Fake Somali Daycare Centres With No Children Pocketed Billions of Taxpayer Cash

I’ve been following these stories coming out of Minnesota.

IMO it seems like more of a political hit piece to instigate continued outrage over past immigration policies, the current governor, and a Somali American Congresswoman from Minnesota‘s 5th district than an attempt to expose governmental waste fraud and abuse.

I don’t understand the need to focus on the fact that these people are Somali refugees when the real culprit is poor bureaucratic controls over the public purse.

We don’t hear much about D.O.G.E. anymore but it seems like this is the type of waste fraud and abuse that they should be revealing at all levels of governent in all states, federal agencies, etc…and not just Minnesota.
 
This isn't a "political hit piece." Somali immigrants bilked state and Federal agencies out of an estimated $9 billion. The real culprits are 1) the Somalis who stole the money; and 2) the state government that not only let this happen but fired whistleblowers who reported on it.

The focus is on Somali immigrants because, well, they're the ones who stole the money. Shifting the blame to D.O.G.E. is a hilarious attempt at misdirection.
 

Abuse or theft of government funds is nothing new. Maybe the scale of this.

But it comes back to the basic stuff any government should be doing on a regular basis and over seeing how the money is being spent. A scam like this didn't come out of the blue. Those involved either heard stories of how smaller fraud was perpetrated and/or saw nothing happen to them if caught or noticed. There was enabling here,
 
WhatInThe said:
Abuse or theft of government funds is nothing new. Maybe the scale of this.

But it comes back to the basic stuff any government should be doing on a regular basis and over seeing how the money is being spent. A scam like this didn't come out of the blue. Those involved either heard stories of how smaller fraud was perpetrated and/or saw nothing happen to them if caught or noticed. There was enabling here,
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Literally hundreds of Minnesota government workers have come forward and said their warnings on this were ignored.
 
hollydolly said:
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My goodness. You have this stuff on Facebook. I almost fell for it once. Someone in a christian group in India with an orphanage got kicked out of the group and I was so dumb to feel sorry for her. I wanted to give her money. Yes give it with PayPal but use my brother's name and can you give that every month. Once is not enough. Ehmmm asked Google. Scammer. Hadn't paid yet luckily.
 
Dr.Colosso said:
My goodness. You have this stuff on Facebook. I almost fell for it once. Someone in a christian group in India with an orphanage got kicked out of the group and I was so dumb to feel sorry for her. I wanted to give her money. Yes give it with PayPal but use my brother's name and can you give that every month. Once is not enough. Ehmmm asked Google. Scammer. Hadn't paid yet luckily.
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No, these are organized groups setting up phony daycare centers and billing the government for them.
 
The news media's focus on the Somali immigrant fraud in Minnesota is due to the size of the fraud (over a billion) and the public's interest in knowing something about the fraudsters, who in this case are from the Somali immigrant Community.

The independent reporter, Nick Shirley, who first broke the news on the Daycare centers you publicized in the title to your thread, did not write anything to instigate outrage over past immigration policies, the current governor, or a Somali American Congresswoman. Just the bare facts of this case are sensational enough. Although the other subjects do deserve separate scrutiny on their own.

To suggest the real culprit is poor bureaucratic controls and not the fraudsters themselves is simply not logical. The bureaucrats do have some culpability but when they are called out for it, it's not logical to say they are the victims of a political hit list and therefore not culpable.

D.O.G.E is focusing on waste and fraud at all levels of government in all states, not just in Minnesota. For a list of their projects in all states at all levels of government go to doge.gov
 
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Fraud and abuse exist in all realms of society. Here are a few cases from the defense industry...

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
  • Originally projected under $300B
  • Lifetime cost now estimated at $1.7 trillion
  • Repeated delays, software failures, and redesigns
  • Contractors profited even as performance goals slipped
Spare Parts Price Gouging
  • $640 toilet seats (often exaggerated, but real cases exist)
  • $10,000 circuit cards costing $100 to manufacture
  • $1,300 coffee cups for aircraft
Real cases
  • Boeing and Lockheed Martin have paid hundreds of millions in settlements for false claims.
  • Northrop Grumman fined for billing unallowable executive perks and luxury expenses.
These are often settled quietly under the False Claims Act, without admission of guilt.

