Could you live a healthy life on a no-harm diet?

bobcat

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I hadn't heard of it before, but apparently nothing dies in the process, neither plant, animal, or any other living thing.
You can have eggs, dairy, cheese, nuts, grains, seeds, anything that grows on a vine or plant (But not the root plant).

If something dies naturally, maybe that's different, IDK. Many annual plants die after producing seeds anyway, so I guess it's OK to eat them when they are done (Oats, barley, corn, rice, etc...). There are probably some gray areas too.

From a philosophical point of view, everything dies eventually, so no matter what you do, it won't change the outcome, just the lifetime. Still, when we go into the market and buy a pound of bacon or hamburger, we don't really want to think about how it got there.
 

I've been raised vegetarian and still almost always eat vegetarian, cause I got used to it, but if you don't want animals or plants to be killed, that's impossible. You have to get your own cow and not take her calf away, cause that's pitiful. Does she produce milk then? No idea. Male calves are killed for milk and cheese if you just buy it in the grocery store, just like male chickens for eggs. You can get eggs from a hobby farmer who has 10 in the backyard and doesn't kill them. But the cow eats grass. Poor grass. He even walks on it. The chickens.. hmm corn maybe. That's fine.

I once had a discussion with a meat eater as a teen and he said it's useless to not eat meat cause they'll kill the cows anyway. I thought he had a point. Imagine the whole country becomes vegan tomorrow. Is everyone so nice to live crammed in flats and donate all the land to the cows? Who's gonna pay for that? They'll just kill them or sell the meat to China.
 
As an IBS sufferer, I have to watch what I eat carefully and the times of day that I eat. Too much variance causes me digestive issues. I avoid beef and pork most of the time. A meal of vegetables now and then works okay for me, but I feel a diet like the one in the OP would present too many challenges on top of those I already have, so it's a "no" for me. I don't want to be so focused on food that it becomes an obsession.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
As an IBS sufferer, I have to watch what I eat carefully and the times of day that I eat. Too much variance causes me digestive issues. I avoid beef and pork most of the time. A meal of vegetables now and then works okay for me, but I feel a diet like the one in the OP would present too many challenges on top of those I already have, so it's a "no" for me. I don't want to be so focused on food that it becomes an obsession.
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A few years ago I couldn't eat anything or it hurt like crazy for hours. So I just fasted, but that hurt just as much. Called the doc. Blabla. A miracle he even picked up. They never have time. So I Googled for days and tried skipping stuff.

A teen girl online said for her it was bread with cheese that caused it. It wasn't my bowels. I felt bloated all the time. It was my stomach.

So I started a stomach saving diet and now I never have pain anymore. Can't eat bread with cheese in the morning, but toasted white bread with grated cheese is fine. Eggs no good, but a half cooked egg is fine. Stuff like that. And if I ate something wrong like lately a whole can of cheese fondue (bad idea), then it did hurt, but ginger helps great.
 
Dr.Colosso said:
I've been raised vegetarian and still almost always eat vegetarian, cause I got used to it, but if you don't want animals or plants to be killed, that's impossible. You have to get your own cow and not take her calf away, cause that's pitiful. Does she produce milk then? No idea. Male calves are killed for milk and cheese if you just buy it in the grocery store, just like male chickens for eggs. You can get eggs from a hobby farmer who has 10 in the backyard and doesn't kill them. But the cow eats grass. Poor grass. He even walks on it. The chickens.. hmm corn maybe. That's fine.

I once had a discussion with a meat eater as a teen and he said it's useless to not eat meat cause they'll kill the cows anyway. I thought he had a point. Imagine the whole country becomes vegan tomorrow. Is everyone so nice to live crammed in flats and donate all the land to the cows? Who's gonna pay for that? They'll just kill them or sell the meat to China.
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I don't understand the part I bolded. Male cows aren't milked are they? Male chickens don't lay eggs either...do they?
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I don't understand the part I bolded. Male cows aren't milked are they? Male chickens don't lay eggs either...do they?
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I think the poster meant that the male calves and the male chicks are an unwanted consequence of turning the natural process of pregnancy of the cows for milk, and the male chicks to keep the hens laying, into an industry.

