There is “no safe amount” of processed meat to eat,

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There is strong evidence that there is “no safe amount” of processed meat to eat, nutrition experts say in response to a new study on the connection between diet and the risk of major diseases, including cancer, type 2 diabetes and heart disease. The researchers also found elevated risks from the consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages and trans fatty acids.

Researchers analyzed data from more than 60 previous studies on the relationship between processed meats, sugar-sweetened beverages and trans fatty acids in a person’s diet and their risk of type 2 diabetes, colorectal cancer and ischemic heart disease, which reduces blood supply to the heart and cuts off oxygen and nutrients, according to the study published Monday in the journal Nature Medicine.
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Habitual consumption of even small amounts of processed meat, sugary drinks, and trans fatty acids is linked to increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease and colorectal cancer,” said lead author of the study, Dr. Demewoz Haile, a research scientist at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle.


The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day when it comes to processed meats had an 11% greater risk of type 2 diabetes and a 7% increased risk of colorectal cancer than those who didn’t eat any. And drinking the equivalent of about a 12-ounce soda per day was associated with an 8% increase in type 2 diabetes risk and a 2% increased risk of ischemic heart disease.


“This current research has shown, yet again and consistent with prior research … that to achieve health gains it is best to avoid or minimize the habitual consumption of each of processed meat, sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) and industrially produced trans fatty acids (TFAs),” said Dr. Nita Forouhi, head of nutritional epidemiology at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom. She was not involved in the research.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...meat-to-eat-according-to-new-research/1790773
 

hollydolly said:
There is strong evidence that there is “no safe amount” of processed meat to eat, nutrition experts say in response to a new study on the connection between diet and the risk of major diseases, including cancer, type 2 diabetes and heart disease. The researchers also found elevated risks from the consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages and trans fatty acids.

Researchers analyzed data from more than 60 previous studies on the relationship between processed meats, sugar-sweetened beverages and trans fatty acids in a person’s diet and their risk of type 2 diabetes, colorectal cancer and ischemic heart disease, which reduces blood supply to the heart and cuts off oxygen and nutrients, according to the study published Monday in the journal Nature Medicine.


Habitual consumption of even small amounts of processed meat, sugary drinks, and trans fatty acids is linked to increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease and colorectal cancer,” said lead author of the study, Dr. Demewoz Haile, a research scientist at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle.


The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day when it comes to processed meats had an 11% greater risk of type 2 diabetes and a 7% increased risk of colorectal cancer than those who didn’t eat any. And drinking the equivalent of about a 12-ounce soda per day was associated with an 8% increase in type 2 diabetes risk and a 2% increased risk of ischemic heart disease.


“This current research has shown, yet again and consistent with prior research … that to achieve health gains it is best to avoid or minimize the habitual consumption of each of processed meat, sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) and industrially produced trans fatty acids (TFAs),” said Dr. Nita Forouhi, head of nutritional epidemiology at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom. She was not involved in the research.
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Yeah well, modern society that feeds more people than ever in history - it's a danger I'm willing to ignore.
 
It reminds me of a time my son was in the hospital with a very poor prognosis. He could not stomach hospital food for whatever reason. There was a McDonalds on the first floor. He would have someone pick up a cheeseburger and fries for him. His lovely Indian doctor (her name was Pretti) sighed and looked the other way.

They considered his recovery a complete miracle. I guess some nutrition is better than no nutrition at all.
 
Babs2u said:
It reminds me of a time my son was in the hospital with a very poor prognosis. He could not stomach hospital food for whatever reason. There was a McDonalds on the first floor. He would have someone pick up a cheeseburger and fries for him. His lovely Indian doctor (her name was Pretti) sighed and looked the other way.

They considered his recovery a complete miracle. I guess some nutrition is better than no nutrition at all.
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The secret of MacDonald's isn't the price, or availability. It's that it tastes really really good.

I've not had fast food for years, but when I think of a Big Mac and Fries..... the problem with it is that it tastes really really good. :D
 
As far back as I can remember, studies have questioned the safety of processed foods.

Everything is fine to eat in moderation. If you give your body consistently malnutritional food, I'm sure you'll get some disease.

Theres an expression that people use in response to the latest study. "Everything causes cancer".
 
OldFeller said:
As far back as I can remember, studies have questioned the safety of processed foods.

Everything is fine to eat in moderation. If you give your body consistently malnutritional food, I'm sure you'll get some disease.

Theres an expression that people use in response to the latest study. "Everything causes cancer".
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yes but you see that's what this study is saying.. it's not even safe in moderation...
 
Oh talking of fast food actually, I just read today that the average Brit spend £1,750 on Take-away food per year./:eek:

I was astounded.... I probably have a chinese take away once maybe pushing twice a year... and once a year I have KFC... I'm just astonished at £1750.... per person...

That said, whenever I've gone to collect my chinese food, the phone rings constantly with orders, every minute, and she always give the total over the phone.. and I've yet to hear any total under £50.. many of them are £75 and over... I once even heard a total of £145.... I nearly fell over
 
Ted01 said:
Isn't cooking meat, processing meat?
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yes you're correct essentially.... I think they should be referring to ULtra -Porcessed food...



