Pastor's Who Yell Their Sermon

ClassicRockr

ClassicRockr

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In all of my life, I've never heard any Pastor yell part of their sermons like John Hagee and his son. My wife watches John Hagee on Sunday morning on her laptop. The congregation literally stands and cheers for him and his son when they yell their sermon. Put him and/or his son's yelling over a speaker system and the entire roof of the church could come off...…..just stating how loud it could be heard in the Sanctuary.

If you don't know who John Hagee is, is against some things that people believe in, and support today. That is, people outside of his congregation that totally disagree with what he says and what he says the Bible says.

My wife tells me, and I do believe it to be true, "he yells because that is the only way people today will listen".

I like John Hagee, to a point, but really like Joyce Meyer better.

Then again, the word "yelling" goes WAY BACK in time. To make people listen, many people have yelled. Protestors make themselves heard by yelling.

What do you think of a Pastor/Minister yelling their Message to the congregaton? Catholic Priests don't do that.​
 

Actually, I was raised a Catholic and we had one priest who did yell his sermons. He was an alcoholic. I was a kid and too young to refuse to go to church, but when I went to a church in my twenties where the pastor yelled his sermons, I left and never went back again. Who needs that kind of abuse? Life is hard enough is my opinion on the subject for what it's worth.
 
Well, I will try to refrain from getting too political but TV ministers are a sham for the most part. The last time I checked John Hagee had a net worth of 5 million dollars, has a gated mansion in San Antonio worth 700,000.00 dollars, owns thousands of acres. He had committed adultery with a younger woman in his congregation whom he took advantage of and later on married. I feel like the ministry has become a money making tax free career opportunity instead of a calling whereby a preacher can beg forgiveness and can continue on to reap his own rewards.

He yells, he convinces people to part with their money. As you can tell, I'm not a huge fan of most TV evangelism. All I can say, as far as all religions, their books and beliefs are readily available. Don't rely on the preachings of one man. Even Jesus said "It would be easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven.". Well, when I see some of these millionaire preachers practice what is taught, then perhaps I will accept what they say. Never believe in the preacher, he is not a God.

If one has to scream to be heard, then perhaps the wrong message is being preached. "Know who I am not by what I say but by what I do." I think that is good advice no matter whether one believes in a particular God or not.

Also, a personal trait on my part-when someone starts yelling I stop listening altogether doesn't matter who it is who is doing the yelling.
 

Personally, I wouldn't dare judge the worship techniques of different pastors. God''s not keen on those who judge and criticize the ones that are serving Him. I'd leave that one up to Him.

And that goes for some preachers who are obviously using God for their own personal gain. God is well aware of it, will judge them, and justice will be served. Let God do that so that you're out of the fray.

There is a pastor-style out there for everyone. Pick the one that suits you and it could be the best experience of your life forever. Those that don't suit you are ministering to the needs of those who need or want that style. Loudness is perhaps good for someone who doesn't want to fall asleep in the early morning hours :laugh:

Don't forget the pastor at Megan Markle's & Pince Harry's wedding. He was loud and long winded. Many loved it. Many didn't.
 
The only tv minister I ever liked was Billy Graham who insisted on taking a regular salary during his ministry. Having been taken as a child to the Pentecost church, then Methodist and finally southern Baptist Church by my mother for years, I found peace and contentment in the Episcopal faith which worried my mother. But the final straw was when my sister embraced the Catholic faith. She thought both of us were going to hell and she worried about our souls. My sister and I are still content with our faiths and when I visit her I attend the Catholic church with her and vice versa. My mother died a southern Baptist and we made sure she had that type funeral. We respected her faith but never got that in return which was fine with us. My dad did not care for any kind of church but joined the Baptist church to please my mother and never attended again unless someone died.
 
They learn how to present in preacher-school; not unlike many other charismatic speakers. You start slow, then get a little louder and louder gradually until finally everyone is in a fever pitch. It's a well known method in public speaking to "capture" the audience. That's all. Many respond and some do not.
 
When I asked my wife "I don't think Jesus yelled did he?" and she told me "he didn't have to, the people listened to him. Big difference between then and now." Interesting, but true.

Yes, John Hagee done this and that and has this and that, but that sure doesn't matter to the people in his congregation...….and his congregation shows their approval. Same goes for John's son. He has gotten much, much like his father (yelling) and people applaud him for it.

