Where did the fear come from?

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I came across a thought in a book which said fearlessness at age 20 comes from not knowing what lies ahead. Fearlessness at 50 comes from having wrestled with life's challenges and learned from them.

I just wonder how I have lost so much confidence in my 60's? I was so brave at 20, I welcomed challenge, I wanted to change the world and I had such hope in my heart.
Now I am largely hiding, frightened of going anywhere much, just worried about everything. I've lost trust in just about everyone and prefer solitude.

Take driving. I loved going on adventures in my car, speeding along and feeling thrilled. Now I am hard pushed to go more than a few miles and only in a familiar route. I am petrified of heavy traffic.

So, why do the years of life's experience not necessarily provide confidence and strength? Maybe they do for you?
 

No they don't. I get through by remaining positive as much as I can while sleeping as much as I can. Life has worn me down to a nub in the past few years and this is normal with what we've all been through with the pandemic and everything, but the media likes to feed us steady streams of the most alarming news they can find and throw it at us 24/7. In the US it's an election year with the most appalling choices possible. It's more work than it used to be to find pleasure and relaxation. To answer your question why? Maybe because when we were 20 we weren't so sick of it all. Being positive should be a pleasure. Now it's work. It really is. For me it's fatigue.
 
I can relate to both of you. Fearlessness at a young age often came from not knowing about the dangers. Now that we are older and much more experienced we are more careful also. This is not wrong per se. But the Corona plandemic as I prefer to call it, since it was planned for many years, added more fear, at least to a lot of people, but fortunately not in my case. Rose, you'd need good company of positive and fearless people to get out of your anxieties. And if you suffer from depression, perhaps psychological help could be a good idea. I wish you success in overcoming your problems.
 

It feels like yesterday that I'd get in the car and drive 10 hours straight to visit one son at school or attend another's wedding or just take a 4 day weekend looking at possible retirement communities and houses or hiking wilderness parkland. Now driving an hour each way is rare.

However I think I could go right back to that without trouble. We have navigation aids far beyond the maps I used to keep in a pocket on the back of the passenger seat.
 
George1959 said:
I can relate to both of you. Fearlessness at a young age often came from not knowing about the dangers. Now that we are older and much more experienced we are more careful also. This is not wrong per se. But the Corona plandemic as I prefer to call it, since it was planned for many years, added more fear, at least to a lot of people, but fortunately not in my case. Rose, you'd need good company of positive and fearless people to get out of your anxieties. And if you suffer from depression, perhaps psychological help could be a good idea. I wish you success in overcoming your problems.
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The Covid pandemic was planned?
What a great help there George. šŸ˜Ž
 
You have to be in the habit. When we're young, we're working and taking care of things on a daily basis.

Later in life, that isn't the case.

It's amazing to me that I drove the same 40 minute routes every day when,I had to go to work.

Now, on the rare occasions I do get out, I can't fully remember how to get places.

But like @dilettante said, it'll come back to you once you get doing it again.
 
Seems most things I do or don't do these days are based on practicality more than maybe anything else.
... and instinct honed by a lifetime of experience.

When young, there was a fresh full deck unsealed and any hand was possible.
The hands have been dealt and today just happy I can still ante up.
 
As far as driving, I know I don't have the reflexes of my youth, and I know that my mind tends to wander. So, I'm very careful, concentrate, and only drive locally when necessary. And, I know that if I were in an accident being 84 would work against me.

As for fearlessness, I've accepted that being fearful doesn't change anything. If something bad is going to happen, it will happen whether or not I'm fearful of it. So, there's no benefit from fear unless it causes you to take sensible precautions.