Ultra-processed foods​

Sometimes the term ultra-processed foods (UPF) is used to refer to some processed foods and drinks. These have been through more processing than other foods.

The sya Ultra processed foods are one that have ingredients that you wouldn't normally have at home...




  • sweetened drinks
  • crisps
  • packaged cakes and biscuits
  • ice cream
  • sweets and chocolate
  • some ready meals
  • packaged meat pastries like pies and pasties
 
Processed meats are among the least healthy foods you can eat. Examples include bacon, sausage, ham, hot dogs, salami, and deli meat (such as deli roast beef or turkey). These foods contain high amounts of salt, unhealthy saturated fat, nitrates and nitrites, and other chemical additives (coloring, flavoring, and preservatives).


Eating lots of processed meat is associated with increased risks for cardiovascular disease as well as colorectal cancer. For example, a 2019 International Journal of Epidemiology study of almost 500,000 people found that those who ate red or processed meat four or more times per week had a 20% higher risk for developing colorectal cancer during the five-year follow-up period compared with people who ate red or processed meat less than twice a week.


The International Agency for Research on Cancer, part of the World Health Organization, classifies processed meat as carcinogenic (having the potential to cause cancer) to humans for colorectal cancer.
 
hollydolly said:
I dunno, I can't remember what you're talking about lol
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Here it is.
Edited to add this instead of just a link to previous info:
I don't dispute they've done studies finding these things, no processed meats, no eggs (cholesterol) no red meat (cancer) only 18 bites of chicken, no sugar (Alzheimer's) - plus I have IBS which cuts out a lot more. I can't keep up with it all, so just have to do the best I can, as they say in moderation.
But thanks for keeping us posted. There may be others here who want to stop eating some of those foods from these studies.
 
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MACKTEXAS said:
Here it is.
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well no, because in that article they were talking about cancer being caused potentially by eating chicken that has some carcinogen in their feed... not processed chicken... however presumably if that chicken feed thing is right.. when you eat unprocessed chicken, then eating it processed would double your chances of becoming ill
 
hollydolly said:
well no, because in that article they were talking about cancer being caused potentially by eating chicken that has some carcinogen in their feed... not processed chicken... however presumably if that chicken feed thing is right.. when you eat unprocessed chicken, then eating it processed would double your chances of becoming ill
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Okay, thanks, and I was editing my post just as you were replying, so now it's different than it was originally. :(
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Here it is.
Edited to add this instead of just a link to previous info:
I don't dispute they've done studies finding these things, no processed meats, no eggs (cholesterol) no red meat (cancer) only 18 bites of chicken, no sugar (Alzheimer's) - plus I have IBS which cuts out a lot more. I can't keep up with it all, so just have to do the best I can, as they say in moderation.
But thanks for keeping us posted. There may be others here who want to stop eating some of those foods from these studies.
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They've changed their mind about eggs and cholestrol, last time I read it.... they also say if you do eat a lot of eggs then the cholestrol is all in the yolk, so you can safely have an egg a day and add a couple of egg white to it ...


Chicken eggs are an affordable source of protein and other nutrients. They're also naturally high in cholesterol. But the cholesterol in eggs doesn't seem to raise cholesterol levels the way some other foods, such as those high in trans fats and saturated fats, do.


Although some studies have found a link between eating eggs and heart disease, there could be other reasons for these findings. The foods people typically eat with eggs, such as bacon, sausage and ham, might do more to boost heart disease risk than eggs do. Plus, the way eggs and other foods are cooked — especially if fried in oil or butter — might play more of a role in the increased risk of heart disease than eggs themselves do.



Most healthy people can eat up to seven eggs a week without increasing their risk of heart disease. Some studies have shown that this level of egg consumption might even help prevent certain types of stroke and a serious eye condition called macular degeneration that can lead to blindness.


But if you have diabetes, some research suggests that eating seven eggs a week increases heart disease risk. However, other research failed to find the same connection. Still other research suggests that eating eggs might increase the risk of developing diabetes in the first place. More research is needed to figure out the link between eggs, diabetes and heart disease.
 
hollydolly said:
They've changed their mind about eggs and cholestrol, last time I read it.... they also say if you do eat a lot of eggs then the cholestrol is all in the yolk, so you can safely have an egg a day and add a couple of egg white to it ...


Chicken eggs are an affordable source of protein and other nutrients. They're also naturally high in cholesterol. But the cholesterol in eggs doesn't seem to raise cholesterol levels the way some other foods, such as those high in trans fats and saturated fats, do.


Although some studies have found a link between eating eggs and heart disease, there could be other reasons for these findings. The foods people typically eat with eggs, such as bacon, sausage and ham, might do more to boost heart disease risk than eggs do. Plus, the way eggs and other foods are cooked — especially if fried in oil or butter — might play more of a role in the increased risk of heart disease than eggs themselves do.



Most healthy people can eat up to seven eggs a week without increasing their risk of heart disease. Some studies have shown that this level of egg consumption might even help prevent certain types of stroke and a serious eye condition called macular degeneration that can lead to blindness.


