Where does God live?

papa tiger said:
The Photon is distorted in flight by gravity proving it has some immensurable bit of some kind of weight.
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I wouldnt put it that way, as a photon has no weight or mass. From my understanding, mass as in a planet or some other body, distorts space -- it curves space. Prom the photon's perspective is traveling in a straight line through space. Its just that the space is being curved by gravity, so the photon with follow that curve.

papa tiger said:
Don't photons turn into momentary electrons if the circumstances prevail and the force of the atom hold
them until they get more energy?
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I don't think I have ever read that. I thought that a photon can be absorbed by an atom, which might give the atom additional energy. That additional energy then being revealed as another but separate new photon from the original, perhaps?

papa tiger said:
Doesn't energy claim the orbits levels of the electrons.
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I believe so.

papa tiger said:
I always sort of like the explanation of Deep space as being Ether. Having much energy in it per given size measured.
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Hmmm? I don't suppose empty space is actually empty. Maybe so called empty space would collapse if it was empty or completely void of any force or energy. An interesting point you make.
 

Naturally said:
Intended as a metaphor. There are those in "darkness" ... a metaphor.
It was a light I moved toward in my near death experience ... or maybe it moved to me.
Nevertheless, the light grew in brightness until there was no more darkness.
That is until He sent me back away from the light and along a long dark "tunnel" to awaken wondering why i went to sleep talking on the telephone.
It was not a light that science has yet measured ... as far as I know. And certainly not bound by physical laws.
Why I tossed in the words perspective and context.

My higher power did not tell me His name. Nor did He espouse a particular religion.
I've thought it to be a spiritual experience rather than religious.

There are those who snip and scoff at the truth and profound personal experience I've shared.
To me it is all negative energy and maybe I need to back away for a bit and cleanse myself of that energy.
I have no compelling need to defend what I have experienced or my perceptions.
Nor do I wish to dissect it and debate it with minutia ad nauseam.

Guess if anyone is looking for me, I'll be bathing in the stream of consciousness.
A clean soul is a happy soul ;)
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I clearly don't think like you, I don't have all your experiences, so it takes me time to figure out where you might be coming from. I read this latest post of yours with my head supported in both hands. My elbows on my desk. My eyes wide open and a smile on my face. This you say sheds more light on it, so to speak. :) And thank you for sharing.

We develop a sense of what is real based on what we see at our level, in and on this world. The laws of physics and chemistry. The logic and reasoning that holds those laws together. The experimentation with those laws and the constant proving and consistency of them. This is what helps us to understand the world around us and helps us to understand how it works.

Then we come to a point where we are able to look beyond that -- we then look deeper at our world and universe. We look at the small through quantum physics. We look at the large in deeper outer space. Through that we see things we have not seen or discovered before, and we then see things that don’t make sense as they contradict our well established and proven "universal laws". Our established logic, the things that previously made sense, then goes out of the window. We then might feel lost because of that. As a human race, collectively we suddenly feel we aren't as clever as we thought we were. Suddenly we are children again, in a place that is not making sense when we thought it previously did.

There is a lot out there that we don’t know and can’t explain, when previously we thought we were able to, through science, logic, and logical reasoning, and everything else that goes with it. No doubt there is a lot that we have not yet discovered. What other cosmic powers or energies, or phenomena might we eventually discover and be forced to develop a new or different logic for, a different way of thinking? Might we find a force or energy that works independently of everything else? Will that be something we might call God?

The more we learn, the more we realise we don't know. The more we realise that things might be far more complex than we first thought. There is humility when truly learning. Without humility, we won't learn. Or we may as well attempt to 'learn' with our eyes closed.
 

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Naturally said:
Intended as a metaphor. There are those in "darkness" ... a metaphor. And they wait for the light.
It was a light I moved toward in my near death experience ... or maybe it moved to me.
Nevertheless, the light grew in brightness until there was no more darkness.
That is until He sent me back away from the light and along a long dark "tunnel" to awaken wondering why i went to sleep talking on the telephone.
It was not a light that science has yet measured ... as far as I know. And certainly not bound by physical laws.
Why I tossed in the words perspective and context.

My higher power did not tell me His name. Nor did He espouse a particular religion.
I've thought it to be a spiritual experience rather than religious.

There are those who snip and scoff at the truth and profound personal experience I've shared.
To me it is all negative energy and maybe I need to back away for a bit from this thread and cleanse myself of that energy.
I have no compelling need to defend what I have experienced or my perceptions.
Nor do I wish to dissect it and debate it with minutia ad nauseam.

Guess if anyone is looking for me, I'll be bathing in the stream of consciousness.
A clean soul is a happy soul ;)
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Did you see Colored light or black and white like a dream while you were subconscious. Heaven paved in gold bricks, not Black and white crap.
 
