Marie5656
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Monday Night Football....my team the Bills V Jets In NY
A nice tribute
A nice tribute
2023-4 NFL Pro Football (Pls, no other sports - thx!)
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JustBonee
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Aaron Rogers, 4 plays into the game ....... and he is done for the season
CNN —
Quarterback Aaron Rodgers, making his debut with the New York Jets, was carted off the field after suffering an ankle injury on just his fourth play in the team’s NFL game against the Buffalo Bills on Monday night.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/11/sport/nfl-aaron-rodgers-injury-spt-intl/index.html
CNN —
Quarterback Aaron Rodgers, making his debut with the New York Jets, was carted off the field after suffering an ankle injury on just his fourth play in the team’s NFL game against the Buffalo Bills on Monday night.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/11/sport/nfl-aaron-rodgers-injury-spt-intl/index.html
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Tempsontime65
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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...so I guess that you think that the cowbums are going to the Superbowl....there's a little team in San Fran that might disrupt that dream....I HATE THE DIRTY dallas cowbums!!!Dallas Cowboys 40, New York Giants 0.
Football is the only sport where my favorite team isn't from New York. The Jets are my 2nd favorite, But I have been die hard Cowboys fan since the 1970's. Always love seeing the Cowboys beat the Giants, Eagles, & Washington!
Paladin1950
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Oh are we a little jealous 49er or Giant fan? Eagles or Washington? All losers. Really name calling? Reminds me of being in 8th grade and listening to little immature boys calling teams and players they don't like, childish names.
OldFeller
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What are the Jets doing? Do you think Aaron Rodgers was seriously hurt in the first possession of their game against the Bill's?
Or did Rodgers join the Jets simply as a draw to insure seasons tickets holders would renew this year but with no intention of playing this season?
Or did Rodgers join the Jets simply as a draw to insure seasons tickets holders would renew this year but with no intention of playing this season?
JustBonee
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I feel bad for him, since he is done for the season. Wonder if that is the end for him in the NFL?
Let's remember that the Jets did win the game without Rogers which has to give them confidence that they can do this. If they lost it would have been a psychological letdown and might have ended up haunting them the rest of the season. Give them a week to adjust their play calling with Rogers out, and who knows?
Lethe200
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NFL Week 2 Predictions: Our Picks Against the Spread
NY Times Sept. 14, 2023
Six months of anticipation for the Jets dissolved when Aaron Rodgers tore his left Achilles’ tendon 3+ minutes into Monday night’s game. But the surprising victory over the division-rival Bills revealed strengths — and Buffalo weaknesses — that could be interesting to watch play out the rest of the way.
Week 2 should provide more intrigue as Lamar Jackson explores a newly built Ravens offense against the Bengals, who last week signed QB Joe Burrow to a dizzying contract extension. The Lions bring momentum into their matchup against the Seahawks that includes their shocking win over the Chiefs last week. On the other end of the spectrum, the Steelers and Giants can’t be as bad as they were in the drubbings they took last week, can they?
Finding out whether teams are as good as their preseason hype, or as bad as their Week 1 showings, is the fun part.
Thursday’s Game: Minnesota Vikings at Philadelphia Eagles, 8:15 p.m., Amazon Prime Video ONLY
A short turnaround should be beneficial for both the Vikings (0-1) and the Eagles (1-0) as they look to rebound from sloppy Week 1 performances. Though the Eagles defeated the Patriots, 25-20, Philly allowed three sacks of Jalen Hurts, who also lost a fumble late in Q4. He’ll have a rougher go of things without lead RB Kenneth Gainwell, who is expected to miss the game with a rib injury.
The Vikings had three turnovers in the first half of last week’s 20-17 loss to the Buccaneers. Receiver Justin Jefferson is likely to line up against CB Darius Slay, which could limit his effectiveness, but the Eagles D could be stretched thin with CB James Bradberry (concussion) and safety Reed Blankenship (ribs) both ruled out.