One thing for sure, "yelling" sure was a part of my Basic Training in the Navy. The old "get in your face, nose to nose" commands were (are?) just a part of military service, especially the Marines and Army. Drill Sergeants were REALLY noted for doing this to Recruits in Basic Training.
 
Lara said:
Personally, I wouldn't dare judge the worship techniques of different pastors. God''s not keen on those who judge the ones that are serving Him. I'd leave that one up to Him.

And that goes for some who are obviously using God for their own personal gain. God will judge them and justice will be served. Let God do that so that you're out of the fray.

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While I agree with much of what you said, I have to say if people dared to intervene, to challenge, to judge, to get into the fray early on, then perhaps hundreds of people wouldn't have died under the leadership of Jim Jones, perhaps thousands of children wouldn't have been sexually abused, perhaps there wouldn't have been crusades, inquisitions, jihads, human sacrifice, witch hunts in the name of screaming religious who use some version of hell as a bartering mechanism.

My intent isn't to judge, just to offer information. To encourage people to think and not blindly follow. Some find great joy within a church, TV programs offer community to those who are home bound. People just need to be aware is all I'm saying. How is it different to judge me because I dare to judge the authority of false prophets and fake teachers with an agenda.

Precisely why I am a loner of sorts. I'll refrain from further comment now and wait for the thrashing that is sure to ensue. Ahhhhh, but what's life without a good thrashing once in a while.
 
ClassicRockr said:
When I asked my wife "I don't think Jesus yelled did he?" and she told me "he didn't have to, the people listened to him.
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I was thinking about this. Perhaps the difference : Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Lao Tsu- they were teachers, not preachers. Perhaps that is where my problem lies, I want to learn, to be taught but not preached at. I will go ponder this for a while
 
dkay said:
I was thinking about this. Perhaps the difference : Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Lao Tsu- they were teachers, not preachers. Perhaps that is where my problem lies, I want to learn, to be taught but not preached at. I will go ponder this for a while
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I get you. I, myself, am a "wish-washy" eclectic. I'm inspired by the "heroes", "heroines" of various religions. I don't believe any one religion is the "true" one over any others. I'm in the camp of what you do and how you live speaks louder than anything else.
 
Between John Hagee, The Bakers & Mother Teresa for representing religion it's hands down Mother Teresa.


I'm happy with no religion, but to each their own on what gets them thru the day.
 
As for wife and I, we have no problem judging anyone and we’ve been judged before due to our beliefs.
Don’t worry dkay, we will probably get thrashed for “judging”, but......

As I always say, “even those that say they don’t judge, do, in one way or another. They just don’t like, or won’t admit it.”

I like Joyce Meyer, because she combines physiology with the Bible for everyday living. Sometimes she has to say something funny or serious to “wake up” her audience. John Hagee, and his son,!definitely don’t have to worry about the congregation ever going to sleep!
 
Joyce Meyer is also a multi-millionaire with her own private jet, mansion etc. etc. However she has been audited by the IRS to see if her ministry should maintain its tax exempt status. She uses profits from her books for personal expenses but uses 85% of the money raised through the ministry for outreach, missions etc.

Considering how hard her life was early on she has managed to teach very well. From what I can tell she's got a solid marriage to Dave, she has an life based in experience which easily converts to testimony. Then, she's also had male evangelicals who turn on her all the time because they feel a woman has no place in the pulpit. So, as TV ministry goes-I would go with her. I've read a couple of her books, she presents sound teaching and doesn't spend every Sunday talking about the book of Revelations. I've seen her get excited about a teaching but I don't recall ever hearing her yell.
 
Lara said:
Personally, I wouldn't dare judge the worship techniques of different pastors. God''s not keen on those who judge and criticize the ones that are serving Him. I'd leave that one up to Him. And that goes for some preachers who are obviously using God for their own personal gain. God is well aware of it, will judge them, and justice will be served. Let God do that so that you're out of the fray.
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dkay said:
While I agree with much of what you said, I have to say if people dared to intervene, to challenge, to judge, to get into the fray early on, then perhaps hundreds of people wouldn't have died under the leadership of Jim Jones, perhaps thousands of children wouldn't have been sexually abused, perhaps there wouldn't have been crusades, inquisitions, jihads, human sacrifice, witch hunts in the name of screaming religious who use some version of hell as a bartering mechanism.

