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My "disruption" was in response to PeppermintPatty's rude response to another poster. I think I will ignore this part of the forum in the future. If someone cannot stand to be questioned they should be more tolerant of others.
Depression
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Medusa
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I've been given Trazodone as a sleep aid a couple of times, but have not been able to get it to work for me; it aggravates my anxiety disorder.
However, that isn't saying much as almost all psychotropics (and many other meds.) do that, so don't let my experience stop anyone else from giving it a try, if prescribed.
Glad it's worked for you.
PeppermintPatty
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Iāve got to be very careful with the meds I take since they can aggregate other mental health disorders I have. Many, if not most anti depressants cause insomnia and can make me somewhat manic.I've been given Trazodone as a sleep aid a couple of times, but have not been able to get it to work for me; it aggravates my anxiety disorder.
However, that isn't saying much as almost all psychotropics (and many other meds.) do that, so don't let my experience stop anyone else from giving it a try, if prescribed.
Glad it's worked for you.
Iāve been prescribed Zoloft from years ago but feel totally whacked out taking it and the fact that the number one side effects suicidal tendencies is somewhat disturbing.
Iāve not found an anti depressant that works for me yet but do have prescribed sleeping pills I take occasionally alternating with Rescue Remedy sleeping capsules. They were prescribed from a nurse practitioner who isnāt someone I see regularly due to medical staff shortages here.
Between these two Iām starting to get proper sleep
For anxiety Iāve got benzodiazepines- Clonazepam which work great but are very addictive so I take them sparingly. They are mainly for my panic disorder so I donāt hyperventilate and pass out.
Nathan
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You're welcome to post here, as long as you can be respectful, and not create discord. That's your choice.
Medusa
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I have tried Rescue Remedy as well and wish like Hade's Underworld I could say it works for me, but no dice. Ugh. Not Melatonin, GABA, l-tryptophan, St. John's Wort... Most of what I've just listed actually aggravate my anxiety disorder. And certainly not any kind of marijuana. Believe me, I have tried it. Did an entire youtube channel on it. That plant and I do not get along, sadly.
Zoloft had the same affect on me, causing major anxiety and mania-like reactions.
I have Clonazepam for anxiety as well as it is one of the only drugs I can tolerate. I hate that it is addictive; scares the heck out of me, actually (such that we are dealing with my fear of addiction in therapy), but the fact is I need it, right now.
Hopefully, as my work in therapy continues I will need less and less Clonazepam. That's my constant goal, though my practitioners (therapist and med. psych.) are trying to help me calm my fears about this issue for right now, focus on therapy, use the Clonazepam as a tool and think of discontinuance as a good, long term goal.
Sorry, I went off on a bit of a rant there; I'm terrified of addiction and it's an ongoing issue for me.
EDIT: Forgot to say thank you, Patty, for the tip.
ElCastor
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I am far from an expert on this, but for whatever itās worth, I believe Trazodone is sometimes prescribed solely as a sleep aid.
PeppermintPatty
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Rescue Remedy sleeping caps donāt work by themselves either. Itās something I use in between taking the sleeping pills. Taking sleeping pills every night quickly builds up a tolerance to them that makes me need more of them to get the same amount of sleep. Then I tend to wake up very grouchy which I really dislike as wellI have tried Rescue Remedy as well and wish like Hade's Underworld I could say it works for me, but no dice. Ugh. Not Melatonin, GABA, l-tryptophan, St. John's Wort... Most of what I've just listed actually aggravate my anxiety disorder. And certainly not any kind of marijuana. Believe me, I have tried it. Did an entire youtube channel on it. That plant and I do not get along, sadly.
Zoloft had the same affect on me, causing major anxiety and mania-like reactions.
I have Clonazepam for anxiety as well as it is one of the only drugs I can tolerate. I hate that it is addictive; scares the heck out of me, actually (such that we are dealing with my fear of addiction in therapy), but the fact is I need it, right now.
Hopefully, as my work in therapy continues I will need less and less Clonazepam. That's my constant goal, though my practitioners (therapist and med. psych.) are trying to help me calm my fears about this issue for right now, focus on therapy, use the Clonazepam as a tool and think of discontinuance as a good, long term goal.
