Breaking News MPs vote to legalise assisted dying in the UK

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I'm over the moon... it's taken years for this to happen.......



Assisted dying is set to become legal after MPs backed the biggest change to suicide law in decades despite warnings people will die unnecessarily.

Medics will be allowed to help the terminally ill end their own lives after a bitterly contested vote in the Commons this afternoon.

MPs voted by 314 to 291 - a majority of 23 - to approve Kim Leadbeater's Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill despite warnings that it was rushed through and could negatively affect the disabled, domestic abuse victims and people with anorexia.

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Under the legislation terminally ill people in England and Wales diagnosed with less than six months to live will be allowed to seek medical help to die.

It is expected that the process will launch by the end of the decade, with estimates suggesting as many as 4,000 people will use it annually within 10 years.



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hollydolly said:
I'm over the moon... it's taken years for this to happen.......



Assisted dying is set to become legal after MPs backed the biggest change to suicide law in decades despite warnings people will die unnecessarily.

Medics will be allowed to help the terminally ill end their own lives after a bitterly contested vote in the Commons this afternoon.

MPs voted by 314 to 291 - a majority of 23 - to approve Kim Leadbeater's Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill despite warnings that it was rushed through and could negatively affect the disabled, domestic abuse victims and people with anorexia.

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Under the legislation terminally ill people in England and Wales diagnosed with less than six months to live will be allowed to seek medical help to die.

It is expected that the process will launch by the end of the decade, with estimates suggesting as many as 4,000 people will use it annually within 10 years.



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I hope there's strict criteria.
 
My father was extremely ill, doctors gave him three months at best to live. He was given a trial drug & lived another healthy , happy twenty three years
A very slippery slope that I don’t agree with.

Neither do I agree with the recently passed legislation that allows abortion ( murder?) of a fully formed baby right up to the time of birth.
I was born soon after the war, two & a half months premature, before incubators, NHS, all the advances in premature care. I’m still here none the worse for it.
 
Every bridge, skyscraper & cliffs going to have long waiting lists and lines patiently waiting for an end.
Lots have been falling out of windows in Russia I noticed. Probably will see the stairs to the roof unlocked.
 
Mitch86 said:
In October, 2018, I was pronounced as "almost dead" and was referred to Vitas Hospice to handle my dying. Today at 90 years old I'm still in good health. My doctor had thought I was dying in her office and referred me to a funeral parlor.
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Did you look for a competent Dr. Mitch ? ... :cool: ...
 
hollydolly said:
I'm over the moon... it's taken years for this to happen.......



Assisted dying is set to become legal after MPs backed the biggest change to suicide law in decades despite warnings people will die unnecessarily.

Medics will be allowed to help the terminally ill end their own lives after a bitterly contested vote in the Commons this afternoon.

MPs voted by 314 to 291 - a majority of 23 - to approve Kim Leadbeater's Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill despite warnings that it was rushed through and could negatively affect the disabled, domestic abuse victims and people with anorexia.

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Under the legislation terminally ill people in England and Wales diagnosed with less than six months to live will be allowed to seek medical help to die.

It is expected that the process will launch by the end of the decade, with estimates suggesting as many as 4,000 people will use it annually within 10 years.



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Mom spent months going thru death. She said all I want to do is die, over and over. Sometimes it took some time to locate where
they took her next. Bedridden, unable to do anything for herself. Miserable, life isn't fair.
 
papa tiger said:
Mom spent months going thru death. She said all I want to do is die, over and over. Sometimes it took some time to locate where
they took her next. Bedridden, unable to do anything for herself. Miserable, life isn't fair.
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Precisely that. I'm so sorry your mum was one of the many millions of people who have not been allowed to express their wish to end their own lives when all hope is clearly gone.

If we made our pets suffer like that we'd be arrested.. so it's very important that we humans can make these decisions for ourselves...
 
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Pendle said:
My father was extremely ill, doctors gave him three months at best to live. He was given a trial drug & lived another healthy , happy twenty three years
A very slippery slope that I don’t agree with.
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yes there's always going to be cases like that.. the ultimate permission is given to the patient , not their families, so if the patient feels they're life is not worth living, if the patient knows there is nothing that can be done to extend their life, and free them from pain, and the doctors agree, that they would have less than 6 months to live and they will live it in pain and suffering, . then only then can they have the right to sk someone to end their life..and permission will be granted

People are scaremongering... saying families will knock off granny.. well that's not going to be the case..it hasn't been in all the countries that have allowed assited dying up until now, so why woud it happen here...

The fact is people in the UK can have it done now and they have been for many years by just going to Switzzerland and paying £10k.... this new bill will help people who either can't afford that money, and or.. cannot travel to have their life ended...

It's a disgrace this has been happening all this time as it is....
 
