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Big Horn said:
"The Islamic State Group said the worst mass shooting in recent US history was perpetrated by one of its "soldiers," claiming that Paddock had converted to Islam in recent weeks and carried out the attack in its name."

It's difficult to believe that ISIS would lie about something that would destroy their credibility if it were exposed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stephen-paddock-retired-accountant-vegas-gunman-150558606.html
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ISIS always makes this type of claim. There's no evidence that he was Islamic or a 'soldier' of ISIS.
 

Early reports are indicating that this shooter modified his weapons to fire virtually automatic. Last night I looked up the info on a couple of these after market modifications...Bump Fire, and Slide Fire...and it appears that for a couple hundred dollars, and a few minutes work, an AR-15 or AK-47 can be modified to fire as many as 800 rounds per minute. Now, I am generally an advocate for maintaining the 2nd Amendment, but I see NO reason why such devices should be readily available to the general public. Interestingly enough, this morning, those manufacturers web sites seem to be down....but here are some examples of these modifications being sold today.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=bump+fire
 
Is it the guns, or our people?

Pasted from- http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp

Gun Ownership in Switzerland

Switzerland issues firearms to adult men and provides training in their use?


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Claim: Switzerland issues firearms to adult men and provides training in their use.
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Someone on FB has shared a post that claims Switzerland provides each of its citizens a sig550 assault rifle and provides training in use of this weapon. Surely this isn’t true!?

Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-related crime rate in the civilized world.



Origins: As noted on Wikipedia, Swiss men between the ages of 20 and 30 are typically expected to undergo militia training, a program which includes the issuance of and instruction in the use of firearms.



The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the “militia” in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.

When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In cases of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner as a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a permit, which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.



 

Camper6 said:
He was a multimillionaire. As such he could afford to buy all the weapons he ever wanted and any type he wanted.
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I don't get the hysteria over owning a gun, a gun does nothing until it's picked up by someone. There is no way I know of to know beforehand what the intention will be,



To your point few remember the gun running scheme called fast & furious where guns were supposed to be tracked. The guns were lost and wound up being used with horrible consequences. The guns lost in that fast & furious scheme were used to kill countless Mexicans & one US border patrol agent. You probably think as I do, if the U S government can't get it right, how would more legislation make a difference?

More to the point if a person with bad intent wants guns they will find a way.
 
Knight said:
I don't get the hysteria over owning a gun, a gun does nothing until it's picked up by someone. There is no way I know of to know beforehand what the intention will be,



To your point few remember the gun running scheme called fast & furious where guns were supposed to be tracked. The guns were lost and wound up being used with horrible consequences. The guns lost in that fast & furious scheme were used to kill countless Mexicans & one US border patrol agent. You probably think as I do, if the U S government can't get it right, how would more legislation make a difference?

More to the point if a person with bad intent wants guns they will find a way.
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Absolutely. But you should still try to make it a tough way to get a weapon. At least if it's illegal you could send the guy to jail. Not so much with a legal weapon.
 
I've seen a lot of coverage about the Las Vegas shootings and not once have I heard that the shooter was a millionaire.

That aside, sociopaths, drug dealers, people with an axe to grind, disgruntled ex-employees, angry spouses............they ignore the laws and somehow get all the guns they want.
 
applecruncher said:
I've seen a lot of coverage about the Las Vegas shootings and not once have I heard that the shooter was a millionaire.
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I've avoided seeing very much of the news coverage on this but I turned on CBS this morning and they were saying he was a gambler and a multi-millionaire. The news could be wrong, as we all know happens, but I did hear them say it.
 
Lara said:
[/FONT][/COLOR]I've avoided seeing very much of the news coverage on this but I turned on CBS this morning and they were saying he was a gambler and a multi-millionaire. The news could be wrong, as we all know happens, but I did hear them say it.
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I did hear on one of the press briefings that he had placed a few $25,000 bets recently in a casino but didn't say if he won or lost.

Seems he was a high roller at the casinos and maybe that's why it wasn't noticed that he was bringing suitcases to his room in those few days prior to the shooting.

Probably treat the high rollers slightly different or better in those hotels....I'm just guessing and it's only an opinion.
 
Mike said:
This is very bad and sadly a thread like this one appears
every few months and yet your Government does not one
thing to try and change things.

Why don't they steer the companies that make guns to
make something different and only make guns for the
military when they need new ones, stop all retail sales
to the general public.

I know that a lot of you will not agree with me and I can
see your point, weapons have been part of your life all of
your life. Still something needs doing and doing fast.

It is bad enough here having violence sent to us ordered
in another country, but your problem is worse as it is all
internal, another American killing Americans.

Please get some sense.

R.I.P. the dead, my condolences to the living.

Mike.
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People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Are you familiar with Glasgow?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-europe.html
 
Well, I just found that two of my former fellow San Bernardino County co-workers were victims in the LV shooting.

New story.

Dana Gardner was killed in the shooting. I did not know her personally, but had seen her on numerous occasions.

Sgt. Brad Powers, he was a fellow Sheriff's Dept. employee, again- did not know him personally but had seen him around.


I hate this senseless violence!
 
Why is it that the Swiss are armed to the teeth yet don't shoot each other like we do?

Is it the guns or is there something wrong with our society? With us?

I really don't know, but compared to Switzerland with all their guns something seems wrong.