Sorry, I went off on a bit of a rant there; I'm terrified of addiction and it's an ongoing issue for me.
EDIT: Forgot to say thank you, Patty, for the tip.
lol I even went to a naturopath doctor who had me taking L-theanine, Gandha- 600, 5 htp, as well as a few other things twice a day and the combination and amount prescribed made me feel WORSE than the Zoloft . Considering that was the main reason I went to him in the first place I stopped going.
St. Johnās wort I donāt take cause it interacts with far too many other medications and substances that itās too unreliable for me.
Marijuana Iāve done for years but have stopped using it due to autoimmune disorder sjogrens which attacks all major organs including the brain. Auto immune disorders can have a huge impact on mental health since it shrinks blood vessels in the body including the brain and there are a lot of auto immune disorders. Having a stroke does the same thing.
Clonazepam is my preferred drug also. Whenever Iām overly stressed, I take one of those and within half an hour, Iām so chill. They really are great but Iāve recently learned that they can increase the risk of getting dementia as can antihistamines .
Like yourself, Iām very cautious of becoming overly tolerant to them where I need more of them to get the same effect and it affects my sleep. Anything affecting my sleep I tend to be very cautious with since sleep is crucial .
That wasnāt a rant. I very much enjoy your rambling, for lack of a better word.
PeppermintPatty
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Really. I shall look this up and see if itās something I can take. Iād seriously love to take something that helps me sleep AND helps with depression. That would be ideal.
Thank you
I think Nathan said the same thing but this thread is going so fast I canāt keep up. Lol
Medusa
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We share the added fun of an autoimmune; I have Hashimoto's (and Fibro. but that's a neurological thing).Rescue Remedy sleeping caps donāt work by themselves either. Itās something I use in between taking the sleeping pills. Taking sleeping pills every night quickly builds up a tolerance to them that makes me need more of them to get the same amount of sleep. Then I tend to wake up very grouchy which I really dislike as well
I even went to a naturopath doctor who had me taking L-theanine, Gandha- 600, 5 htp, as well as a few other things twice a day and the combination and amount prescribed made me feel WORSE than the Zoloft . Considering that was the main reason I went to him in the first place I stopped going.
St. Johnās wort I donāt take cause it interacts with far too many other medications and substances that itās too unreliable for me.
Marijuana Iāve done for years but have stopped using it due to autoimmune disorder sjogrens which attacks all major organs including the brain. Auto immune disorders can have a huge impact on mental health since it shrinks blood vessels in the body including the brain and there are a lot of auto immune disorders. Having a stroke does the same thing.
Clonazepam is my preferred drug also. Whenever Iām overly stressed, I take one of those and within half an hour, Iām so chill. They really are great but Iāve recently learned that they can increase the risk of getting dementia as can antihistamines .
Like yourself, Iām very cautious of becoming overly tolerant to them where I need more of them to get the same effect and it affects my sleep. Anything affecting my sleep I tend to be very cautious with since sleep is crucial .
That wasnāt a rant. I very much enjoy your rambling, for lack of a better word.
I totally get you about sleep; I must get sleep and when I don't I'm almost certainly in for a rough day.
Sorry you had to stop the Marijuana; I know it's really helpful for a lot of people, and honestly, wish I was one of them.
Ugh, threading the needle of meds. and chronic comorbidities.
PeppermintPatty
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Gosh. We do have a lot in common. Dealing with auto immune disorder can be a total nightmare. My thyroid is affected from the sjogrens. In fact, that was probably the first to be affected with sjogrens. Major hair loss, additional weight gain ā¦ yadda yadda.
Iāve got fibro type symptoms but am learning that they are also auto immune symptoms. Many of these symptoms overlap making it difficult to pinpoint the cause.
One anti depressant I was successful with for quite a while was Effexor but it seemed to stop working and zapped all my energy. For a while I turned into a total couch potato.
Marijuana was helpful to me for years but once the auto immune disorder kicked in so did the paranoia so it had to go.
Chronic illnesses suck!
Medusa
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Yep. ā„Chronic illnesses suck!