But if you have diabetes, some research suggests that eating seven eggs a week increases heart disease risk. However, other research failed to find the same connection. Still other research suggests that eating eggs might increase the risk of developing diabetes in the first place. More research is needed to figure out the link between eggs, diabetes and heart disease.
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Oh gee, who knows what they'll change their mind on next week or next year. We just do the best we can.
 
Also the sugar thing.. being related to a risk of Alzheimers.. is really not a direct link unless you're using a massive amount of sugar or sugary foods in the diet.. what the studies actually show is that people with Diabetes, are more likely to get Alzheimers...

Scientists Discover How Too Much Sugar Intake May Raise Alzheimer's Risk


red meat is fine as long as it's not processed ( I eat bacon twice a week) and you don't eat it every day ... ..but if you suffer from a very distressing problem like IBS then it's usually caused by something in the diet that your body hates... it could be anything...it could be coffee, it could be wheat, it could be dairy... the only way to find out is to cut everything out and start off again with a new slate..just eat wheat for a week see if you get sick.. etc
 
hollydolly said:
There is strong evidence that there is “no safe amount” of processed meat to eat, nutrition experts say in response to a new study on the connection between diet and the risk of major diseases, including cancer, type 2 diabetes and heart disease. The researchers also found elevated risks from the consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages and trans fatty acids.

Researchers analyzed data from more than 60 previous studies on the relationship between processed meats, sugar-sweetened beverages and trans fatty acids in a person’s diet and their risk of type 2 diabetes, colorectal cancer and ischemic heart disease, which reduces blood supply to the heart and cuts off oxygen and nutrients, according to the study published Monday in the journal Nature Medicine.
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Habitual consumption of even small amounts of processed meat, sugary drinks, and trans fatty acids is linked to increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease and colorectal cancer,” said lead author of the study, Dr. Demewoz Haile, a research scientist at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle.


The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day when it comes to processed meats had an 11% greater risk of type 2 diabetes and a 7% increased risk of colorectal cancer than those who didn’t eat any. And drinking the equivalent of about a 12-ounce soda per day was associated with an 8% increase in type 2 diabetes risk and a 2% increased risk of ischemic heart disease.


“This current research has shown, yet again and consistent with prior research … that to achieve health gains it is best to avoid or minimize the habitual consumption of each of processed meat, sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) and industrially produced trans fatty acids (TFAs),” said Dr. Nita Forouhi, head of nutritional epidemiology at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom. She was not involved in the research.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...meat-to-eat-according-to-new-research/1790773
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most EVERYTHING PREPPED FOR U.S. ... PACKAGED, BOTTLED, CANNED, EVEN FRESH IS HARMFUL. ... The COLOR OF CHICKEN MEAT, THE COLOR OF beef ... ITS ALL FAKED WITH DIES AND ADDITIVES TO KEEP IT FROM SPOILING plus GLUED TOGETHER. Lately PREPPED salads IN PLASTIC CARTONS HAVE DISAPPEARED HERE. tough, CHEWABLE BUT UNSWALLOWABLE BLOBS OF steak ARE AT RESTAURANTS TOO.
the; table SERVERS KEEP ASKING IF ITS OK. (IS THE DINNER OK,) YOU SEND IT BACK FOR MORE TOUGH UNSWALLOWABLE STEAK.
 
Many years ago i worked with a mathematician who was skeptical of studies. He might sat something like yes but did they ask how many had eaten clams in the past six months. His comments were silly enough to get a response and remind us to consider possible flaws in a study.
 
papa tiger said:
most EVERYTHING PREPPED FOR U.S. ... PACKAGED, BOTTLED, CANNED, EVEN FRESH IS HARMFUL. ... The COLOR OF CHICKEN MEAT, THE COLOR OF beef ... ITS ALL FAKED WITH DIES AND ADDITIVES TO KEEP IT FROM SPOILING plus GLUED TOGETHER. Lately PREPPED salads IN PLASTIC CARTONS HAVE DISAPPEARED HERE. tough, CHEWABLE BUT UNSWALLOWABLE BLOBS OF steak ARE AT RESTAURANTS TOO.
the; table SERVERS KEEP ASKING IF ITS OK. (IS THE DINNER OK,) YOU SEND IT BACK FOR MORE TOUGH UNSWALLOWABLE STEAK.
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..but you don't have to buy it bottled, canned, or packaged with additives you've never heard of...
 
studies are like statistics you can frame them to say anything.
I do not think processed food is a good for us ...........but the " no -safe" amount title seems to defeat the purpose to educate because it becomes lecture and making others feel in the wrong if they eat this and enjoy it.
too many variables to consider ... they had some sort of study to approve things as safe that new studies say are so bad now .... life is short to follow studies.

It is a personal choice to buy convenience vs buying items without all the added items.... cooking and making our own it is time consuming and a lot more trips to store as fresh does not last like a can does.
we went super low salt...... we cannot eat most all canned/ frozen or prepackaged foods. I read labels deeper then I ever have and my diet does not taste the same at all as most ingredients I do not use.... because the sodium.
 
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