misused.

https://seniorsleague.org/how-undocumented-workers-are-becoming-entitled-to-social-security/
 
1955 said:
I don't think you appreciate what's happening in Venezuela. They are having a humanity disaster years in the making. They are walking thousands of miles in a last ditch effort to survive. It's not a decision of choice! I think you're assuming they have kind of functioning democracy but they don't. There own army is against them. Would you join the army to help kill off your brother?

To them its not about whether it legal or not it's about hope.
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That's true. They're fleeing crises in their home countries and creating a crisis in our country.
 
SeniorBen said:
The governors of Texas and Florida are allowing illegals to enter our country and then sending them to other states. WTF?!! I think Arizona is doing that, too! Those governors need to be locked up for helping people break the law and creating a crisis!
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I love Slapstick!! Well done! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
1955 said:
I don't think you appreciate what's happening in Venezuela. They are having a humanity disaster years in the making.
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Unfortunately it's a disaster in which Venezuelans were complicit......they voted for Chavez because he promised them free shit......they got shit all right, but it wasn't the shit they were hoping for.......and it's been downhill since then.

And, because so many in the Western world seem to believe that TINSTAAFL doesn't apply to them, things are escalating downhill.
 
This flood of immigrants will only create major problems....especially for the SW states. California, for example, will soon have a "Latino" majority, and AZ and NM aren't far behind.
 
Those are 'undocumented migrants'. That's how you are supposed to say it.

There are 2 problems. One is that is it not fair, in any way whatsoever that some migrate here through legal means, like my wife. It takes time, a lot of work, and money to do do. Then how is it fair that someone just walks right in and bypass all of that?

2nd, migration is great. But it's not how it used to be. Used to be, when you came you had to work hard. Now, a lot who come here illegally do work hard. The problem is that anyone who wants to can just skip all that work stuff and get free everything, if they want. And guess who gets to pay for that? It ain't free.
 
First, this whole thing is a mess plus our gov is politically incapacitated at the moment because nobody can get along.

I think most of these people are seeking asylum which under our law differentiates them from migrants or immigrants. They are not seeking citizenship but rather protection – two different processes.
 
1955 said:
I don't think you appreciate what's happening in Venezuela. They are having a humanity disaster years in the making. They are walking thousands of miles in a last ditch effort to survive. It's not a decision of choice! I think you're assuming they have kind of functioning democracy but they don't. There own army is against them. Would you join the army to help kill off your brother?

To them its not about whether it legal or not it's about hope.
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1955 you assume too much! I would fight the enemy! If that be our own military, so be it. Like my father and his father, I would willingly put my life on the line to fight for what I believe in... If you look over history, people in most all countries that had to fight, knew exactly who the enemy was, regardless of them being fellow countrymen or external forces. The difficulty for some, is putting your life on the line against a very powerful source, especially if you know you surely may be killed.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
1955 you assume too much!
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I don't think so.

It’s up to our courts if their asylum claims are valid. I’m just explaining why they’re coming here. I’m not the one to judge whether someone should fight or not. Look at the chaos that occurred on the 6th. People were ready to fight for what they believed in. How do you or I judge who was right or wrong. Thankfully democracy prevailed & the court system will try & figure what to do.

In other countries these kind of things go out of control so which side do you pick? It’s not always a clear choice so some of the people decide to seek asylums because they are more interested in preserving their family. Obviously if there were no countries that offered asylum (like in the old days) they wouldn’t have that choice.
 
hollydolly said:
see, they say the same here.. and I can understand they might be right here. Barely anyone wants to go back breaking potato picking etc.. for minimum wage .. when they can stay at home and collect dole... ..

However I might be wrong but I don't think the USA dishes out dole to the population the way the Uk does, if they've never worked ... .. hence waiting staff working for $2 dollars an hour ( or low wages whatever it may be).. and tips..

So people who will work for low wages like that will almost certainly work for the wages that Mexican's and south Americans' are working for... so I think the argument, where it refers to illegal Immigrants / legal Immigrants.. working jobs that Americans' won't do.. falls flat on it's face..
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Waitstaff is a different issue altogether. A waiter or waitress in a good restaurant can make $30 to $40 an hour in tips. But that means being able to speak good English, interact with the customers, "upsell" the menu, and do other things requiring a certain level of skill.