I have no desire to debate here, just want to hear some opinion on that. Thanks.
 
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RadishRose said:
Why is it that the Swiss are armed to the teeth yet don't shoot each other like we do?

Is it the guns or is there something wrong with our society? With us?

I really don't know, but compared to Switzerland with all their guns something seems wrong.

I have no desire to debate here, just wants to hear some opinion on that. Thanks.
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Swiss society is different from ours in many ways. Can you imagine sales on trust in most places?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3cJbst45zQ
 
Camper6 said:
BobF. My point was that the semi-automatics are just as deadly as the automatics and have been responsible for just about all the record mass murders to date except this one.

So you have to keep pulling the trigger in a crowd like that one attending the concert. So what?
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A pistol is also a semi automatic as are rifles. It is the speed and accuracy of the rifles used yesterday. How they got converted to automatic yesterday is something nobody has talked of yet. To have automatic firing weapons in the US is illegal in all states for the normal weapon buyer.
 
Warrigal said:
a) I have heard of the NRA and really don't need to read up about them,
b) I am a school teacher which is why Sandy Hook affected me so acutely and
c) the problem needs to be addressed further by people who have the wisdom and the courage to take action.
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NRA is a group of folks believing in the right to have arms in person and at home as well. It has been addressed further, and will, but the end will not be the end of arms in the US. There is no reason to at all.

How about the Swiss. They have had arms in the home for hundreds of years. They still do and now they are not swords or pikes as they are now rifles and pistols similar to what the US has these days.

How we got one disjointed person to have so many weapons and have them converted into auto fired with out pulling the trigger for each shot is amazing. He knew he was a loser as he ended his life when the police were near to raiding his hotel room.

Really want to help hundreds and maybe thousands you should come up with a way to end N Korea's ideas with nuclear weapons and rockets. That would really be something that most in the world will appreciate.
 
tnthomas said:
Well, I just found that two of my former fellow San Bernardino County co-workers were victims in the LV shooting.

New story.

Dana Gardner was killed in the shooting. I did not know her personally, but had seen her on numerous occasions.

Sgt. Brad Powers, he was a fellow Sheriff's Dept. employee, again- did not know him personally but had seen him around.


I hate this senseless violence!
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My condolences on the loss of your coworkers.
 
BobF said:
NRA is a group of folks believing in the right to have arms in person and at home as well. It has been addressed further, and will, but the end will not be the end of arms in the US. There is no reason to at all.

How about the Swiss. They have had arms in the home for hundreds of years. They still do and now they are not swords or pikes as they are now rifles and pistols similar to what the US has these days.

How we got one disjointed person to have so many weapons and have them converted into auto fired with out pulling the trigger for each shot is amazing. He knew he was a loser as he ended his life when the police were near to raiding his hotel room.

Really want to help hundreds and maybe thousands you should come up with a way to end N Korea's ideas with nuclear weapons and rockets. That would really be something that most in the world will appreciate.
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One thing that is getting pretty obvious in the US is a lack of consideration for others ideas and the implementation of rules and regulations.

When I was a kid I grew up during our national economy defeat of the 1930's. I saw how the non workers would do just about anything to earn a meal. We had the homeless come to ask for a place to sleep and others wanting a meal. Mother never let them in the house but had them sit on the back steps and she would put together something for them to eat. Then as I grew older I saw our teachers taken from authority and told to stand and watch. Teachers at one time would walk along and slap a students hands with a ruler. Some teachers, men or women, would physically challenge a student to settle down and allow others to read, respond to the teachers requests, sit up straight, respect others, and not be a disturbance.

Now nothing allowed in our schools that amount to much at all. Disrespect is allowed from grade school right on up into college levels. We raise far too many spoiled brats these days. Look to the violent riots that take place if one person speaks differently from another person. It is considered a right by some who decide to pummel the other for speaking freely. The US is generally out of control completely.

Not sure what the Swiss have done but do know they must teach some basics about trust and how to earn it. They do put guns in the hands of children at early ages. This is an example of how they teach them how and why to have weapons. Come of adult age they are for some years considered to be part of their standby army. When all folks know what the weapons can do and why they are kept at home, then much of this confusion about the US wanting guns at home and wanting most of us to remain as loyal military capable folks, even when no longer of military age. We should follow what the Swiss have done for so many hundreds of years.

It is not the guns that is the problem ever. It is the untrained and undisciplined people that are the main problem. A loaded gun on the table is no threat to anyone till some untrained or twisted minded on picks it up from the table and start pointing and pulling the trigger.
 
applecruncher said:
I've seen a lot of coverage about the Las Vegas shootings and not once have I heard that the shooter was a millionaire.

That aside, sociopaths, drug dealers, people with an axe to grind, disgruntled ex-employees, angry spouses............they ignore the laws and somehow get all the guns they want.
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On another note, there was a flurry of the fake news variety, insisting that the shooter was an ISIS convert.

Yea, right. :shrug:
 
tnthomas said:
Well, I just found that two of my former fellow San Bernardino County co-workers were victims in the LV shooting.

New story.

Dana Gardner was killed in the shooting. I did not know her personally, but had seen her on numerous occasions.

Sgt. Brad Powers, he was a fellow Sheriff's Dept. employee, again- did not know him personally but had seen him around.


I hate this senseless violence!
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I'm sorry you lost people you knew. My condolences.
 
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