Six-year-old in custody after shooting teacher

@hollydolly >>>"how does this happen ?"

Not surprising.

To a little kid, much like violent video games and tv. And of course some people as well as parents don't properly secure their guns because there are no laws demanding such. Can never depend on the LCD 10% to do whatever without being forced to. Ought be a law forcing any persons with children in their residence with licensed hand guns to also own locking storage with serial numbers that needs to be registered at same time as purchased guns.
 

David777 said:
@hollydolly >>>"how does this happen ?"

Not surprising.

To a little kid, much like violent video games and tv. And of course some people as well as parents don't properly secure their guns because there are no laws demanding such. Can never depend on the LCD 10% to do whatever without being forced to. Ought be a law forcing any persons with children in their residence with licensed hand guns to also own locking storage with serial numbers that needs to be registered at same time as purchased guns.
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You have just described the legal requirements for Canadian hand gun owners, about proper storage of their firearms at home. Gun safe, weapons unloaded, with trigger locks, and the ammunition must be stored in a different locked storage safe. In addition, Owners of hand guns in Canada cannot carry them around in public. They can ONLY transport them in a locked box, directly to a approved shooting range, shoot at the range and then transport the weapon directly back to their residence in that locked box. The legal process to be a licensed hand gun owner in Canada is long and tough. If any family member objects to the application, or the person has been convicted for domestic violence, or physical assault, the application will be denied. The RCMP carries out the investigation of the applicant, aided by the local Police in the area where the applicant lives. The background checks may take up to a year to be completed.

No one in Canada can carry a hand gun EXCEPT on duty Police officers, on duty members of the Canadian Forces, and on duty cash truck guards. In most cases in Canada our off duty Police officers are not armed. In the far north there are a limited number ( about 700 ) of wilderness hand gun permits, issued to people who are trappers, exploration crew members and bush pilots. JImB.
 
jimintoronto said:
You have just described the legal requirements for Canadian hand gun owners, about proper storage of their firearms at home. Gun safe, weapons unloaded, with trigger locks, and the ammunition must be stored in a different locked storage safe. In addition, Owners of hand guns in Canada cannot carry them around in public. They can ONLY transport them in a locked box, directly to a approved shooting range, shoot at the range and then transport the weapon directly back to their residence in that locked box. The legal process to be a licensed hand gun owner in Canada is long and tough. If any family member objects to the application, or the person has been convicted for domestic violence, or physical assault, the application will be denied. The RCMP carries out the investigation of the applicant, aided by the local Police in the area where the applicant lives. The background checks may take up to a year to be completed.

No one in Canada can carry a hand gun EXCEPT on duty Police officers, on duty members of the Canadian Forces, and on duty cash truck guards. In most cases in Canada our off duty Police officers are not armed. In the far north there are a limited number ( about 700 ) of wilderness hand gun permits, issued to people who are trappers, exploration crew members and bush pilots. JImB.
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Same here..!!
 

There are laws against allowing children to access firearms, but the penalties are trivial. Here is what they have in Virginia:

§ 18.2-56.2. Allowing access to firearms by children; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to recklessly leave a loaded, unsecured firearm in such a manner as to endanger the life or limb of any child under the age of fourteen. Any person violating the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to authorize a child under the age of twelve to use a firearm except when the child is under the supervision of an adult. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. For purposes of this subsection, "adult" shall mean a parent, guardian, person standing in loco parentis to the child or a person twenty-one years or over who has the permission of the parent, guardian, or person standing in loco parentis to supervise the child in the use of a firearm.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-56.2/
 
So what really do we know, a 6 year old shot a school teacher. From that we say a lot of things from assumptions and here say. Even President's do this when they haven't got any facts. I say, that we stop and wait for more facts before forming opinions. Take a moment and look where if you own a gun it's placed. It should be unloaded or locked up. The gun should have a cable lock if it's easily accessed. If a the kid is not hunting age with training, the child should never be near it. You know...like a circular saw. It's a tool.
 