EDIT: Forgot to say, I've tried Effexor too (and probably just about every other med. on the list right now. My Med. Psych. is tapped out and recognizes therapy as my main, best option. Well, therapy and the scary Clonazepam.
I'm sorry about what you're struggling with... or what you're juggling with.. ha. :/ lol
Magna-Carta
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Iām not sure what Iām trying to achieve with this post. I suppose in a way Iām just sitting here observing my own words, and typing away as I see what comes out of my own fingertips.
As I sit here typing, I find myself contemplating the various facets of depression and its impact on individuals. It's a complex and deeply personal journey, and each person's experience with depression is unique, even when the cases might be the same or very similar. Sometimes just expressing ourselves and sharing our thoughts can be cathartic and help us gain further insights. Both insights of each other and of ourselves.
While I may not have a specific goal in mind with this post, I believe that open and honest discussions about depression can foster empathy, support, and understanding among us. Well, among most, so here I am observing my thoughts, typing away, and hoping to contribute to this important conversation. But what can I add that hasnāt already been said?
Itās a personal journey, one that can profoundly affect our personal outlook for decades to come. Whether it be depression due to the loss of someone or 'something', a chemical imbalance, or something hidden deep in oneās subconscious, that at first you never knew was there. It can dwell in a place we never knew existed. And at times seems like something we can do little about, regardless of how hard we try. This is where then some of us might feel we need to go to an expert. A realisation that might take a considerable amount of time for some.
For now, I will leave it there, as even I don't like long posts, but there will be more to come from me. As I later sit and see what comes out of my own fingertips.
As I sit here typing, I find myself contemplating the various facets of depression and its impact on individuals. It's a complex and deeply personal journey, and each person's experience with depression is unique, even when the cases might be the same or very similar. Sometimes just expressing ourselves and sharing our thoughts can be cathartic and help us gain further insights. Both insights of each other and of ourselves.
While I may not have a specific goal in mind with this post, I believe that open and honest discussions about depression can foster empathy, support, and understanding among us. Well, among most, so here I am observing my thoughts, typing away, and hoping to contribute to this important conversation. But what can I add that hasnāt already been said?
Itās a personal journey, one that can profoundly affect our personal outlook for decades to come. Whether it be depression due to the loss of someone or 'something', a chemical imbalance, or something hidden deep in oneās subconscious, that at first you never knew was there. It can dwell in a place we never knew existed. And at times seems like something we can do little about, regardless of how hard we try. This is where then some of us might feel we need to go to an expert. A realisation that might take a considerable amount of time for some.
For now, I will leave it there, as even I don't like long posts, but there will be more to come from me. As I later sit and see what comes out of my own fingertips.
Jamala
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Jamala
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I do not suffer from depression, but I know what the results can be. Harsh words and lack of sympathy can result in something we all hear about.
I am glad SF has provided a space for people to discuss this problem...talking about it removes the stigma, hopefully makes a person feel safer and to seek help.
I am glad SF has provided a space for people to discuss this problem...talking about it removes the stigma, hopefully makes a person feel safer and to seek help.
Jamala
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Don't let anyone drive you away. Continue to post.
PeppermintPatty
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Something I just thought of regarding autoimmune disorder and brain fog that I recently discovered which I found very helpful is medicinal mushrooms; not the ones you get high off but these:
Reishi, Lion's Mane, and Turkey Tail mushrooms are particularly powerful when treating autoimmune disorders. Reishi mushroom extract can help your body deal with the stress of inflammation, damaged blood vessels, lack of energy, and hormonal imbalances.
https://healthbymushrooms.com/best-mushroom-for-autoimmune-disease/
https://learn.freshcap.com/tips/build-a-strong-immune-system-with-mushrooms/
https://www.thepaleomom.com/the-power-of-medicinal-mushrooms-an-overview/
I started taking them a few months back and my brain fog , cognitive functioning and energy improved immensely. Then I had a serious set back and stopped taking them and all my symptoms came back again.
I got them out the other day to remind myself to take them once more so am looking forward to some much needed improvement.
Real Mushrooms I get off Amazon in powdered form but I have them in capsules .