Magna-Carta said:
I wouldnt put it that way, as a photon has no weight or mass. From my understanding, mass as in a planet or some other body, distorts space -- it curves space. Prom the photon's perspective is traveling in a straight line through space. Its just that the space is being curved by gravity, so the photon with follow that curve.


I don't think I have ever read that. I thought that a photon can be absorbed by an atom, which might give the atom additional energy. That additional energy then being revealed as another but separate new photon from the original, perhaps?


I believe so.


Hmmm? I don't suppose empty space is actually empty. Maybe so called empty space would collapse if it was empty or completely void of any force or energy. An interesting point you make.
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I didn't state that right, the group of Atoms absorbs energy, then when the electron changes orbit due to the energy level, it emits the photon. Probably Solar panels are an example of Electron emittance instead of Photons blowing out. Depends on the Silicone Atoms absorbing the photons, right.
 
Knight said:
Think of it this way.
A box is going to be built. The builder can't be inside the box.
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If one subscribes to the narratives in the Bible and many teachings of the Catholic faith, then the principles of physics as modern science understands them may not hold true. A God who is eternal, omnipotent, and capable of creating everything from nothing could undoubtedly construct a box from within it. However, if God resides within us merely as an idea or a hope, the question then becomes more about the nature of belief and the divine within us.
 
If there is a God and he/she created all of which we speak - we may actually got it all wrong and therefore it sure don't matter - and his/her creation of humanity has just got worser and worser and worser - don't you think?
 
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Warrigal said:
All people place their faith in something - science, wealth and power are just a few examples. Some place their faith in family, or in their own talents or abilities.
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With respect, that's different. For example, Science is process. It is a process that requires a reproducible, demonstrable, result. As such, having faith in that process makes sense. At least, it's the best human kind has yet come up with.

Faith in family? Surely that's demonstrably misplaced many times?

Same with faith in our abilities etc. We can't just pull it out of fresh air. Only by achieving something can we reasonably begin to have faith in what can come next.

Warrigal said:
A young child, for example, has faith in their mother and/or father and trusts them to be protective and all knowing. Later, as the child matures into adulthood, the childish faith gives way to something different - sometimes love, sometimes disillusion.
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Perhaps this was because they were protective? Sadly, many children never get to experience this. As a child, didn't you base your stated faith because your parents had demonstrably cared for you?
 
Rich said:
I was prepared to oppose your view until I read your final sentence. It seems to me that much of what appears to be stupidity is actually driven by greed. This is especially true for the pollution we see today—intelligent individuals wouldn't tolerate it, but those driven by greed have a motive to permit it
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You know, if it were only greed, then i think we could take care of it. But sadly, I think it goes beyond that. Simply, there are people who just don't care. I watched a video on YT that visited tannery's in India. There is a stream, which leads to a river near the factories. They drink and wash in that water. Yet, the pollution, chemicals etc. from the tanneries are allowed to flow into that water without any kind of processing. It's pure ignorance and not caring.

There was also mention of parts of India where there is a problem with antibiotics no longer being effective. Why? Because of factories that make the drugs just pour their waste into rivers, and again - people bathe and drink using that water - and therefore they've had a massive dose of antibiotics over time, and they're no longer effective.

I think greed is part of it, but worse for me are those who simply shrug their shoulders and say they don't give a damn.
 
Joey said:
If there is a God and he/she created all of which we speak - we may actually got it all wrong and therefore it sure don't matter - and his/her creation of humanity has just got worser and worser and worser - don't you think?
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We could discuss the totality of human kind, but let's zero in on most of the organized religions first. The abuse that has been uncovered. The assaults of women and children. Organized religion has killed itself. It is no longer has a righteous organization. And it's not about the church overall, for example not all Catholics are evil. However, it is systemically corrupt, and people are no longer afraid of saying so.
 
Gary O' said:
Read further

You'll find He's omnipresent

Forgive any typos as I'm now too blind to fix
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Sorry about the eyesight Gary. I'm sure it makes many things rather difficult.
I have explored the omnipresent idea for quite some time, and I do see some problems with the concept.

If that is the case, then I really think the Lord's prayer needs to be fixed to read: "Our father, who art everywhere ....."
In addition, the concept does present some rather difficult things to grapple with. My understanding of it's meaning in this context is that God is everywhere at all times. Negatively stated, there is nowhere that God is absent. If there is anywhere he is not, then he is not omnipresent by definition. This means that he is even present in the minds of evil people and even in Satan (Assuming you believe he exists).

