Shocking United States life expectancy decline

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“April 13, 2023 – U.S. life expectancy has declined to 76.4 years, the shortest it’s been in nearly two decades, according to December data from the CDC. Two experts from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health—Dean Michelle Williams and Ariadne Labs’ Asaf Bitton—discussed the problem on WP Live, a podcast from the Washington Post.

“The numbers are shocking,” said Williams on the April 10 podcast. She noted that younger people in America are dying at high rates than their counterparts in other high-income countries, and that that the U.S. also has among the highest maternaland infant mortality rates among upper-income countries.”

The article goes in to talk about the US having an excellent “sick care” system, but that adequate health care and education is sadly lacking compared to totter countries.

Japan’s life expectancy is 84.62
The UK’s is 80.90
China’s is 78.08
Canada is 81.75

Every country is higher than the US for life expectancy.

The US focuses on rescue care rather than focusing on disease prevention and good health and how to attain it. I know that I searched for some time to find a doctor whose mindset paralleled mine and would partner with me to focus on pro activity towards my health rather than just seeing me when I was ill. Some doctors don’t want active participation from their patients, they prefer passive acceptance. That’s not me.

Tennessee, where I live, has one of the lowest life expectancies in the Nation! That is sobering and makes me more determined than ever to protect my health for as long as I can!
Not shocking at all with all the guns and mass killing. Wonder how some even make it to their pensions?

Yap! Johnny Cash died at the age of 71. If he was a Canadian, he would have lived at least another decade. Unfortunately, he would never have made so much money and might never have had those fancy homes in Hendersonville, New York and Jamaica. You just can't have it all, can you?
 

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And certain lifestyle changes early on would most likely have prevented most of it.....
Okay I'll bite. What lifestyle changes could have prevented the specific problems that I have?
Nearly everyone I know, myself included, would have died an early death had it not been for miracles of modern medicine. God bless the decades of research, doctors and pharmaceuticals whose combined efforts have preserved @spectratg's and many other lives.

To me this thread isn't about situations that required that kind of intervention, but of the daily damage humans do to our bodies through excessive use of tobacco, alcohol, drugs, food, and couch potato time.

For these behaviors, the piper almost always demands to be paid and we are at the age when his bill collector starts pounding on the door.
 
Yap! Johnny Cash died at the age of 71. If he was a Canadian, he would have lived at least another decade. Unfortunately, he would never have made so much money and might never have had those fancy homes in Hendersonville, New York and Jamaica. You just can't have it all, can you?
Given that Johnny Cash died from complications of diabetes and a broken heart (June Carter Cash predeceased him by four months), it's hard to imagine he would have lived longer in any other country.
 

Nearly everyone I know, myself included, would have died an early death had it not been for miracles of modern medicine. God bless the decades of research, doctors and pharmaceuticals whose combined efforts have preserved @spectratg's and many other lives.

To me this thread isn't about situations that required that kind of intervention, but of the daily damage humans do to our bodies through excessive use of tobacco, alcohol, drugs, food, and couch potato time.

For these behaviors, the piper almost always demands to be paid and we are at the age when his bill collector starts pounding on the door.
@StarSong very much this! 😍

Other countries have modern medicine too, yet its populations are outliving us routinely. Lifestyle plays such an important role in health and longevity! No matter how well doctors and modern medicine work to keep us alive, there are a finite number of pills and procedures that can overcome the damage tobacco, booze, addictions of every kind, overeating and sloth can do.
 
Going back in time and coming forward we have seen an ongoing reduction in the number of smokers. I consider smoking to be one of the primary causes of death of adults in America and probably the world over the last 100+ years. Do your own research, but I think most would agree this has been and still is a major cause of death...

This offsets the trend noted in this post. But when you consider drug use and over drinking the numbers are difficult to correlate.
 
Other countries have modern medicine too, yet its populations are outliving us routinely. Lifestyle plays such an important role in health and longevity!
This is a valid point ............ but some mistakenly think if we only copy other countries it will be fine.....NO because Americans do not want to be told to quit smoking or drinking or get mote exercise ....... just give them a magic Pill.

it is more about what the person DOES then the medical system.

I have seen it in action ........a friend had major heart attack/ triple bypass was very heavy........ doctor told them to start walking every day ......... there was every excuse in the book as "no it is too hard " etc.................her neighbor had very similar issue and walked by house every day tried to even get her to join him walking ........
i had visited regularly and watched as this man became thin as he lost weight over the summer and feeling better and her sitting on her porch watching her health only continued down hill.......... It is about action NOT pills , surgery, access to medical professionals etc.
 
