Late night musings about same sex marriage.

seadoug said:
I can only add my personal perspective. My hubby and I were together for 24 years prior to same-sex marriages being made legal. We never even felt the need to get married because we knew we would be together until the end. We married in December 2015, not for financial reasons but in the event either one of us became sick we would have full rights to care for each other. We haven't really seen any significant difference in filing jointly but if I become sick at least he can make medical decisions for me. He is 8 years younger so it's a real possibility.

When my position was eliminated after 20 years and I took early retirement, he went back to work and I was on his healthcare plan until I was eligible for Medicare. I can't imagine two straight people having that level of dedication to one another.

We were married by a Methodist clergy in his condo building with a witness. We didn't think we would become emotional during the ceremony but we did. I do think it is a possibility with a conservative SCOTUS that same-sex marriages may be scrutinized but I don't think any that have already taken place will not be acknowledged.
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As you know some Gay men and women were not that thrilled when it was legalized as now their partners wanted to get married but it is only way to get same legal rights as Heterosexuals .

One could say some hated it .

 

seadoug said:
I can only add my personal perspective. My hubby and I were together for 24 years prior to same-sex marriages being made legal. We never even felt the need to get married because we knew we would be together until the end. We married in December 2015, not for financial reasons but in the event either one of us became sick we would have full rights to care for each other. We haven't really seen any significant difference in filing jointly but if I become sick at least he can make medical decisions for me. He is 8 years younger so it's a real possibility.

When my position was eliminated after 20 years and I took early retirement, he went back to work and I was on his healthcare plan until I was eligible for Medicare. I can't imagine two straight people having that level of dedication to one another.

We were married by a Methodist clergy in his condo building with a witness. We didn't think we would become emotional during the ceremony but we did. I do think it is a possibility with a conservative SCOTUS that same-sex marriages may be scrutinized but I don't think any that have already taken place will not be acknowledged.
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I do not know if you have ever been to Key West I am doing what I call '' comedy '' in 2 weeks there but I do not get paid , in fact so bad I might need to pay the place to let me do it , however I laugh and that is what counts .
 

It seems to be a case of "we are different - and want to remain different" but ALSO want the same rights as all those who are not different? - bit of a selfish notion in there somewhere ain't there?
 
NotCompSavy said:
I do not know if you have ever been to Key West I am doing what I call '' comedy '' in 2 weeks there but I do not get paid , in fact so bad I might need to pay the place to let me do it , however I laugh and that is what counts .
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We went to Key West many years ago and stayed in a guest house. It was great.
 
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smiley said:
It seems to be a case of "we are different - and want to remain different" but ALSO want the same rights as all those who are not different? - bit of a selfish notion in there somewhere ain't there?
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I am no different than any straight person other than the person I choose to love. We are just the same old boring couple that has dinner at the same time every night and enjoy watching TV together with two cats in our laps. We have lots of straight friends. Please do educate me on your statement.

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I just hope the Queers stop the cruelty. Live in peace.
But that's mostly an inheritance from the human race and just a part of it all.
The ones I have met, I knew - they were meaner a snake.
I'm past that, they have become older adults and live in other states. It was just part of work.
 
smiley said:
It seems to be a case of "we are different - and want to remain different" but ALSO want the same rights as all those who are not different? - bit of a selfish notion in there somewhere ain't there?
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Can you expand on this a bit? Do you think that "different" people are not entitled to the same rights as those that are not different? By they way, according to recent estimates, approximately 5.5% of U.S. adults identify as LGBTQ, which translates to nearly 13.9 million people. The percentage of LGBTQ+ individuals varies by age, with nearly one in six young adults (ages 18-24) identifying as LGBTQ. Additionally, a 2025 Gallup poll found that 9.3% of adult Americans identified as LGBTQ+, that's about 24 million people.
 
911 said:
Same sex marriages have already been ruled on by the Supreme Court. I believe they cited the 14th amendment as allowing same sex marriages, but you may want to check it out for yourself. I carry a copy of the Constitution with me and I will check it out later. No matter where it is in the Constitution, they high court has already ruled on it as being legal.
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They also previously approved Roe. There is no comfort in the Supreme Court.
 
Pepper said:
They also previously approved Roe. There is no comfort in the Supreme Court.
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However, Roe was not overturned, but handed off to states to decide. In other words, the SC gave it back to the people and it’s working. In PA during the last election, we had 2 candidates running. Shapiro and McCormick. Shapiro was pro choice and McCormick was pro life. Shapiro won big. The people have spoken.
 