Creek Pirate said:
So what really do we know, a 6 year old shot a school teacher. From that we say a lot of things from assumptions and here say. Even President's do this when they haven't got any facts. I say, that we stop and wait for more facts before forming opinions. Take a moment and look where if you own a gun it's placed. It should be unloaded or locked up. The gun should have a cable lock if it's easily accessed. If a the kid is not hunting age with training, the child should never be near it. You know...like a circular saw. It's a tool.
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Yes. Exactly.

I grew up in rural CA in the 50s, on an orange grove. Everyone I knew had at least one firearm in the household--a long gun of some kind (rifle/shotgun) and it was used only in certain circumstances where it was needed as a tool.

And you were VERY CAREFUL when using it. No exceptions because one slip-up is potentially fatal.
 
jimintoronto said:
You have just described the legal requirements for Canadian hand gun owners, about proper storage of their firearms at home. Gun safe, weapons unloaded, with trigger locks, and the ammunition must be stored in a different locked storage safe. In addition, Owners of hand guns in Canada cannot carry them around in public. They can ONLY transport them in a locked box, directly to a approved shooting range, shoot at the range and then transport the weapon directly back to their residence in that locked box. The legal process to be a licensed hand gun owner in Canada is long and tough. If any family member objects to the application, or the person has been convicted for domestic violence, or physical assault, the application will be denied. The RCMP carries out the investigation of the applicant, aided by the local Police in the area where the applicant lives. The background checks may take up to a year to be completed.

No one in Canada can carry a hand gun EXCEPT on duty Police officers, on duty members of the Canadian Forces, and on duty cash truck guards. In most cases in Canada our off duty Police officers are not armed. In the far north there are a limited number ( about 700 ) of wilderness hand gun permits, issued to people who are trappers, exploration crew members and bush pilots. JImB.
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And this is how every country should control firearms. One of the many reasons that I'm proud to be a Canadian.
 
David777 said:
@hollydolly >>>"how does this happen ?"

Not surprising.

To a little kid, much like violent video games and tv. And of course some people as well as parents don't properly secure their guns because there are no laws demanding such. Can never depend on the LCD 10% to do whatever without being forced to. Ought be a law forcing any persons with children in their residence with licensed hand guns to also own locking storage with serial numbers that needs to be registered at same time as purchased guns.
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Ought to be a law banning hand guns altogether.
 
Catballou said:
And this is how every country should control firearms. One of the many reasons that I'm proud to be a Canadian.
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Be careful of your way of thinking. Fear of what someone else will do will dictate the level of your freedom. There are worst things that a governing body can do to control you when allowing them to use your fears. Is it better to be in a crowd that has unarmed people with one crazed individual armed or is it better to be in a crowd of armed people with that same crazed individual? The gun is a tool and there are many different tools out there including your hands. So why fear the gun? By the way Canada is beautiful.
 
Creek Pirate said:
Be careful of your way of thinking. Fear of what someone else will do will dictate the level of your freedom. There are worst things that a governing body can do to control you when allowing them to use your fears. Is it better to be in a crowd that has unarmed people with one crazed individual armed or is it better to be in a crowd of armed people with that same crazed individual? The gun is a tool and there are many different tools out there including your hands. So why fear the gun? By the way Canada is beautiful.
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Sounds like you're forming plenty of opinions of your own.

Lots of laws are made out of fear of what others might do and I'm not worried about my freedom at all. I don't plan to drive 100mph, but I'm glad there are laws against other people doing it.

My opinion is that I'd much rather be in a crowd with one crazed, armed individual, than in a crowd of many armed people along with that individual. Nothing is more frightening to me than a mob of self-styled heroes, shooting at the crazed person and hitting me in the crossfire.

Best of all would be a crowd where no one had a gun. Must we all live in a country where thousands of people die from guns every year so you can huddle over your guns nursing a groundless fear of the government coming for you?
 