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Not shocking at all with all the guns and mass killing. Wonder how some even make it to their pensions?

Yap! Johnny Cash died at the age of 71. If he was a Canadian, he would have lived at least another decade. Unfortunately, he would never have made so much money and might never have had those fancy homes in Hendersonville, New York and Jamaica. You just can't have it all, can you?
well he probably would have had as much money... he just needed to get paid in the USA...and live in Canada ..or the UK...
 
Of course the one thing that the countries with the longest average lifespans have in common, is Socialised or subsidised medical care....
If you could to the best of your own experience do patients in universal healthcare situations have better follow through?

https://www.heart.org/en/health-top...cation-adherence-taking-your-meds-as-directed
It is estimated that three out of four Americans do not take their medication as directed.

Taking medication correctly may seem like a simple or personal matter, but non-adherence (or not taking medication as directed) is a complicated and common problem. People do not realize the real damage or consequences of non-adherence. When patients with chronic conditions such as cardiovascular disease do not take medication as directed, the repercussions can be severe. For instance, not keeping blood pressure in check can lead to heart disease, stroke, and kidney failure.

In sum, poor medication adherence takes the lives of 125,000 Americans annually, and costs the health care system nearly $300 billion a year in additional doctor visits, emergency department visits and hospitalizations
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Do the citizens exhibit greater caution in anything that may caused bodily harm etc?
Do they feel it is a free for all so go crazy or did they grow up with respect of resources and responsibility to fellow citizens ?

Literally just after a co-worker bought into the ACA insurance program here...... she said and i quote ............" i could let the kids juggle knives if i want i have insurance now" ........... she was bragging about how little it cost her ( taxpayer subsidized ) and i said to keep it to herself .........she said "why" and i said as you look around most here are paying the rest of it for you and WITH complete disconnect she said "NOPE you liar it is the government who pays." when no one else would talk to her and i asked her to find out where the government gets their money..
Medical cannot fix stupid. we have an abundance of that in the US.

Many of socialized or other programs have limited liability for malpractice etc...... i have heard that has been changed over the years is that true? and if so how much money to support system is now used for lawsuits?

legal claims and people expecting miracles outcomes are a bigger driver in cost here then people want to acknowledge.
 

The “Highs” and “Lows” of Being an Addict and a Musician​

Like many of the most talented names in the music industry, Johnny Cash also struggled with severe addiction problems. Johnny Cash was not only an alcoholic but abused amphetamines and was addicted to barbiturates as well. It was common for singers in those days to use speed as a form of performance enhancement— to help them cope with long days, demanding travel schedules and frequent invitations to perform at music venues and promotional events at a moment’s notice.

https://fherehab.com/news/johnny-cashs-struggle-with-addiction/

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I've been a Cash fan for years but I know who the man was and what his problems were. They were severe and he only lived as long as he did because of June Carter. It was not the American medical system that killed him. Not even Canada or socialized medicine is going to save someone who is an alcoholic and does uppers and downers for years.

Believe me, his case is not one to stand on to try to prove the never ending effort that Canada is superior or that socialized medicine is the answer.
 
I get that there are those who just are fat because they're lazy etc but I'm rather stunned by the call for not allowing healthcare for those who are overweight. Are you not aware that it is often a symptom? Yes, I am. But being fat is often not that simplistic. I am fat, in part, due to other conditions and bad genetics. You are more apt to be fat if your parents were etc. Those like the ones in that video are obviously mental and their mental disorder should be addressed. Their weight is a symptom of their mental illnesses. (Disclosure: I only watched a few minutes. I could not stand and really don't have the time to watch the whole thing.)

My weight problem mainly stems from mobility issues NOT CAUSED BY WEIGHT. Rather they have caused weight gain because I can no longer move freely and because opiates have been demonized, my chronic pain is undertreated. So far, I've been allergic to every non-opiod pain med tried. They have landed me in a hospital near death. (Side remark: one of them was the one Trump declared never killed nobody; I was booing him for saying that about a drug that nearly killed me.) I'm severely crippled by osteoarthritis that is caused by an underlying incurable degenerative bone disease. Yes, the weight makes things worse but I will still have the problem even if I'm anorexically thin. I can no longer run or climb stairs. After I reached that point, my weight steadily climbed.
This is also added to due to digestive issues. I cannot digest fiber. If I eat a lot of high fiber food, well, let's just say it's not a pretty picture and I will be incapacitated as I was the other day. I lost an entire day due to well I thought I was being clever. I have to rely on procssed foods because I have trouble cooking due to the severe arthritis. You do not want to feel the pain in my hands if I try to chop, peel and wash aka prep food also flipping, stirring. Or my back, spine and hips if I stand cooking. Yes, I have tried using those counter top stools. They do give some relief. Some.

