Woman dead for 8 minutes reveals consciousness continues

Got to love the Daily Fail, er, Mail for it's usual hyperbole.

Tucked in the story is the most likely explanation: "While various theories exist, a key aspect involves the brain's continued activity, even after the heart stops, potentially leading to altered states of consciousness and vivid perceptions."

This woman was not actually dead at any point. To quote the definition of Clinically Dead: ""Clinically dead" refers to the medical state of having no heartbeat, no breathing, and no brain activity, essentially lacking the essential functions necessary to sustain life. This state is a medical emergency, and while it does not automatically equate to death, it can be reversible if interventions like CPR are administered promptly."

The brain breaks down in mysterious ways.
 
Ah no, I don't believe the crap. Mom's heart stopped because of failure of the pacemaker.
She was discovered by Cousin sitting in her chair. Rushed to the hospital the Dr. started her
heart back beating with attachment. She was still dead. Pacemaker had to be unplugged
Legally and the Helicopter paid $14,000. There was no chance for her to have life. Just a screw.

There are so many things to go wrong after an 8-minute clinical death.
To go thru it and then have to go thru it again is cruelty! 70's +
Leave the lucky SOB be.
 
I'm undecided on how to feel about accounts like this, but she is quoted as saying "'It changed the course of my life., What I feared no longer had power over me, and what I used to chase didn't seem important anymore." So, whether the account is factual, imagined, or can be otherwise explained, that's a positive, at least in her experience.
 
After my mom had cardiac bypass surgery, they were taking her into the recovery room when her heart stopped. By the time the surgeon could be called back and perform cardioversion, she had been clinically dead for 15 minutes. Later I asked her if she experienced anything during that time and she said she didn't. However, she was never the same afterwards - she was more argumentative and paranoid, but lived almost 16 year more.
 
Most likely the eye lids open, the eyes continue to transmit images and light long after the heart stops beating.
Thats what those are aware of as going towards the light. Even if the eyelid's are pushed closed the eye still is
aware of the bright lights shined at them.

Maybe the nervous systems impulses can convert O2 from dead or dying cells also. Electrolysis does stuff.
 
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debodun said:
After my mom had cardiac bypass surgery, they were taking her into the recovery room when her heart stopped. By the time the surgeon could be called back and perform cardioversion, she had been clinically dead for 15 minutes. Later I asked her if she experienced anything during that time and she said she didn't. However, she was never the same afterwards - she was more argumentative and paranoid, but lived almost 16 year more.
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Interesting Deb. Many who have experienced the profound and often overwhelming experience of near death, have a difficult time not only talking about it but sorting the event in their own mind.

I could not talk with anyone about my NDE for three years until confronted by my sister who "forced" it out of me. After being struck by lightening, I was "out" for 10 minutes and came to wondering why I went to sleep talking on the telephone ... and what the heck was that "strange dream". I wept as I shared the experience for the first time with my sister three years after the fact. She said it seemed I'd changed and something happened that night and I was going to tell her what it was right now.

Few if any experiences in life ... and death ... are experienced without "something happening during that time". Often the difficult thing is to talk about it when asked. Especially if the one asking about the deeply profound experience may not share that experience or have a reference point. For example, soldiers returning from war are reluctant to speak of their experience unless maybe with those "who were there". And it takes some of them years if ever, to sort out the experience.

The fact that your mother "was never the same afterwards" indicates to me that something happened. That she was more argumentative and paranoid is not shocking. Could have been based in a frustration and or uncertainty that was deeply personal to her.
 
feywon said:
There are studies out there that led researchers to admit there is more to to consciousness than just being by-product of brain function and social & familial conditioning. As someone who had an NDE i wasn't surprised to stumble across them.
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That's true. Neurologists and related specialties have for years been trying to locate the point in the brain where consciousness is located. They haven't been able to do it, so it's referred to as "the hard problem".

Many believe that there is a universal consciousness not residing in our brains. It's a fascinating theory, and I'm becoming congenial to it.

 
ChiroDoc said:
That's true. Neurologists and related specialties have for years been trying to locate the point in the brain where consciousness is located. They haven't been able to do it, so it's referred to as "the hard problem".

Many believe that there is a universal consciousness not residing in our brains. It's a fascinating theory, and I'm becoming congenial to it.

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I have believed in Universal consciousness for decades, since my NDE and basically it is the higher power power i appeal to in my meditations/prayers. Imagine how validating it was to learn scientists were giving it serious consideration. It is basic to most Eastern mysticism.
 
Marcy Sheiner said:
I've always found the whole thing about NDEs fascinating, and hopeful. Especially the people who are sorry they had to come back.

I halfway believe that consciousness goes on, tho not sure what form that could take, ie. how would we know?
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I was given the choice of coming back to this body and it's life or resting a bit then coming back. The idea of starting from scratch was not appealing. So here i am.

And it changed me in several ways, as it does most who experience it.
 
When I wake up in the morning I need to sit on the edge of the bed for a while before my back will allow me to move. I do crossword puzzles (LA Times, etc.) to distract from the pain. Sometimes in my sleepy state I seem to fill in the answers quickly before I actually reflect on the clue. I might think where did that come from or I didn't realize I knew that. I'm not sure what this is but it seems that the information either comes from elsewhere or from some distant memory.
Collective conscience?
 
There is legal dead, clinical dead, and REALLY DEAD (and gone)

When under normal ambient temperatures, all electromagnetic brain wave fields stop oscillating in all parts of a cellular electrolyte starved dying animal earth creature brain, the process is irreversible in nature. However that state can be well after a heart stops and while human is aware of just small part of its core executive brain.
 
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These people are mostly just making up stuff.
The Human mind will do anything to be famous.

Some try to be killed by a Cop to be famous.
Others will do Stunt tricks.

Many won't quit trying to be famous with their last breaths.
They will even jump off stuff after the news follows them there.

Look at Tom Cruise, does his own stunts, Flys a P51 and just jumped
like 16 times out of a Helicopter with the chute on fire to film a scene
in a movie.
 
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Dead is dead. If you come back to life, you weren't dead regardless of what the doctor told you. Cells don't all die at once. Some, even brain cells, survive for a long time, maybe even several minutes when deprived of oxygen. Imagine having your head cut off by the guillotine. There's your head lying in the basket thinking, "Oh my! What a fix I've got myself into this time." But with time and lack of oxygen, your thinking becomes a jumble with meaningless dream images, and then you are gone for good and no longer able to interpret your experience to others to convince them you have a soul that continues after death.
 
feywon said:
I was given the choice of coming back to this body and it's life or resting a bit then coming back. The idea of starting from scratch was not appealing. So here i am.

And it changed me in several ways, as it does most who experience it.
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Would you like to share more details?
 
Babs2u said:
When I wake up in the morning I need to sit on the edge of the bed for a while before my back will allow me to move. I do crossword puzzles (LA Times, etc.) to distract from the pain. Sometimes in my sleepy state I seem to fill in the answers quickly before I actually reflect on the clue. I might think where did that come from or I didn't realize I knew that. I'm not sure what this is but it seems that the information either comes from elsewhere or from some distant memory.
Collective conscience?
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I also do crossword puzzles a lot and for many years now, and sometimes have the same experience you describe. I just assume I've picked up these things from the ether. Maybe that is collective consciousness ?
 
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