Minnesota’s D is more likely the weak link, tasked with guarding receivers A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith. Expect the Eagles to start the season 2-0. Pick: Eagles
Sunday Games
Baltimore Ravens at Cincinnati Bengals, 1 p.m., CBS
This early AFC North matchup has Baltimore’s Lamar Jackson and Cincinnati’s Joe Burrow, both signing lucrative contract extensions this year.
Burrow’s core unit remained intact from last season, but his Bengals (0-1) looked sloppy against a Cleveland Browns team he’s never beaten. He’s got the edge in the head-to-head career matchup, 3-2, against Baltimore, but hasn’t gone up against the Ravens’ (1-0) revamped offense, led by new OC Todd Monken with new receivers Odell Beckham Jr. and Zay Flowers. The game should be close. Pick: Browns
KC Chiefs at Jacksonville Jaguars, 1 p.m., CBS
Jacksonville threatened but failed to oust KC in the 2022 divisional round of AFC playoffs. Last week, with TE Travis Kelce (knee) and DL Chris Jones (contract holdout) absent, the Chiefs (0-1) suffered an upset loss to the Lions. Both players are back on the field on Sunday.
The Jaguars (1-0) looked impressive last week because of QB Trevor Lawrence and receiver Calvin Ridley, who caught eight passes for 101 yds and a TD in his first game back with Jacksonville after a gambling suspension. But if KC has those core pieces back it’s hard to pick against the reigning SB champion. Pick: Chiefs
Seattle Seahawks at Detroit Lions, 1 p.m., Fox
After the Lions (1-0) upset the Chiefs in the season opener, Detroit safety C.J. Gardner-Johnson donned a blue ski mask in the locker room and screamed, “This ain’t the same Detroit.” He has since called for fans to copy his look for the home opener. The formerly bottom-dwelling Lions are favorites against the Seahawks (0-1), who made the playoffs last season. But this ain’t the same Seattle, either. In Week 1, the Seahawks looked inept against the Rams, producing just 180 total yds on offense and one viral meme of QB Geno Smith facing the Los Angeles pass rush.
More uncharacteristic for a Pete Carroll-led team, Seattle’s defense allowed 334 yds in the air. A similar showing would net a loss against the Lions, as Jared Goff connected with seven different targets against KC. Detroit should win this one at home, but expect Carroll to make adjustments, which could keep the score closer than the spread. Pick: Lions
Washington Commanders at Denver Broncos, 4:25 p.m., CBS
Though the Broncos (0-1) came away from Week 1 with a close loss to the division-rival Raiders, improvements under Coach Sean Payton were obvious. Russell Wilson tossed two TDs without an interception, and the offense functioned well. There’s hope Denver could build on that success against the Commanders (1-0), whose defense is expected to be without DL Chase Young (neck). Wilson could see a cleaner passing pocket without Young involved in the pass rush. Coach Ron Rivera said this week that Washington will have to show some patience with the second-year QB Sam Howell, who will make his third NFL start, but it is unlikely that the Broncos’ defense will be so kind. Pick: Broncos
GBay Packers at Atlanta Falcons, 1 p.m., Fox
Aaron Jones had 127 all-purpose yds and two TDs — one receiving, one rushing — on just 11 touches against the Bears to help usher in the Jordan Love era for the Packers (1-0). The young QB’s poise (he threw three TDs without an interception Sunday) may get tested against the Falcons with Jones’s status potentially in question because of a hamstring injury.