911 said:
However, Roe was not overturned, but handed off to states to decide. In other words, the SC gave it back to the people and it’s working. In PA during the last election, we had 2 candidates running. Shapiro and McCormick. Shapiro was pro choice and McCormick was pro life. Shapiro won big. The people have spoken.
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A majority should not have the right to take rights from a minority. Minorities are supposed to be protected. One's welfare is not up for a vote. I stand by what I said, Roe was overturned by a rogue Supreme Court majority.

What if the majority said no blacks allowed? Or Jews? Or trans? F the majority when it comes to one's rights over one's OWN person.

The End. I am talked out.
 
seadoug said:
I can only add my personal perspective. My hubby and I were together for 24 years prior to same-sex marriages being made legal. We never even felt the need to get married because we knew we would be together until the end. We married in December 2015, not for financial reasons but in the event either one of us became sick we would have full rights to care for each other. We haven't really seen any significant difference in filing jointly but if I become sick at least he can make medical decisions for me. He is 8 years younger so it's a real possibility.

When my position was eliminated after 20 years and I took early retirement, he went back to work and I was on his healthcare plan until I was eligible for Medicare. I can't imagine two straight people having that level of dedication to one another.

We were married by a Methodist clergy in his condo building with a witness. We didn't think we would become emotional during the ceremony but we did. I do think it is a possibility with a conservative SCOTUS that same-sex marriages may be scrutinized but I don't think any that have already taken place will not be acknowledged.
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You may want to work on your imagination.
 
Seadoug correct me if I am wrong - I took him to be saying he can't imagine 2 straight people of same sex pretending to be in a gay marriage ( as per OP's question) showing that level of dedication.,
Not that he can't imagine 2 straight people in a genuine straight man and woman marriage doing so.,
 
seadoug said:
I can only add my personal perspective. My hubby and I were together for 24 years prior to same-sex marriages being made legal. We never even felt the need to get married because we knew we would be together until the end. We married in December 2015, not for financial reasons but in the event either one of us became sick we would have full rights to care for each other. We haven't really seen any significant difference in filing jointly but if I become sick at least he can make medical decisions for me. He is 8 years younger so it's a real possibility.

When my position was eliminated after 20 years and I took early retirement, he went back to work and I was on his healthcare plan until I was eligible for Medicare. I can't imagine two straight people having that level of dedication to one another.

We were married by a Methodist clergy in his condo building with a witness. We didn't think we would become emotional during the ceremony but we did. I do think it is a possibility with a conservative SCOTUS that same-sex marriages may be scrutinized but I don't think any that have already taken place will not be acknowledged.
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Thanks for pointing this out and YES other couples are long term dedicated and only marry for similar reasons as yours.

I have been with my NOW spouse since 1984... we married 2018 after seeing another long term straight couple go thru not able to make medical decisions in an end of life situation etc. even celebrity couples like goldie hawn / kurt russell are fine without a marriage .....
marriage is a legal contract with pros and cons as far as i can see.
 
Pepper said:
A majority should not have the right to take rights from a minority. Minorities are supposed to be protected. One's welfare is not up for a vote. I stand by what I said, Roe was overturned by a rogue Supreme Court majority.

What if the majority said no blacks allowed? Or Jews? Or trans? F the majority when it comes to one's rights over one's OWN person.

The End. I am talked out.
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Sorry if I upset you but I refuse to argue over an issue that no one can win. A lot of the country have differences of opinion on this issue. And besides, most “what if” questions are hypothetical scenarios that sometimes turn into arguments and I learned early in my training as a law enforcement officer that no one wins arguments based on hypothetical scenarios.

Have a nice day. (Not meant to be sarcastic.)
 
911 said:
Sorry if I upset you but I refuse to argue over an issue that no one can win. A lot of the country have differences of opinion on this issue. And besides, most “what if” questions are hypothetical scenarios that sometimes turn into arguments and I learned early in my training as a law enforcement officer that no one wins arguments based on hypothetical scenarios.

Have a nice day. (Not meant to be sarcastic.)
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You are right, I am through with arguing at this stage of life. I knew you were not being sarcastic as you are not that kind of person and I have great respect for you and all you have accomplished in your life and career (((911))). Pardon me if I get "het" up. I admit this subject is my trigger. Hope you took no offense in my comments either.
 

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