Also, it is confusing in passages where God comes down from heaven, such as the story of the Tower of Babel, and Jesus reportedly said: "in my father's house are many mansions ....". There are many others as well that indicate God is in heaven. I suppose one could argue that God the father is in heaven, God the Holy spirit is everywhere, and Jesus came to earth and is now back with his father. However, you still have the omnipresent problem that he is even in places he shouldn't be found, such as in the minds of non-believers and those who are evil. It's a pickle.
 
Axel Slingerland said:
I had the same nonsense taught to me as well. And I believed it for years. Starting when I was about 6, I spent two months of the summer with my grandparents in different parks around the country. Then when I was 11 or 12 years old we went to Yellowstone. When I wasn't out riding my bike all over the Geyser Basins, I'd be sitting at the visitor center they volunteered in reading many of the books they had for sale. I was fascinated by Yellowstone.
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I believe I was in 5th grade when my teacher, Miss Hurd, first talked about what was then called continental drift. This was when most of the scientific community rejected it outright. She didn't laugh at it, reject it or accept it. She just explained the theory, and mentioned some of the evidence that supported it. She left the topic as just something to think about. It's odd that I remembered her bringing it up, because I doubt she spent more than 10 minutes on the topic. It was probably something that had recently appeared in some magazine. By the time I got to college, the idea was mostly mainstream, with a few hold outs.

Axel Slingerland said:
According to Nick Zentner, Geology Instructor at Central Washington University, due to what he referred to as the "Circular Rotation of the Pacific Northwest", the caldera that resulted from a explosion for the hotspot used to be somewhere near Eureka 55 million years ago, is now somewhere up by Tillamook, Oregon.
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The Hawaiian Archipelago, a string of islands that stretches almost 1000 miles from east to west, is a good example. The Big Island on the east end has two huge volcanoes that grew the island out of the sea floor, and as you travel west through the archipelago, the islands keep getting smaller until they end up being little more than hazards to navigation, hardly worth naming.

But each island was formed by the same hot spot that is currently forming the Big Island of Hawaii, and each island, once being the biggest island in the chain, has eroded away over millions of years as the chain migrates west from the hot spot. Currently, the hot spot now lies east of the Big Island and is active underwater, building a new island that will eventually come to the surface.
 
VaughanJB said:
With respect, that's different. For example, Science is process. It is a process that requires a reproducible, demonstrable, result. As such, having faith in that process makes sense. At least, it's the best human kind has yet come up with.

Faith in family? Surely that's demonstrably misplaced many times?
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Faith is fickle. The way I look at it, it can be argued that we all have faith in something, the operative word being "argued," as left open for discussion. For all the virtue we assign to faith, the fact is that faith does not require confirmation, making it a weak argument for absolute truth.
 
JustDave said:
I believe I was in 5th grade when my teacher, Miss Hurd, first talked about what was then called continental drift. This was when most of the scientific community rejected it outright. She didn't laugh at it, reject it or accept it. She just explained the theory, and mentioned some of the evidence that supported it. She left the topic as just something to think about. It's odd that I remembered her bringing it up, because I doubt she spent more than 10 minutes on the topic. It was probably something that had recently appeared in some magazine. By the time I got to college, the idea was mostly mainstream, with a few hold outs.


The Hawaiian Archipelago, a string of islands that stretches almost 1000 miles from east to west, is a good example. The Big Island on the east end has two huge volcanoes that grew the island out of the sea floor, and as you travel west through the archipelago, the islands keep getting smaller until they end up being little more than hazards to navigation, hardly worth naming.

But each island was formed by the same hot spot that is currently forming the Big Island of Hawaii, and each island, once being the biggest island in the chain, has eroded away over millions of years as the chain migrates west from the hot spot. Currently, the hot spot now lies east of the Big Island and is active underwater, building a new island that will eventually come to the surface.
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I remember when I was young, we used to go to a place on a hillside and find fossils, and many of them looked like flat seashells. In time, I thought the accounts must be true of a worldwide flood because how else could these shells get there. It wasn't till years later that I understood the concept of tectonic plates and drift. Also, that mountains didn't just magically appear that way. They were pushed up by those same forces, as well as volcanic activity.

Apparently the supercontinent of Pangea broke apart some 200 million years ago. Land masses are either moving toward each other or away at an average speed of .6 per year. Doesn't sound like much, but in just 1000 years, that's 50 ft, and in 100,000 years, that's a mile.
 
Just think about it the universe must be so so fast we must have distant cousins all over the place maybe scratching their heads and wondering about the same things - maybe we will all meet up one billion days ahead?
 
Gary O' said:
I'd love to reply to all of your comment
but my eyes only give me so muxh to read
so
I'll begin and end with this;

He IS our heavenly Father
Satan is not in heaven

We have a choice in fathers
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I had a college professor once who said that if any of you get a failing grade, then I have failed in my job as your teacher.
 
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