Overclassification to Hide Waste​

How it works
  • Programs are classified not just for security, but to avoid scrutiny.
  • Auditors can’t access full details.
  • Congress gets sanitized briefings.
Result
  • Cost overruns and failures remain hidden for years.
  • Programs continue because cancellation would be “too embarrassing” or politically costly.
The Pentagon has never passed a full financial audit.
  • Trillions in assets can’t be fully accounted for
  • Contractors submit costs into systems that cannot be reliably verified
Auditors routinely say:
“We cannot determine whether expenditures were proper.”
That’s not minor — it’s structural.

Why This Continues​

  1. National security shield – criticism can be framed as unpatriotic
  2. Complexity – systems are too technical for most lawmakers
  3. Political risk – canceling programs costs jobs
  4. Diffuse accountability – no single person is responsible
  5. Guaranteed profit models – failure is financially rewarded

So, while it's maddening that Somalis have wasted or stolen billions, military contractors have wasted or stolen 100s of billions! The Pentagon budget is now over a trillion dollars a year!
 
RambleTamble said:
Fraud and abuse exist in all realms of society. Here are a few cases from the defense industry...

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
  • Originally projected under $300B
  • Lifetime cost now estimated at $1.7 trillion
  • Repeated delays, software failures, and redesigns
  • Contractors profited even as performance goals slipped
Spare Parts Price Gouging
  • $640 toilet seats (often exaggerated, but real cases exist)
  • $10,000 circuit cards costing $100 to manufacture
  • $1,300 coffee cups for aircraft
Real cases
  • Boeing and Lockheed Martin have paid hundreds of millions in settlements for false claims.
  • Northrop Grumman fined for billing unallowable executive perks and luxury expenses.
These are often settled quietly under the False Claims Act, without admission of guilt.

Overclassification to Hide Waste​

How it works
  • Programs are classified not just for security, but to avoid scrutiny.
  • Auditors can’t access full details.
  • Congress gets sanitized briefings.
Result
  • Cost overruns and failures remain hidden for years.
  • Programs continue because cancellation would be “too embarrassing” or politically costly.
The Pentagon has never passed a full financial audit.
  • Trillions in assets can’t be fully accounted for
  • Contractors submit costs into systems that cannot be reliably verified
Auditors routinely say:
“We cannot determine whether expenditures were proper.”
That’s not minor — it’s structural.

Why This Continues​

  1. National security shield – criticism can be framed as unpatriotic
  2. Complexity – systems are too technical for most lawmakers
  3. Political risk – canceling programs costs jobs
  4. Diffuse accountability – no single person is responsible
  5. Guaranteed profit models – failure is financially rewarded

So, while it's maddening that Somalis have wasted or stolen billions, military contractors have wasted or stolen 100s of billions! The Pentagon budget is now over a trillion dollars a year!
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The Minnesota thing is one specific type of fraud. Medicare/Medicaid, defense contracting, agricultural subsidies, the list goes on and on.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I’ve been following these stories coming out of Minnesota.

IMO it seems like more of a political hit piece to instigate continued outrage over past immigration policies, the current governor, and a Somali American Congresswoman from Minnesota‘s 5th district than an attempt to expose governmental waste fraud and abuse.

I don’t understand the need to focus on the fact that these people are Somali refugees when the real culprit is poor bureaucratic controls over the public purse.

We don’t hear much about D.O.G.E. anymore but it seems like this is the type of waste fraud and abuse that they should be revealing at all levels of governent in all states, federal agencies, etc…and not just Minnesota.
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Irishdude said:
This isn't a "political hit piece." Somali immigrants bilked state and Federal agencies out of an estimated $9 billion. The real culprits are 1) the Somalis who stole the money; and 2) the state government that not only let this happen but fired whistleblowers who reported on it.

The focus is on Somali immigrants because, well, they're the ones who stole the money. Shifting the blame to D.O.G.E. is a hilarious attempt at misdirection.
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I'd bet 9 billion Nuthins* that if this theft of taxpayer's money was perpetrated by a bunch of Irish immigrants (or worse, Jews), it would be widely covered, globally no less, and the outrage would be against the immigrants first, and then a few government officials.

*nuthins was the currency of my children's youth, specifically for bets and dares, including but not limited to double- and triple-dog dares.


As for D.O.G.E., the main obstacles that agency has faced during their many investigations are government officials and federal employees. In particular, the employees of a multitude of US federally-funded national and global charity organizations and agencies and their many tentacles offshoots and partners who have demanded warrants, reminded D.O.G.E. agents that they have no oversight or investigative powers, and who have provided only partial documents, redacted documents, or, most often, no documents whatsoever, which is actually legal under pertinent congressional laws. Naturally, those laws are also a major obstacle, and would take many years to repeal. And in light of the fact that repeal would be a congressional decision, there is little chance of success, at least currently.
 