Roofing, construction, cleaning houses etc. pay decent wages, but the work is hard. I really think most Americans just don't want to do that kind of thing anymore. Young people spend all their time on their phones. They want to develop games or be social medial influencers.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Waitstaff is a different issue altogether. A waiter or waitress in a good restaurant can make $30 to $40 an hour in tips.
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Going back, maybe 54 years, one of the guys I shared a house with was a waiter in a steakhouse in Toronto. In his room he had one of those big olive oil cans into which he threw his coins, (pennies not included), when he came home.

One Sunday, he and I being the only two home, we lugged the heavy can up into the main room and spilled the cash onto the floor and began counting.....we'd arrived at a substantial amount (for those days) before the phone rang and someone mentioned a party.

Back in the can......yeah, he made good money.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Waitstaff is a different issue altogether. A waiter or waitress in a good restaurant can make $30 to $40 an hour in tips. But that means being able to speak good English, interact with the customers, "upsell" the menu, and do other things requiring a certain level of skill.

Roofing, construction, cleaning houses etc. pay decent wages, but the work is hard. I really think most Americans just don't want to do that kind of thing anymore. Young people spend all their time on their phones. They want to develop games or be social medial influencers.
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I've stopped having needed home repairs done. Even terminated my lawn service and have gone back to tending lawn myself. Almost without exception the work I was contracting for was done by cash or personal check. None of them had a "business" per se nor could I get a written estimate of work on a company letterhead. Obviously, none of the money being paid for services was on the books and not reportable as income and therefore not subject to taxes.

It is apparent to me, at least here in Texas, that there is a massive underground system of unreported income. But, yeah, those of us "in the system" keep getting slammed with higher taxes to offset this unreported income. Again, nobody in government seems to give a rip. Personally I'm sick of the whole darned thing. But, tough luck Mr. Taxpaying citizen (e.g., me), suck it up and gut it out.
 
It's off the books as there are no valid social security numbers to go with names in many instances. My off the books friends (usually dealers) always had a "real" job, even major careers, as well, to be legit on some level.
 
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1955 said:
I don't think so.

It’s up to our courts if their asylum claims are valid. I’m just explaining why they’re coming here. I’m not the one to judge whether someone should fight or not. Look at the chaos that occurred on the 6th. People were ready to fight for what they believed in. How do you or I judge who was right or wrong. Thankfully democracy prevailed & the court system will try & figure what to do.

In other countries these kind of things go out of control so which side do you pick? It’s not always a clear choice so some of the people decide to seek asylums because they are more interested in preserving their family. Obviously if there were no countries that offered asylum (like in the old days) they wouldn’t have that choice.
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The rush at the border has both those that say they are seeking Asylum and many that do not! Addtionally, not all come from countries that would warrant a claim for needing asylum. Many are law breakers running from being captured.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
The rush at the border has both those that say they are seeking Asylum and many that do not! Addtionally, not all come from countries that would warrant a claim for needing asylum. Many are law breakers running from being captured.
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Yeah I don’t know the mix but thought the big surge were the people from Venezuela. The illegal immigrants and drug runners should be dealt the maximum law that we can apply.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
The rush at the border has both those that say they are seeking Asylum and many that do not! Addtionally, not all come from countries that would warrant a claim for needing asylum. Many are law breakers running from being captured.
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I'm pretty sure that is why wanting entry thru controlled points isn't being used by expectant mothers, a large quantity of single males, those with health problems & those with no skills. Then there is the minor detail of those other than Mexico NOT APPLYING in the 1st country they enter.
 
A 100,000 refugees show up at the border, what do we do? Of course, there "illegal", but a mere change in the law could make them "legal". We could let the bastards wither and die where they stand. It is odd that our populations are growing smaller, effecting our economic future, so we need human beings to prevent that, but we should turn away humans, because they aren't home grown ones? One of the dire predictions about climate change is population displacement. I don't know about Europe, but in the Central America, beside narcotics and poverty, the climate is changing. Farms are failing. This region is extremely subject to increased temperature changes. https://theyearsproject.com/latest/climate-change-is-hitting-central-america-hard-here039s-why
I fear what is a trickle, now, will be vast horde when the effects of climate change become widespread.
 

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