You live alone ? Do you keep a gun in your residence ?

Buckeye said:
The best advise I got was, if you are out on the course when a thunder/lightening storm blows in, hold up your 1 iron. Not even God can hit a 1 iron...
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The weird thing is that after 12 years I've finally learned how to drive the ball. I can putt a little. It's everything in between that I mess up.
 

win231 said:
And many religious fanatics believe there is never a justification for killing anyone, even in self defense. You are supposed to let anyone hurt or kill you; "It's God's will." That's why they think no one should own a gun.
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Huh? The Court has never even hinted at outlawing all guns, and they never will because the Constitution is crystal clear on the right to keep and bear arms. I assure you that I am not religious, but I do read stories about classrooms of kids mowed down with an AR and some jerk leaning out his hotel window mowing down a crowd of people with a bump stock. I can’t imagine ANTIFA rioters armed with AR15s, a Jan 6 crowd similarly armed, or another loon mowing down children with his assault rifle or bump stock. I am perfectly OK with limiting military style weapons to the police and military, and that opinion has NOTHING to do with politics or religion, just common sense.
 
ElCastor said:
Huh? The Court has never even hinted at outlawing all guns, and they never will because the Constitution is crystal clear on the right to keep and bear arms. I assure you that I am not religious, but I do read stories about classrooms of kids mowed down with an AR and some jerk leaning out his hotel window mowing down a crowd of people with a bump stock. I can’t imagine ANTIFA rioters armed with AR15s, a Jan 6 crowd similarly armed, or another loon mowing down children with his assault rifle or bump stock. I am perfectly OK with limiting military style weapons to the police and military, and that opinion has NOTHING to do with politics or religion, just common sense.
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The actions of a few crazies do not dictate how I choose to live my life or my self defense choices.
I'm sure you wouldn't call for a ban on all doctors, based on some crazy ones. Like this one who murdered at least 60 - without an assault rifle: (he killed more innocents than the Las Vegas shooter)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...chael_Swango&usg=AOvVaw3RPW65ldEIRHcN_5rqR7o4

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...st-elsewhere&usg=AOvVaw207vzQgPa6Hz06j9dtN8Yj

Michael Joseph Swango is an American serial killer and former physician who is estimated to have been involved in as many as 60 fatal poisonings of patients and colleagues, although he admitted to causing only four deaths.
 

ElCastor said:
You can defend your home with a short barreled 12 gauge pump. If you need a machine gun, hand grenades, or a mortar, maybe you should consider moving.
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1. You do not decide my self defense choices. I do. (Though I'm sure you wish you could)
2. You might consider improving your reading. I've said previously, I have no interest in machine guns or any of your other exaggerated nonsense. It speaks volumes that you can only make your point with asinine exaggerations.
 
win231 said:
1. You do not decide my self defense choices. I do. (Though I'm sure you wish you could)
2. You might consider improving your reading. I've said previously, I have no interest in machine guns or any of your other exaggerated nonsense. It speaks volumes that you can only make your point with asinine exaggerations.
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My point is, and always has been, that the courts and legislation are the ultimate arbiters of what weapons citizens, police, and the military can arm themselves with. Do you agree?
 
ElCastor said:
My point is, and always has been, that the courts and legislation are the ultimate arbiters of what weapons citizens, police, and the military can arm themselves with. Do you agree?
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They can, within the limits of the 2nd amendment, as defined by the SCOTUS. And for now, it is not likely that a ban on semi-auto weapons will get past the current court. So why waste your time arguing for something that isn't likely to happen?
 
Buckeye said:
They can, within the limits of the 2nd amendment, as defined by the SCOTUS. And for now, it is not likely that a ban on semi-auto weapons will get past the current court. So why waste your time arguing for something that isn't likely to happen?
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Agreed, but I am trying to get across that I believe that bump stocks and assault rifles are not protected by the Second Amendment, and could and should be outlawed for sale to, and possession by, other than the military and law enforcement. If they are outlawed it seems likely that the Supreme Court will ultimately be required to rule. Needless to say I would support such legislation and hope and believe (but do not know for certain) that the SC would find it Constitutional. If this aggravates the admirers and owners of these weapons, so be it, but I am not going to change my opinion unless the courts change it for me. Signing out!!
 
ElCastor said:
Agreed, but I am trying to get across that I believe that bump stocks and assault rifles are not protected by the Second Amendment, and could and should be outlawed for sale to, and possession by, other than the military and law enforcement. If they are outlawed it seems likely that the Supreme Court will ultimately be required to rule. Needless to say I would support such legislation and hope and believe (but do not know for certain) that the SC would find it Constitutional. If this aggravates the admirers and owners of these weapons, so be it, but I am not going to change my opinion unless the courts change it for me. Signing out!!
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The reason you're obsessed with "Assault Rifles" is because you lack knowledge about what an Assault Rifle is. The use of the term "Assault Rifle" is media - generated to cover any rifle that doesn't look like a hunting rifle to create hysteria, & it worked.....for the ignorant.
The AR-15 is not an assault rifle, since it is semi auto. The M-16 is an assault rifle since it's fully automatic.
 
Indiana Joe said:
This "training" stuff is nonsense. Many, many a senior citizen may not be able to pass some test or other, so that means their lives are over when the predators come after them? Hundreds, at least that number of senior citizens, have saved their lives with guns. Matter of fact, the average woman who is not interested in guns, so therefore has no license, cannot use a gun her husband has placed in the house for her protection when he is not home? Even when some monster begins kicking in her door with the object of raping her?