The GBay defense, though, registered four sacks against Chicago, and that pass rush could rattle Atlanta’s second-year QB, Desmond Ridder, who threw for just 115 yds against Carolina in Week 1. The Falcons’ passing game should toil again, but don’t expect a Packers defense that was 28th against the run in 2022 to contain the rookie top-10 pick Bijan Robinson. Pick: Packers
Las Vegas Raiders at Buffalo Bills, 1 p.m., CBS
Four careless turnovers from Josh Allen doomed the Bills (0-1) against the Jets’ formidable defense. He can rebound against the Raiders (1-0), who face uncertainty over the playing status of two key contributors. DL Chandler Jones was away from the team last week amid a conflict with staff that trickled out in a since-deleted social media rant, and it is unclear if he will play this week. The team’s #2 receiver, Jakobi Meyers, entered concussion protocol and could be out this Sunday. If Allen is more precise and varies his downfield looks to Stefon Diggs, the Bills could run away with this one. Pick: Bills
Los Angeles Chargers at Tennessee Titans, 1 p.m., CBS
It’s Coach Brandon Staley’s third season with the Chargers (0-1), one which has so far been characterized by poor defense and a lack of situational awareness. Last week, the Chargers allowed the Dolphins to amass more than 500 total yds, and a pass-interference penalty from CB J.C. Jackson gave Miami a chance to kick a field goal before halftime, points that proved to be the difference in a 36-34 loss.
Against the Titans (0-1), they’ll face a far less potent offense, but one that nevertheless boasts Derrick Henry, one of the best RBs of this era. Henry saw a diminished workload (63 yds on 15 carries) last week in a loss to the Saints, but could feast against the Chargers’ weak linebacker corps. Pick: Chargers
Chicago Bears at TBay Buccaneers, 1 p.m., Fox
The Bears proved their optimism in Justin Fields’s development back in April, trading down in the draft to select OL Darnell Wright in the first round rather than a QB. That optimism was dampened as Fields opened his Y2 by passing for just one TD and getting sacked 4x a loss to the Packers.
Things should go better against the Buccaneers (1-0), considered to have one of the worst rosters in the league. TBay allowed more than 300 passing yds in Week 1 against the Vikings, but may be swaggering behind the better-than-expected performance of QB Baker Mayfield. Fields over-relied on his legs last season, in part because of a deficient receiving group but this year is bolstered by D.J. Moore and a healthy Darnell Mooney. Biggest rumblings around the Bears (0-1) center on whether Coach Matt Eberflus will bench receiver Chase Claypool for a paltry effort last week. If the Buccaneers’ defense can contain Fields’s runs, he could leave TBay frustrated. Pick: Buccaneers
Indianapolis Colts at Houston Texans, 1 p.m., CBS
Both of these AFC South teams are led by rookie QBs selected within the first five picks of this year’s draft, but the Colts’ Anthony Richardson has more options than Texans QB C.J. Stroud, even with RB Jonathan Taylor still on IR as he recovers from off-season ankle surgery. Richardson posed a rushing threat of his own in his NFL debut for the Colts (0-1), rushing for 40 yds and throwing for 223 in a loss to the Jaguars.
The Texans (0-1) have a feisty defense and first-year HC DeMeco Ryans showed he was willing to bet on Stroud on fourth down. But Houston scored just 9 points against the Ravens and let Stroud, a pocket passer, take four sacks. The Colts are the safer bet. Pick: Colts
SF 49ers at Los Angeles Rams, 4:05 p.m., Fox
Once viewed as one of the best modern rivalries in the NFL, the series between the Rams and the 49ers devolved into a one-sided affair last season as Los Angeles struggled with injuries and the departure of key free agents. Despite Week 1 wins, the two teams are still on very different trajectories. The 49ers (1-0) are aiming at a Super Bowl appearance while the Rams (1-0) are figuring out a rebuild as the top receiver Cooper Kupp remains on IR with a hamstring injury. Pick: 49ers
Giants at Arizona Cardinals, 4:05 p.m., Fox
The Cardinals (0-1) have one of the least talented rosters in the league, a relief for a Giants team coming off a 40-point thumping. Daniel Jones, who was sacked seven times(!) against Dallas, and the Giants should fare better in Arizona.