I worry all the time about calories, sodium, fat and sugars in said processed foods. I thought I hit on a brain storm. I would buy Herb Ox low sodium boullion and frozen veggies which are already prepped for me. Preparing the veggies in the broth instead of plain water will give it a nice flavor and in just a few minutes boiling them in it, I'll have a nice vegetable soup. Yes, it actually was good. It also had me writhing in stomach pain after eating a bowl of soup that was 1 cup broth, and a half cup each of green beans and carrots and running constantly to the bathroom from the bed. You want to see a life you don't want to live, try that one. Yeah, so going back to the TV dinners. At least I can semi-digest them.

Name me the healthy low cal, low fat, low sodium food also low in fiber. Please! And make it something that isn't horrible to gag down because it tastes so nasty you'd rather puke than eat it though honestly I can't think of one that even tastes bad and if you can, I'm open to hearing about it. Make sure it's non-dairy too while you're at it because lactose intolerance.

There's also a reason we're not going to doctors. I know the last few years have changed me from simply not trusting them to downright fearing them. Don't get me started on what I actually believe Covid to be. You will only think me a paranoid crackpot which I hope I am in that regard but, well, I'll just say this - have you noticed that all the day of the pillow boomer hate ceased immediately with its onset? Then ask yourself why the DOJ is refusing to even investigate the four governors that purposely infected nursing homes with Covid by sending Covid patients in with that vulnerable population? I live in one of those states. I'm supposed to trust our health care syistem? Get real. I utterly believe I'm still alive because I stopped going to my doctors and only because I did. I may be right. I may be wrong. I sincerely hope I am wrong but the fact remains I'm alive and so many of those in poor health that fit the same categories I do aren't after letting themselves be tested and treated and vaxxed. My trusting doctors who did not stand up for their patients against the govermnet in this utter madness and governmental overreach is not going to happen. Period. Point blank.

But putting Covid aside, see my avatar which I made for this forum 10 years ago. I don't remember why I became inactive for a decade here. Eh, what's it matter? Most likely just got busy with other things. But totally disregarding Covid, I give up on doctors. They don't make you better and it's not just because they aren't proactive in prevention - which seems to amount to lose weight with no real suggestion on how to do so with my mobility and digestive problems - which I'm not even criticizing really because there probably isn't one. I can't not eat at all. That's called starvation and will only lead to malnutrition - which, yes, despite taking a multi-viltamin and vitamin C, I probably am because of my difficulty digesting food, especially nuttritious food. I only seem able really to digest bread and water. Yeah, that'll really sustain life. Oh, wait there is my cardiologist who said when I told him how ill fiber makes me after recommending a salad for lunch (which I wish I could), eat half a sandwich for lunch, when I told him I already was said eat a quarter of a sandwich. Me and my daughter both stared at him like he'd gone mad. Okay, maybe not mad but unrealisitic. A quarter of a sandwich. I was going away hungry at half. A quarter wouldn't even dent my hunger and what kind of doctor doesn't know that hunger is a major driving force for all animals, including the human species?

I have one condition that makes my blood clot too easily and another that makes me bleed too much. How are you going to address that but I note that the bleeding too easily didn't start until after the doctors put me on a blood thinner for a blood clot which I promptly stopped and refused to take after a couple of attempts, at a few different medicines, due to causing bleeding (nose, ears, and unmentionable places). Years after refusing to take these, the problem persists. I'm supposed to trust doctors? Get real. One yanked out my gall bladder for stones without telling me that the gall bladder is crucial in the digestion of fat and now my digestive issues are worse than ever. After the operation, he says zero fat which is insane and impossible with my pre-existing inability to eat fiber. I love salad and I love it without dressing, which I hate. I haven't met a salad dressing yet I like the taste of so I used to eat a lot of salad without any dressing at all. Remember that old magazine ad of without our dressing your salad is just a bowl of wet vegetables? I was yeah, give me the bowl of wet vegetables. But the prejudiced against we fatties always mock eat a salad. God, wish I could. I'd eat salad for lunch every day - if I could. I love salad. I miss salad.