No doubt, bad things will happen, maybe some good things too. When they do I'll deal with them the best I can. In the meantime, I'll just try to make the best of the time I have left.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
The Covid pandemic was planned?
What a great help there George. šŸ˜Ž
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It was planned. In 2000 Bill Gates founded GAVI.
GAVI - Wikipedia
Since 2001 ("Dark Winter") there were several so-called pandemic exercises. The German investiagtive journalist Paul Schreyer had written a book on this with the title "Chronik einer angekĆ¼ndigten Krise" (Chronicle of an announced crisis).
Here a summary by one of the reader critics on Amazon:
"The course of the corona hysteria is traced back to the beginnings in disaster exercises of recent years, in which the strategies currently used by the heads of state have already been practiced.
2010: Lockstep - Rockefeller Foundation study on surveillance of the population
2018 Clade X exercise: development of PCR test and quarantine called lockdown
2019 Event 201 Exercise involving major international corporations, vaccine initiative and RNA vaccines, suppression of alternative opinions and evidence.
In principle, harmless at first. It's actually a good thing to prepare for pandemics internationally through exercises.
BUT in January 2020 in Davos, where all the decision-makers were together, the course was apparently already set for the later actions, although there were virtually no deaths from the virus at that time. So why, if the virus could not even begin to be described as a killer virus at the time? As early as January 16, 2020, the PCR test was developed for a virus that was rampant in China, and at that time only 200 people had fallen ill enough to be recorded as sick.
On January 24, when just 17 people in China had died from Covid, the dashboard went online.
The "frightening" images that the media love to show are also put into perspective. In 2018, there were flu clinics in hospital parking lots in the USA because they were overloaded. No one was interested at the time. In Germany at the time, hospitals were closing to admit patients due to overcrowding, including in my district.
Schreyer is not judgmental. He summarizes the facts and compares them with previous pandemic winters, which begs the question: do we now have to fear a lockdown every flu season, no matter what virus is currently running rampant? Why have governments overreacted so much, even though there are now publications, such as in the Lancet, which prove that the lockdown has not saved any lives and that mortality can be predicted primarily by the Gini coefficient and obesity."
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Do you remember the bird flu in 2004 which was much exaggerated to keep the people in fear? Do you remember the swine flu in 2009 with the same result? Both evil plans failed, since there was still an independent press and TV stations at that time. In 2009 the WHO changed the definition of a pandemic. Since that time a large number of deaths was not necessary anymore, with the result, that the WHO since 2009 can declare every simple cold as a pandemic. And the official mass media are now under control.
You should not believe everything what Fauci or (in Germany) Drosten announces, since they are supporters of BIG Pharma.
 
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Since I have become physically weaker I no longer feel safe in most situations. I've lost my power. You know those scenes in movies where i.e. Godzilla appears and everyone starts running for their lives? I can't run. I will be trampled by the crowd or Godzilla.

With every bit of strength I lose fear increases.
 
George1959 said:
It was planned. In 2000 Bill Gates founded GAVI.
GAVI - Wikipedia
Since 2001 ("Dark Winter") there were several so-called pandemic exercises. The German investiagtive journalist Paul Schreyer had written a book on this with the title "Chronik einer angekĆ¼ndigten Krise" (Chronicle of an announced crisis).
Here a summary by one of the reader critics on Amazon:
"The course of the corona hysteria is traced back to the beginnings in disaster exercises of recent years, in which the strategies currently used by the heads of state have already been practiced.
2010: Lockstep - Rockefeller Foundation study on surveillance of the population
2018 Clade X exercise: development of PCR test and quarantine called lockdown
2019 Event 201 Exercise involving major international corporations, vaccine initiative and RNA vaccines, suppression of alternative opinions and evidence.
In principle, harmless at first. It's actually a good thing to prepare for pandemics internationally through exercises.
BUT in January 2020 in Davos, where all the decision-makers were together, the course was apparently already set for the later actions, although there were virtually no deaths from the virus at that time. So why, if the virus could not even begin to be described as a killer virus at the time? As early as January 16, 2020, the PCR test was developed for a virus that was rampant in China, and at that time only 200 people had fallen ill enough to be recorded as sick.
On January 24, when just 17 people in China had died from Covid, the dashboard went online.
The "frightening" images that the media love to show are also put into perspective. In 2018, there were flu clinics in hospital parking lots in the USA because they were overloaded. No one was interested at the time. In Germany at the time, hospitals were closing to admit patients due to overcrowding, including in my district.
Schreyer is not judgmental. He summarizes the facts and compares them with previous pandemic winters, which begs the question: do we now have to fear a lockdown every flu season, no matter what virus is currently running rampant? Why have governments overreacted so much, even though there are now publications, such as in the Lancet, which prove that the lockdown has not saved any lives and that mortality can be predicted primarily by the Gini coefficient and obesity."
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Do you remember the bird flu in 2004 which was much exaggerated to keep the people in fear? Do you remember the swine flu in 2009 with the same result? Both evil plans failed, since there was still an independent press and TV stations at that time. In 2009 the WHO changed the definition of a pandemic. Since that time a large number of deaths was not necessary anymore, with the result, that the WHO since 2009 can declare every simple cold as a pandemic. And the official mass media are now under control.
You should not believe everything what Fauci or (in Germany) Drosten announces, since they are supporters of BIG Pharma.
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Wow. Youā€™ve clearly been following this for a while now. Do you own a gun George?
 