If things happened naturally, then the male calves would become bulls, and may turn out to be good stock for cow insemination, or good meat for the table, who knows? The male chicks would grow up to be roosters and possible chicken for the table. However, the industrial farming methods used nowadays mean that male calves are not wanted for their meat in the dairy industry, and male chicks are killed at a day old in order to cut down on the feed bills of the egg industry.
 
New wordage to me. I 'm glad there are people whose lives are so easy this is all they have to concern themselves with with. I remember years ago when PITA wanted to start calling fish sea kittens. In fact, right now things are just too important to give any time to this stuff. If you can, well, have it.
 
BJintheUK said:
I think the poster meant that the male calves and the male chicks are an unwanted consequence of turning the natural process of pregnancy of the cows for milk, and the male chicks to keep the hens laying, into an industry.

If things happened naturally, then the male calves would become bulls, and may turn out to be good stock for cow insemination, or good meat for the table, who knows? The male chicks would grow up to be roosters and possible chicken for the table. However, the industrial farming methods used nowadays mean that male calves are not wanted for their meat in the dairy industry, and male chicks are killed at a day old in order to cut down on the feed bills of the egg industry.
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Cows will continue to give mik after their young have lef her. It's a proces of continued milking. At some point she will be bred again and milked by her new young and then continued to be milked once the young is gone. This is called keeping the cow "fresh".

Chickens normally lay an egg a day...they do not need a rooster to make this happen. I once had 150 chickens for the eggs and I would cull them regularly as they got oder. I sold the surplus eggs but never a chicken. I wouldnt want to eat a chicken someone else butchered on their homestead.


Goats work the same as cows for the most part. Male calves are used for veal...a process that keeps the young male cow away from it's mother shorty after birth and are fed very high nuitricous (sp) diet and kept in a small crate thing tied to it so they don't move much as that toughens the meat. Ever heard the term "milk fed veal"?
 
My ex-wife and I had a philosophy discussion once. I said just because we cannot hear it, doesn't mean plants don't scream when they are sliced apart or ripped out of the ground. She didn't like that answer.

The yogis above, well they are eating the plants babies, which were intended to have their own lives.

My daughter is aggressively non-meat. She was sounding off about chicken farming. I told her that if not for humans, millions of chickens would have no life at all.

I do believe that meat doesn't need to be as prominent in the food supply.

At the same time, this is the nature of Earth energy flow. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the big dogs would eat the small dogs and cats and chickens, the wolves would eat the dogs and deer and cows. The bears and mountain lions would also be in on the reset.
 
Dr.Colosso said:
A few years ago I couldn't eat anything or it hurt like crazy for hours. So I just fasted, but that hurt just as much. Called the doc. Blabla. A miracle he even picked up. They never have time. So I Googled for days and tried skipping stuff.

A teen girl online said for her it was bread with cheese that caused it. It wasn't my bowels. I felt bloated all the time. It was my stomach.

So I started a stomach saving diet and now I never have pain anymore. Can't eat bread with cheese in the morning, but toasted white bread with grated cheese is fine. Eggs no good, but a half cooked egg is fine. Stuff like that. And if I ate something wrong like lately a whole can of cheese fondue (bad idea), then it did hurt, but ginger helps great.
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Thanks for some pointers. It must be good that you've identified things to avoid. I relate to problems with cheese, also eggs. Sometimes I don't do well with those, then other times, it's okay. :confused:

A friend of mine with IBS issues cannot eat corn, yet it's one food I tolerate best. My normal diet consists of vegetables steamed until overdone, baked chicken, llittle or no starch. That plan usually works, but only for so long, then I have to so something different for awhile. At that point, I get frustrated, say to heck with it, get a cheeseburget and fries, or something equally bad. It may backfire,, or be just what I needed. My body lets mee know the next day.

One thing that NEVER works is eating anyting much after 6 PM.
 

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