Giants TE Darren Waller and rookie receiver Jalin Hyatt should have a better showcase against a Cardinals defensive backfield that features a rookie CB, Kei’Trel Clark. First-year Cardinals HC Jonathan Gannon said this week that he’s sticking with QB Joshua Dobbs, but that isn’t a big endorsement as the backup is untested rookie fifth-round pick Clayton Tune. Pick: Giants
Jets at Dallas Cowboys, 4:25 p.m., CBS
Oddsmakers shifted this line aggressively in favor of the Cowboys (1-0), movement that considers the Jets’ major absence (Aaron Rodgers) as much as the Jets’ present weakness (the unchanged OL). The Cowboys’ defensive front, led by Micah Parsons, sacked Daniel Jones seven times on Sunday night, and could see similar success chasing down Zach Wilson. The Jets’ lone hope to keep this one close rests (again) with its elite defense, which could jar the ball from the Cowboys’ turnover-prone QB, Dak Prescott. Pick: Cowboys
Miami Dolphins at New England Patriots, 8:20 p.m., NBC
The Patriots (0-1) played a tight game last week, holding the Eagles to 0-3 on third downs in the fourth quarter. Whether that defensive stand owed to improvements to New England, or to Philadelphia’s sloppiness is a question that the Dolphins receivers Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle should answer on Sunday. Miami (1-0) amassed over 500 yds of offense last week with Tua Tagovailoa completing seven passes of 20+ yds. Pick: Dolphins
Monday’s Matchups
New Orleans Saints at Carolina Panthers, 7:15 p.m., ESPN
The Carolina rookie QB Bryce Young threw for only 146 yds against a lesser Falcons defense and should be stymied by the Saints’ mean secondary. QB Derek Carr put up 305 passing yds in Week 1 and should show better connections with receivers Chris Olave and Michael Thomas against the Panthers (0-1), who will be without their best cornerback, Jaycee Horn (hamstring). Pick: Saints
Cleveland Browns at Pittsburgh Steelers, 8:15 p.m., ESPN
The Steelers (0-1) took a beating at home from the 49ers last week and signs aren’t looking good for a rebound in Week 2. Pittsburgh’s best receiver, Diontae Johnson, could miss at least four weeks with a hamstring injury, giving the second-year QB Kenny Pickett one less option against a Browns defense that features Myles Garrett and which contained one of the best offenses in the league last week. Pick: Browns
NY Times Sept. 14, 2023
Six months of anticipation for the Jets dissolved when Aaron Rodgers tore his left Achilles’ tendon 3+ minutes into Monday night’s game. But the surprising victory over the division-rival Bills revealed strengths — and Buffalo weaknesses — that could be interesting to watch play out the rest of the way.
Week 2 should provide more intrigue as Lamar Jackson explores a newly built Ravens offense against the Bengals, who last week signed QB Joe Burrow to a dizzying contract extension. The Lions bring momentum into their matchup against the Seahawks that includes their shocking win over the Chiefs last week. On the other end of the spectrum, the Steelers and Giants can’t be as bad as they were in the drubbings they took last week, can they?
Finding out whether teams are as good as their preseason hype, or as bad as their Week 1 showings, is the fun part.
Thursday’s Game: Minnesota Vikings at Philadelphia Eagles, 8:15 p.m., Amazon Prime Video ONLY
A short turnaround should be beneficial for both the Vikings (0-1) and the Eagles (1-0) as they look to rebound from sloppy Week 1 performances. Though the Eagles defeated the Patriots, 25-20, Philly allowed three sacks of Jalen Hurts, who also lost a fumble late in Q4. He’ll have a rougher go of things without lead RB Kenneth Gainwell, who is expected to miss the game with a rib injury.
The Vikings had three turnovers in the first half of last week’s 20-17 loss to the Buccaneers. Receiver Justin Jefferson is likely to line up against CB Darius Slay, which could limit his effectiveness, but the Eagles D could be stretched thin with CB James Bradberry (concussion) and safety Reed Blankenship (ribs) both ruled out.
Minnesota’s D is more likely the weak link, tasked with guarding receivers A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith. Expect the Eagles to start the season 2-0. Pick: Eagles
Sunday Games
Baltimore Ravens at Cincinnati Bengals, 1 p.m., CBS
This early AFC North matchup has Baltimore’s Lamar Jackson and Cincinnati’s Joe Burrow, both signing lucrative contract extensions this year.