SIgh. I've ranted long enough. I could write a book on this but those of you who have been blessed by good genes - I decidedly have the opposite and if I had understood genetics in my 20s my daughter and grandson would likely not exist becuase I've cursed them with the same bad genetics - and are blessed with good health and a healthy weight because, for you, doing everything you should results in a good outcome because your good genetics actually allow such.

Me - I've always limped. I probably had Juvenile Arthritis but,well, can't be sure about that because it can't be diagnosed in hindsight but, in the 60s, doctors - once again those gods I'm supposed to worship - didn't catch it unless it was so severe a kid wasn't walking at all. But I've gone from that limp, to cane, to walker to power chair over the course of my grandson's childhood just as I saw my grandmother go over my childhood.


I wrote that some time ago. The five-year-old is now 19.

It's all well and fine to judge people and assume they can be just like you. It's another thing to have the insight and wisdom to realize that you can't judge a book by it's cover - even when that cover is some fat old lady in a power chair struggling at the market.

But, it's okay. Deny me care. I'm denying myself despite having good insurance. (If I had to rely on Medicare, I'd be dead already for what they won't cover.) I've given up on doctors. They poke and prod and write you off as futile care - a thing long before Covid, google if you don't know what it is - wherein they really refuse to do anything for you because they really can't. So wth is the point of my making them richer whilst subjecting myself to their medical torture. All they do is torture me and I credit at least two of my current health problems as a byproduct of being stupid enough to trust doctors in my desperation. Find doctors who have your mindset and realistically look at your problems and help you be proactive in preventing things? I'm jealous because I searched for well over a decade for this mythical being and it was as illusive as an invisible pink unicorn.

I hate doctors. It's my one prejudice. I flat out hate them and consider them all snake oil salesmen who don't care about their patients and who are in it for the money. Change my mind. Really do. I don't like to be prejudicd against anyone and always strive not to be. But I fear this one is ingrained due to their making my health worse instead of better even when I allowed myself to subject to added pain and discomfort in hope of alleviating my health problems.
 
Of course the one thing that the countries with the longest average lifespans have in common, is Socialised or subsidised medical care....
Being forced on Medicare against my will is what changed by mind about soxicalized medicine. Thank God I kept my private insurance because if I had to rely on the socialized medicine (quit acting like the US doesn't have socailized medicine, we do) I'd be dead already. I also point out that medical research advances due to good old American capitalism. The research is mainly done by American companies. Oh, and because they can't pass the cost of that research on to those everyone's on socialized medicine countries (who decide who lives and dies and patients wait months for care) guess what country they dump the costs on. In case, you're still wondering why health care costs are so high in America. It's because we're carrying the rest of the world. Socialism sucks in any form.
 
Being forced on Medicare against my will is what changed by mind about soxicalized medicine. Thank God I kept my private insurance because if I had to rely on the socialized medicine (quit acting like the US doesn't have socailized medicine, we do) I'd be dead already. I also point out that medical research advances due to good old American capitalism. The research is mainly done by American companies. Oh, and because they can't pass the cost of that research on to those everyone's on socialized medicine countries (who decide who lives and dies and patients wait months for care) guess what country they dump the costs on. In case, you're still wondering why health care costs are so high in America. It's because we're carrying the rest of the world. Socialism sucks in any form.
we actually pay for our own Medical care in the form of Taxes which are taken from our salaries...
 
I watched a video lecture that said life-expectancy is decreasing world-wide, not only in the US. What they called "excess deaths" is going up. These are deaths that are higher than the previous 5-year average.

There is a spike in the number of deaths during the pandemic, of course, but the number of excess deaths is still rising, and it shouldn't be (according to these lecturers). There are 2 major studies going on right now to figure out why this is happening, and several smaller, independently funded studies as well.
 
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Being forced on Medicare against my will is what changed by mind about soxicalized medicine. Thank God I kept my private insurance because if I had to rely on the socialized medicine (quit acting like the US doesn't have socailized medicine, we do) I'd be dead already. I also point out that medical research advances due to good old American capitalism. The research is mainly done by American companies. Oh, and because they can't pass the cost of that research on to those everyone's on socialized medicine countries (who decide who lives and dies and patients wait months for care) guess what country they dump the costs on. In case, you're still wondering why health care costs are so high in America. It's because we're carrying the rest of the world. Socialism sucks in any form.
Nobody is forced to be on Medicare. American seniors are free to pay for doctor, hospital and pharmaceutical care out of pocket if they so choose. Most can't afford it and are grateful for Medicare, but it's certainly an option available to us.
 

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