Creek Pirate said:
Disagree! Then only criminals will have handguns and our Government will not fear the people. There's that pesky thing called the 2nd Amendment that allows us to protect ourselves both from domestic and foreign foes. You have the right to be disarmed, must you attack my right not to be, because your afraid?
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Typical American response. Please tell me why the U.S. has the most mass shootings of all other developed countries. That pesky 2nd Amendment of yours has allowed this carnage to take place, on an ongoing basis. From where I sit, your country doesn't give a damn about the safety of innocent little children. Your government would rather be in bed with the NRA and benefit from its financial support. This is nothing to be proud of.
 
Farrah Nuff said:
These gun safes don’t look like they, along with the firearms they contain, wouldn’t be difficult to steal in a burglary. And once they were, I’m sure that the criminals who found a way into wherever they were kept could easily find a way to remove the guns at their leisure. Then where do you think those stolen guns are headed? My guess is to create more mayhem.

And your linked article specifically mentions handguns. Don’t believe me? Have a look -



The safe shown in your linked article also looks even easier to steal, gun intact, that those in the pictures you posted. And once stolen, that gun isn’t likely to be used for anything honest. Nice try but I’m not wrong in this instance.
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Gun safes are intended to be secured to a wall or shelf. I have one mounted behind the headboard of my bed, and you can disguise them as wall decor if you want. What you don't do is just leave them laying around. That's stupid.
 
Della said:
Sounds like you're forming plenty of opinions of your own.

Lots of laws are made out of fear of what others might do and I'm not worried about my freedom at all. I don't plan to drive 100mph, but I'm glad there are laws against other people doing it.

My opinion is that I'd much rather be in a crowd with one crazed, armed individual, than in a crowd of many armed people along with that individual. Nothing is more frightening to me than a mob of self-styled heroes, shooting at the crazed person and hitting me in the crossfire.

Best of all would be a crowd where no one had a gun. Must we all live in a country where thousands of people die from guns every year so you can huddle over your guns nursing a groundless fear of the government coming for you?
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Yes I do have my opinions. Part of the thinking process I suppose. You state limiting people to under 100 mph, so I agree people with questionable criminal & mental capabilities should be limited in there freedoms.

But your thought of being in a crowd without a gun has been recently in the news to be proven to be wrong. A person with a handgun in a crowd at a mall did bring to an end a shooter that was taking out people, an yet didn't do any collateral damage. Guess he had training. Just who is going to be in front of you in this crowd that deserves to be shot for you?

Thousands of people die of worse things then guns..., car crashes, Fentanyl and open borders, terrorists, smoking ect. These numbers are never brought up by critics for gun control. Please note that gun deaths are high in areas of gun control laws.

Now it was once said that you didn't need to have a gun until the government told you didn't need one. Example, Cuba. Thousands died.
 
Creek Pirate said:
Yes I do have my opinions. Part of the thinking process I suppose. You state limiting people to under 100 mph, so I agree people with questionable criminal & mental capabilities should be limited in there freedoms.

But your thought of being in a crowd without a gun has been recently in the news to be proven to be wrong. A person with a handgun in a crowd at a mall did bring to an end a shooter that was taking out people, an yet didn't do any collateral damage. Guess he had training. Just who is going to be in front of you in this crowd that deserves to be shot for you?

Thousands of people die of worse things then guns..., car crashes, Fentanyl and open borders, terrorists, smoking ect. These numbers are never brought up by critics for gun control. Please note that gun deaths are high in areas of gun control laws.