You people who are in denial regarding the reality of one's chances of being a victim are truly coldblooded in your efforts of a demanded agenda wherein everyone crosses their fingers in hopes that violence doesn't befall them.
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I can carry by law in my state without the training and enhanced carry license. Can have any number of firearms in my vehicle or home without training.

The training was for an enhanced carry license that is honored in all but 15 other states. Since I travel out of state frequently, I wanted to take advantage of the reciprocity advantages of the enhanced license.
 
jimintoronto said:
How many people ( on this forum ) who live alone, have a gun ? JimB.
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Don't. Won't. Why?
1. I pay the police to protect me.
2. I have grandkids. I hate it when some people's babies pick up a gun and it goes off.
3. People are sad. I don't want my weapon used to end their life.
4. There are too many already
5. We are the only country where this is even a question... (do you have a gun?)
 
Out in the country there are no police. We have 2 sheriffs & and one will be home sleeping while the other is on duty. Both cell & radio coverage is poor so the likely hood of a quick response is not so good depending where the sheriff is. Most people here keep a gun handy.
 
Conce said:
Don't. Won't. Why?
1. I pay the police to protect me.
2. I have grandkids. I hate it when some people's babies pick up a gun and it goes off.
3. People are sad. I don't want my weapon used to end their life.
4. There are too many already
5. We are the only country where this is even a question... (do you have a gun?)
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6. A poor choice in gun or ammunition will fire a bullet that will pass through walls and kill a neighbor.
 
win231 said:
1. You do not decide my self defense choices. I do. (Though I'm sure you wish you could)
2. You might consider improving your reading. I've said previously, I have no interest in machine guns or any of your other exaggerated nonsense. It speaks volumes that you can only make your point with asinine exaggerations.
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How about bump stocks? Should bump stocks be banned. A simple yes or no will do.
 
Conce said:
Don't. Won't. Why?
1. I pay the police to protect me.
2. I have grandkids. I hate it when some people's babies pick up a gun and it goes off.
3. People are sad. I don't want my weapon used to end their life.
4. There are too many already
5. We are the only country where this is even a question... (do you have a gun?)
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Best of luck relying on the police to protect you. You might be better informed & more in tune with reality after reading this:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjWy9XQl5j8AhU-EkQIHZbABFUQFnoECAoQAQ&url=https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again&usg=AOvVaw0hyLbU5Crong9mwJjrlQDy

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjWy9XQl5j8AhU-EkQIHZbABFUQFnoECAgQAQ&url=https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html&usg=AOvVaw1sGksZPnxp9raiBxIpAgkW

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjWy9XQl5j8AhU-EkQIHZbABFUQFnoECBUQAQ&url=https://fee.org/articles/just-dial-911-the-myth-of-police-protection/&usg=AOvVaw3XDn8YgIKxzSWzg7s2_BmP
 
Buckeye said:
You keep talking about this. Please provide links to such an event.
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https://www.koamnewsnow.com/news/cr...cle_790d1a6c-968d-5cf4-8358-205a4c4b4047.html
https://people.com/crime/7-year-old...llegedly-drunkenly-fires-bullet-through-wall/
https://patch.com/virginia/woodbrid...-shoots-gun-through-wall-hits-neighbor-police
https://komonews.com/news/local/man-hurt-when-bullet-punches-through-apartment-wall-in-newcastle
https://www.krem.com/article/news/c...wall/293-ef1e012a-baae-4a24-a7ac-a2bdf6f206b3
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/122183.html
https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/handgun-bullet-penetration-through-interior-walls
https://myfox8.com/news/crime/greensboro-couple-hit-floor-when-bullet-came-through-wall/
https://nypost.com/2021/10/03/georgia-actress-killed-when-neighbor-accidentally-fires-gun/
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...leeping-poway-neighbor-through-apartment-wall
https://www.salisburypost.com/2022/...hot-sends-bullet-through-neighbors-headboard/
https://people.com/crime/carlether-foley-neighbor-allegedly-shoots-gun-accident/
https://www.koin.com/news/crime/neighbor-shot-through-wall-after-man-fires-gun-in-eugene-apartment/
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01...m-neighboring-apartments-one-while-showering/
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/7...gh-wall-murdering-7-year-old-girl-charges-say
https://www.9news.com/article/news/...jured/73-8739cb38-11cf-44d2-87ef-63c9e43c271e
https://law.stackexchange.com/quest...-gun-and-a-bullet-goes-through-my-wall-and-al
https://patch.com/florida/largo/bullet-rips-through-wall-hits-woman-back
https://www.boston.com/news/local-n...accidentally-hits-neighbors-house-police-say/
https://kdvr.com/news/local/mans-gu...ghboring-apartment-critically-wounding-woman/

Want more?
 
1955 said:
Out in the country there are no police. We have 2 sheriffs & and one will be home sleeping while the other is on duty. Both cell & radio coverage is poor so the likely hood of a quick response is not so good depending where the sheriff is. Most people here keep a gun handy.
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Same here at the house we had in the Ozarks. No cell service, and the sheriff was at least 20-30 minutes away... if he's not out on another call.
As others have noted, these are not fully automatic weapons. I have a 30.06 deer rifle that is semi auto and will fire as fast as any of those "scary black guns", (and actually fires a larger and more lethal round). With it, I can send you a greeting at 1000 yards with no problem.
 


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