My intent isn't to judge, just to offer information. To encourage people to think and not blindly follow. Some find great joy within a church, TV programs offer community to those who are home bound. People just need to be aware is all I'm saying. How is it different to judge me because I dare to judge the authority of false prophets and fake teachers with an agenda.

Precisely why I am a loner of sorts. I'll refrain from further comment now and wait for the thrashing that is sure to ensue. Ahhhhh, but what's life without a good thrashing once in a while.
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dkay, my post, 2nd sentence refers to Pastors who are serving God, which is the topic. Jim Jones was not a follower of Christ or God, nor was he serving God. He and his followers were a Cult with some other purpose other than serving God.

"Thrashing"? Not from me, dkay. I posted my opinion and you posted yours. I respect your right to post your opinion because God created us all to have the ability to make our own decisions. But I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. God says "Beware of false prophets" so I feel we both have a message to beware of those like Jim Jones.

ClassicRockr, I admit that I judge others. Just because I try to obey God's teachings does not mean that I don't fail. In fact, I fail everyday. That's why I need a Savior, because I will never be perfect. Just because I say, "I wouldn't dare" doesn't mean I wouldn't wrongly do it quietly in my heart. When I pray I always confess the things I know I've messed up on, ask that God clean me, and renew a right spirit within me. And I thank Him for forgiving me. I'm sorry if I came across in an offensive way to you.​
 
Yelling to say the same thing you could say in a normal, even, calm tone, is a person who feels they have lost, or has no control of the situation or audience.
At that point I could care less what they have to say, already lost me when they started yelling. Walk away, ignore them or tune them out. They are undeserving of an audience.
 
A lot of preachers in the Black churches "yell" during their sermons. Then they go into this theatrical thing with their voices and with the organ or piano accenting their words. My son and I were at a Christian funeral yesterday. He's actually friends with the minister, who's sermon was excellent except for that part. I described it as being too theatrical and my son agreed. To me it takes away from the message. We're both Muslims and my son was saying...just teach me (all that yelling is not necessary). We have both found Islam to be a teaching religion.
 
I would change the channel.

If it gives you some comfort then, by all means, watch and enjoy it. I used to tune in to the Reverand Robert Schuller or Billy Graham from time to time and enjoyed them both.

We used to have a screaming street preacher that would pace up and down at one of the major bus stops screaming and shaking his fist at the captive audience waiting for a bus. I used to feel sorry for those people that had no other choice but to stand and listen to his ranting and raving.
 
Not to change my Thread, but apparently none of you ladies had ever served in the military, right? IOW, never went to Army or Marine Corp Boot Camp. I definitely got yelled at (face to face—nose to nose) in Boot Camp in the Navy.

You also never worked in a loud environment, like around forklifts or CNC machinery where people had to yell to be heard.
 
But just cause you are used to something doesn’t make it right.
Ive never been in the military nor have I wanted to but my husband was for 7 years. Yes! He’s used to people shouting also.
Me? Not so much.
 
Keesha said:
But just cause you are used to something doesn’t make it right.
Ive never been in the military nor have I wanted to but my husband was for 7 years. Yes! He’s used to people shouting also.
Me? Not so much.
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My wife is the same way, Keesha. Her jobs have pretty much always been in very quiet office environments.

She is basically a pretty quiet type person, unless she has had a few drinks, then she is pretty talkative. Listening to a loud Pastor, on a laptop, must be very different than in person. Seriously doubt she could handle him in person and I couldn’t either.
And, I am basically a loud and talkative person and my wife is really use to me after 18 years of my voice. When I too quiet, she doesn’t like it.

He sounds like he is really, really forcing his beliefs onto the congregation, but they still applaud him.
 
Many churches have "evolved" into some pretty impressive "money making" operations. Some of their facilities cost millions to erect, and they have parking for hundreds of cars. Operations like that require a very "theatrical" environment and performance to hold the audience's attention...and make them Open their Wallets.
 
The last Pastor we use to see on Sunday’s got a yearly salary of some 1 million dollars and he never yelled. We found out about his salary through a Yearly Budget Request for the Church Budget and his minister staff.
 

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