chic said:
No they don't. I get through by remaining positive as much as I can while sleeping as much as I can. Life has worn me down to a nub in the past few years and this is normal with what we've all been through with the pandemic and everything, but the media likes to feed us steady streams of the most alarming news they can find and throw it at us 24/7. In the US it's an election year with the most appalling choices possible. It's more work than it used to be to find pleasure and relaxation. To answer your question why? Maybe because when we were 20 we weren't so sick of it all. Being positive should be a pleasure. Now it's work. It really is. For me it's fatigue.
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
Pepper said:
Since I have become physically weaker I no longer feel safe in most situations. I've lost my power. You know those scenes in movies where i.e. Godzilla appears and everyone starts running for their lives? I can't run. I will be trampled by the crowd or Godzilla.

With every bit of strength I lose fear increases.
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Me too. I am almost embarrassed how weak I feel overall and how easily tired. My bad knees mean I could never run again.
 
Pepper said:
Since I have become physically weaker I no longer feel safe in most situations. I've lost my power. You know those scenes in movies where i.e. Godzilla appears and everyone starts running for their lives? I can't run. I will be trampled by the crowd or Godzilla.

With every bit of strength I lose fear increases.
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:) Could it help maybe to ask yourself, 'What is the WORST that could happen?' Then accept that and go on.
 
I don't have the fear of much of anything. But, I know my weaknesses at 91, so I am simply cautious as much as possible.

I do have balance problems and my fear of falling is what gets to me. Happens too often. I tire easily, so use a rollator when that is necessary.

I stay well rested as much as possible, except during my PT sessions.
 
Lewkat said:
I don't have the fear of much of anything. But, I know my weaknesses at 91, so I am simply cautious as much as possible.

I do have balance problems and my fear of falling is what gets to me. Happens too often. I tire easily, so use a rollator when that is necessary.

I stay well rested as much as possible, except during my PT sessions.
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:) Stay safe, Lewkat. You mustn't fall!
 
It's funny because having not seen this thread until now , I was just thinking today how when I was young that I never took notice of anything around me, and did my own thing, never even giving it a thought to what other people think... right through my 20's 30's and even in my 40's..

I'm a pretty fearless person all around .. and still am. I'm not afraid to drive at night. altho' ridiculous blinding headlights make it my last option to do these days given that we literally drive on roads only 20 feet wide with oncoming traffic.... but I learned to drive in the dark, and I always felt comfortable driving in the dark.

I do notice the difference in the lengths I'm prepared to drive now.. a whole, day driving never phased me in the past.. but a combination of dodgy knees.. and huge increases in traffic which means increased times in journeys as well...means the most I'm prepared to drive is 3 hours...

I'm 69 next month..I'm still a fearless type of person.. but I am now very much more aware of other people, and their opinions..only people that know me .. not those who don't....not to say that I would change anything if people don't like what I do or say... but sometimes it makes me think ahead to consider what effect it might have on someone else..


If King Kong appeared in front of me... bad knees or not..I can still run... and I would be off like a shot... They might pain me for days after, but I'm not going to be scared of anyone or anything.. that I I can either, conquer, beat down, or run from...
 
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