Now it was once said that you didn't need to have a gun until the government told you didn't need one. Example, Cuba. Thousands died.
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"Please note that gun deaths are high in areas of gun control laws." Bullshit. Gun violence in America, told through seven charts - The Globe and Mail
 
Catballou said:
Typical American response. Please tell me why the U.S. has the most mass shootings of all other developed countries. That pesky 2nd Amendment of yours has allowed this carnage to take place, on an ongoing basis. From where I sit, your country doesn't give a damn about the safety of innocent little children. Your government would rather be in bed with the NRA and benefit from its financial support. This is nothing to be proud of.
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Hey I looked up Canada, you guys are trying hard to catch up. Look, during the truckers strike you learned how much freedom your country has lost, so picking on the 2nd amendment is very disappointing. I guess you would have been happier if the criminal used maybe a hatchet or sword, knife or what ever. England the most gun controlled place has an up tick on stabbings and bombs, but low gun killings. Hey got news for ya, it's not the gun it's the person. If you put the gun on a table fully loaded and leave it there nothing will potentially happen until someone picks it up and then it's nothing but a tool in the right or wrong hands.

Side note, did you notice who is in the White House, the NRA isn't one of the Government's favorite organizations. Still Canada's very beautiful. Not nice to say I shouldn't be proud of my country. But I do object to some of its people.
 
Catballou said:
Typical American response. Please tell me why the U.S. has the most mass shootings of all other developed countries. That pesky 2nd Amendment of yours has allowed this carnage to take place, on an ongoing basis. From where I sit, your country doesn't give a damn about the safety of innocent little children. Your government would rather be in bed with the NRA and benefit from its financial support. This is nothing to be proud of.
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I would rather every US citizen own a bleeping cannon than listen to another lecture about the US from another Canadian. You don't live here and you don't write our laws. We don't lecture you about how you do things there.

And for the record, I don't disagree with you. I just would never take it upon myself to lecture someone from another country about what should be done there.
 
hollydolly said:
Just saw an update on the news of this case. They say there was no confrontation between the child and the teacher as has been reported previously .

The boy simply pulled out the gun and pointed it at the teacher. (this from the Teacher's own statement to police)

She held her hands up in a submissive position and he shot through her hand and into her chest. Even then, the teacher despite being seriously wounded managed to steer the rest of the children to safety.

The boy is currently being held in detention and will appear in court in front of a Judge who will determine whether the detention should continue.. or what further steps are to be taken.

the parents have not been charged with any crime as of yet, but that could change, and the Gun had been purchased legally by the mother, who said she was not aware the boy had taken it..
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Thank you for the update, much appreciated.
 
Catballou said:
Typical American response. Please tell me why the U.S. has the most mass shootings of all other developed countries. That pesky 2nd Amendment of yours has allowed this carnage to take place, on an ongoing basis. From where I sit, your country doesn't give a damn about the safety of innocent little children. Your government would rather be in bed with the NRA and benefit from its financial support. This is nothing to be proud of.
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The basic problem is that we in the US came from the assumption of personal responsibility and just consequences (as defined by law) and gradually we've made personal responsibility optional and legal consequences inconsistent and whimsical.

Combine with the 2nd, you can see what it is.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I would rather every US citizen own a bleeping cannon than listen to another lecture about the US from another Canadian. You don't live here and you don't write our laws. We don't lecture you about how you do things there.

And for the record, I don't disagree with you. I just would never take it upon myself to lecture someone from another country about what should be done there.
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My main concern is the number of beautiful little American children who have been blown to bits in their classrooms because of your lax gun laws. That, my friend, is something every decent human being should be concerned about, no matter what country they're from.
 
Catballou said:
My main concern is the number of beautiful little American children who have been blown to bits in their classrooms because of your lax gun laws. That, my friend, is something every decent human being should be concerned about, no matter what country they're from.
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I'm deeply concerned about the self-righteousness of the Canadians who post here, which is something every decent human being should be concerned about, no matter what country they're from.

By the way, the discussion here is about a beautiful little American child who tried to blow his teacher to bits, not that it matters.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I'm deeply concerned about the self-righteousness of the Canadians who post here, which is something every decent human being should be concerned about, no matter what country they're from.

By the way, the discussion here is about a beautiful little American child who tried to blow his teacher to bits, not that it matters.
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LOL - The "My country's better than yours" mindset.
 
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