These appear to be in the purest form with no added fillers. I also take Lions Mane and 5 Defenders
https://www.amazon.ca/stores/RealMushrooms/Homepage/page/C405F0FE-5617-456D-9AFC-031FAE856722
Since you appear to be open to natural healing remedies, I thought Iād share this with you. Check this out. It really helped me when I remembered to take it. Lol
CallMeKate
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Thank you for posting this, @Jamala . Things like "just deal with it" are on the same level as "snap out of it" and those very things are why many don't/won't feel comfortable posting their personal struggles. Those suffering severe depressive disorder and severe anxiety and other things that may be connected can often NOT "just deal with it"... it numbs. It paralyzes. I know there will always be "just call a doctor" or "just deal with it" people posting here, but I know @Nathan will be able to keep it under control and make this area as safe as possible.
PeppermintPatty
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Snap out of it!
Suck it up!
Get over it!
Grow up!
Grow a pair!
Let it go!
Just forget it!
Youāre not even trying!
We all have bad days!
Youāre being lazy!
Youāre exaggerating!
It canāt be that bad!
Stop your nonsense!
Just try harder!
You donāt look/ sound depressed!
You donāt seem sad!
Youāre being selfish!
Things could be worse?
You think you have it bad ā¦
Itās all in your head!
Youāre doing this to yourself!
You only think of yourself!
Youāve got this blown out of proportion!
This will pass!
Itās all part of Gods plan!
Try and think positive!
This isnāt like you!
You just need a drink!
You just need a good nights sleep!
Cheer up!
There are so many things that people can't see or know of a problem.
Not only mental health but also physical health. No one should judge if they don't have a clue as to the problem.
I suffer from depression and anxiety. I have chronic migraines. I have damaged nerves in my neck that causes more pain. Why do people think we want to be sick, want to be in pain. We would so much rather be normal,
Not only mental health but also physical health. No one should judge if they don't have a clue as to the problem.
I suffer from depression and anxiety. I have chronic migraines. I have damaged nerves in my neck that causes more pain. Why do people think we want to be sick, want to be in pain. We would so much rather be normal,
Nathan
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And, it should be noted that pain ā anxiety, and visa versa.
My daughter was happy-go-lucky as a child, but as an adult certain life situations, plus an old neck injury started to take their toll. Conflict with her ex, plus some friction with her daughter caused anxiety...of course. However, the old neck injury from being thrown from a horse as a teenager started to resurface, bringing much pain that hadn't previously been present. Both conditions seemed to make the other worse, pretty soon all kinds of pain and anxiety and depression medications were being prescribed, without much relief. She added increasing amounts of alcohol....
ElCastor
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No need to suffer in silence. Talk to a doctor. Frankly there are over the counter drugs like time release Tylenol that might be of help for your pain, and remedies for other issues that a doctor can prescribe.
Medusa
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I understand and empathize with this.
My anxiety, chronic digestive system issues, and chronic migraines, are all so intertwined I can't tease them apart anymore. When my stomach gets upset, I get anxious, which makes my head start to hurt, which makes my anxiety worse, which makes my stomach worse, which makes my head worse...
Often, the last few years, the only way to stop that train is with Clonazepam, which comes with its own issues, but at least, usually, helps.
My fibro. and Hashi's are both connected to anxiety, depression and trauma and all play off each other. It's a freaking circus and, unfortunately, it is my circus and those are my monkeys.
I am under the care of multiple doctors. A GP, Neurologist and an Orthopedic. I am on medication for all of my health issues. It is not that we don't seek out special care, it is that we are misjudged, that we can't just snap out of it. If you are sick you try to do everything the doctor says. The problem comes from others.
My son did not know how things were so bad at one point. I was suffering for a year with hip pain. I could no longer drive, was using a walker when he went with me to see the orthopedist. They took Xrays. Came back in the room and told me my hip was shattered and had no idea how I was walking at all. Put me on pain medication until I could have a total hip replacement.
My son was so sad, I had told him I was in so much pain I could not function. He got it that day, if I say I am sick or in pain, he knows I am in bad way.
But we do and we will because we're people and that's us. Even those who think they don't do. The more we can forget or ignore others' judgement the better off we'd all be. I heard a saying: People's opinions of me are none of my business.