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RambleTamble said:
Fraud and abuse exist in all realms of society. Here are a few cases from the defense industry...

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
  • Originally projected under $300B
  • Lifetime cost now estimated at $1.7 trillion
  • Repeated delays, software failures, and redesigns
  • Contractors profited even as performance goals slipped
Spare Parts Price Gouging
  • $640 toilet seats (often exaggerated, but real cases exist)
  • $10,000 circuit cards costing $100 to manufacture
  • $1,300 coffee cups for aircraft
Real cases
  • Boeing and Lockheed Martin have paid hundreds of millions in settlements for false claims.
  • Northrop Grumman fined for billing unallowable executive perks and luxury expenses.
These are often settled quietly under the False Claims Act, without admission of guilt.

Overclassification to Hide Waste​

How it works
  • Programs are classified not just for security, but to avoid scrutiny.
  • Auditors can’t access full details.
  • Congress gets sanitized briefings.
Result
  • Cost overruns and failures remain hidden for years.
  • Programs continue because cancellation would be “too embarrassing” or politically costly.
The Pentagon has never passed a full financial audit.
  • Trillions in assets can’t be fully accounted for
  • Contractors submit costs into systems that cannot be reliably verified
Auditors routinely say:
“We cannot determine whether expenditures were proper.”
That’s not minor — it’s structural.

Why This Continues​

  1. National security shield – criticism can be framed as unpatriotic
  2. Complexity – systems are too technical for most lawmakers
  3. Political risk – canceling programs costs jobs
  4. Diffuse accountability – no single person is responsible
  5. Guaranteed profit models – failure is financially rewarded

So, while it's maddening that Somalis have wasted or stolen billions, military contractors have wasted or stolen 100s of billions! The Pentagon budget is now over a trillion dollars a year!
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The F-35 unit price is based on different versions. Priced from approximately $83Bil to Approximately $102Bil per plane.
It’s one heck of a plane, not to mention it has the best weapons system the U.S. can put into the air.
 
Scrutiny of Somali Muslims is just the tip of the iceberg of Muslim immigrant scrutiny that needs to be done. In 2004 the FBI uncovered a Muslim Brotherhood document that was a plan for destroying America without firing a shot. It became an exhibit in the trial of the United States vs. The Holyland Foundation, which was a non-profit Foundation established by Texas Muslims that funneled $6 million to Hamas. The details of this are documented in a book titled "Star Spangled Shariah" available from Amazon and Barnes and Noble. And the trial is on the FBI Archives website.

The Muslim Brotherhood plan was to take over America and replace our Constitution and government with Islamic Law, by using our own tolerance and liberal institutions against us, and the naiveté of the American people that assumes everyone coming to the USA loves America. The plan was basically to immigrate, infiltrate, propagate, agitate, not assimilate and form a caliphate. And the plan is moving along extremely well.

F-35s are useless against this plan but we need them for external threats. We need awareness of external as well as internal threats and so far the internal threats are running amok.
 
RambleTamble said:
I'd rather have one heck of a high-speed rail system, which we could easily do for the cost of the F-35.
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It’s too bad we can’t have both, but if the U.S. was ever invaded, the HSR would be of little value. Just having these planes with the defense systems they carry can deter other countries from even considering invading the U.S. or our allies.

There are good arguments for both. The military gets a budget and they spend the money on weapons that in their opinion will keep the U.S. safe. Every American citizen can go to bed at night without fearing they will hear a siren or a warning to take cover. Not every citizen in other countries can say that.
 
hollydolly said:
It's headlines in our Media today....

How a viral video exposed Somali migrant scandal that has rocked US
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From that headline you post in your news makes me think you fell for a hyped up news report.
I would not say it has rocked the US, it's just another reason of many the government is checking
any groups being funded by them and personally I think it's about time.
That list of illegal use of funds is so long and I do think many of us are never surprised by what they find lately.
My personal hopes is they find them all, cut them off, arrest them and get the money back to where
it's supposed to be doing good.
 
Taking care of this problem is essential, and may even justify deportation of the wrong doers, but don't let this be an attempt to negate the fraud committed by card carrying citizens that run our government. Neither of these crimes justifies [or negates] the crimes of the other.
 
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JustDave said:
Taking care of this problem is essential, and may even justify deportation of the wrong doers, but don't let this be an attempt to negate the fraud committed by card carrying citizens that run our government. Neither of these crimes justifies the crimes of the other.
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The amount of guilt and blame lately could fill the Pacific Ocean it seems
 

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