I disagree with it, I sympathise with those who are in pain and terminal,
I have watched friends, suffer and die in agony, for those people I think
that it is good that they have the option, but I don't trust the Government,
if they run short of money, they will start thinking about the long term
disabled, those who have no chance of improvement and how to get them
off benefits, look what happened about the "Winter Fuel Payment" for the
elderly, they stopped it dead, without consultation, so they don't really care.

Doctors will not like the idea of taking a life, needlessly, they all sign the
"Hippocratic Oath", to protect human life and to do the best to improve
that life, or similar words to that effect.

So I fear for the long term sick, those who are not in pain or despair, those
with hopes to get well again!

My brother has been bed bound for over a year, when he asked for some
Physio Therapy, he was told that he already had too much, he had, had 3
or 4 sessions in the hospital, what they really meant I believe was that they
had no money to spend on him, without it, he will never be able to stand
or to walk on his own, ever again, I fear.

He is one candidate for this act, but he does pay for carers to live in with
him, as he needs 24 hours care.

So there are two sides to this, I am afraid that I really am a cynic.

Mike.
 
Mike the govt haven't; started knocking people off in countries that already have had the assisted dying laws for years...why would they start doing it here ?

I just wonder that all of you naysayers, if you find yourself in a position where you have a terminal illness and are suffering dreadfully,.. and begging for someone to put you out of your misery...you don't come up against a naysayer who refuses..
 
I remember reading of an elderly US Indian who sat out in the weather after his tribe had moved on.
I don't look forward to my ending week/ day / hour but if I have a choice, I want them to end quickly.
It seems bravery in death. Cowardice is different I believe!
 
I walked into the hospital where my dying mom was being kept. I found her in a straitjacket strapped to her bed. I asked the nurse what was going on and she nonchalantly said "Oh, something must have burst inside her. She just went crazy. The doctor did not leave orders for any more drugs."

This was 45 years ago and it still brings anger and grief and tears to my eyes. My children do not know this story but I have always told my children that no matter what it takes I will not go through what my mother had to. I am happy for you @hollydolly . I wish our country had the courage to do the same thing.
 
Mike said:
Doctors will not like the idea of taking a life, needlessly, they all sign the
"Hippocratic Oath", to protect human life and to do the best to improve
that life, or similar words to that effect.
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I think you are projecting.
You do not like the idea.
There is nothing to suggest doctors won't like it and if they dont, as with anything else they do not like, they can refer the patient to somebody else - since it is the patients decicion not the doctor's.

UK is not the guinea pig with this - VAD already exists in many places and proceeds quite smoothly.

Of course if YOU dont like the idea, when you are in pain and have a terminal illness with no quality of life - you can opt not to do it.

Others can opt to d o so if that is their choice
 
Pendle said:
My father was extremely ill, doctors gave him three months at best to live. He was given a trial drug & lived another healthy , happy twenty three years
A very slippery slope that I don’t agree with.

Neither do I agree with the recently passed legislation that allows abortion ( murder?) of a fully formed baby right up to the time of birth.
I was born soon after the war, two & a half months premature, before incubators, NHS, all the advances in premature care. I’m still here none the worse for it.
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Your father has you and all the loved ones that help him keep fighting. If he were alone, without all the help and push from you and all, is he better continue staying alive by himself, or, is he better off taking the medical assisted dying route or not? That's the question.
 
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Mike said:
Doctors will not like the idea of taking a life, needlessly, they all sign the
"Hippocratic Oath", to protect human life and to do the best to improve
that life, or similar words to that effect.

Mike.
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I have numerous doctors in my family, one of whom told me about a colleague of his who for reasons of faith was firmly against assisted dying. Her husband, also a doctor, became terminally ill with cancer and died a slow and painful death. She changed mind and became a an active advocate for the right to have assisted dying, other doctors stayed true to their faith driven ideology. Doctors, like the rest of us are a diverse community.
It is easy to argue that prolonging life when there is no quality of life is harmful to the patient. I believe that allowing patients to request assisted dying gives them an option of death with dignity.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/first-do-no-harm-201510138421 Yes, the pledger commits to avoiding harm, but there's nothing about making it a top priority.
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I see it as a personal choice.

The legalization of assisted suicide isn’t a mandate, if your moral compass doesn’t make it an option for you or the people that you love it shouldn’t prevent others from exercising their freedom of choice.

For me, it’s simply a cold and personal choice not to squander a lifetime of savings on what may be a very painful and ultimately losing battle.

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”
- Mark Twain
 
I have no memories of my pre-birth months. I don't que a lot about that.

I have 2 early memories, one not liking the lock on our front Yard gate.
The other, a 2-year-old, in the front yard looking at my older sister Mary Ellen.
 
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