Burrow’s core unit remained intact from last season, but his Bengals (0-1) looked sloppy against a Cleveland Browns team he’s never beaten. He’s got the edge in the head-to-head career matchup, 3-2, against Baltimore, but hasn’t gone up against the Ravens’ (1-0) revamped offense, led by new OC Todd Monken with new receivers Odell Beckham Jr. and Zay Flowers. The game should be close. Pick: Browns
KC Chiefs at Jacksonville Jaguars, 1 p.m., CBS
Jacksonville threatened but failed to oust KC in the 2022 divisional round of AFC playoffs. Last week, with TE Travis Kelce (knee) and DL Chris Jones (contract holdout) absent, the Chiefs (0-1) suffered an upset loss to the Lions. Both players are back on the field on Sunday.
The Jaguars (1-0) looked impressive last week because of QB Trevor Lawrence and receiver Calvin Ridley, who caught eight passes for 101 yds and a TD in his first game back with Jacksonville after a gambling suspension. But if KC has those core pieces back it’s hard to pick against the reigning SB champion. Pick: Chiefs
Seattle Seahawks at Detroit Lions, 1 p.m., Fox
After the Lions (1-0) upset the Chiefs in the season opener, Detroit safety C.J. Gardner-Johnson donned a blue ski mask in the locker room and screamed, “This ain’t the same Detroit.” He has since called for fans to copy his look for the home opener. The formerly bottom-dwelling Lions are favorites against the Seahawks (0-1), who made the playoffs last season. But this ain’t the same Seattle, either. In Week 1, the Seahawks looked inept against the Rams, producing just 180 total yds on offense and one viral meme of QB Geno Smith facing the Los Angeles pass rush.
More uncharacteristic for a Pete Carroll-led team, Seattle’s defense allowed 334 yds in the air. A similar showing would net a loss against the Lions, as Jared Goff connected with seven different targets against KC. Detroit should win this one at home, but expect Carroll to make adjustments, which could keep the score closer than the spread. Pick: Lions
Washington Commanders at Denver Broncos, 4:25 p.m., CBS
Though the Broncos (0-1) came away from Week 1 with a close loss to the division-rival Raiders, improvements under Coach Sean Payton were obvious. Russell Wilson tossed two TDs without an interception, and the offense functioned well. There’s hope Denver could build on that success against the Commanders (1-0), whose defense is expected to be without DL Chase Young (neck). Wilson could see a cleaner passing pocket without Young involved in the pass rush. Coach Ron Rivera said this week that Washington will have to show some patience with the second-year QB Sam Howell, who will make his third NFL start, but it is unlikely that the Broncos’ defense will be so kind. Pick: Broncos
GBay Packers at Atlanta Falcons, 1 p.m., Fox
Aaron Jones had 127 all-purpose yds and two TDs — one receiving, one rushing — on just 11 touches against the Bears to help usher in the Jordan Love era for the Packers (1-0). The young QB’s poise (he threw three TDs without an interception Sunday) may get tested against the Falcons with Jones’s status potentially in question because of a hamstring injury.
The GBay defense, though, registered four sacks against Chicago, and that pass rush could rattle Atlanta’s second-year QB, Desmond Ridder, who threw for just 115 yds against Carolina in Week 1. The Falcons’ passing game should toil again, but don’t expect a Packers defense that was 28th against the run in 2022 to contain the rookie top-10 pick Bijan Robinson. Pick: Packers
Las Vegas Raiders at Buffalo Bills, 1 p.m., CBS
Four careless turnovers from Josh Allen doomed the Bills (0-1) against the Jets’ formidable defense. He can rebound against the Raiders (1-0), who face uncertainty over the playing status of two key contributors. DL Chandler Jones was away from the team last week amid a conflict with staff that trickled out in a since-deleted social media rant, and it is unclear if he will play this week. The team’s #2 receiver, Jakobi Meyers, entered concussion protocol and could be out this Sunday. If Allen is more precise and varies his downfield looks to Stefon Diggs, the Bills could run away with this one. Pick: Bills
Los Angeles Chargers at Tennessee Titans, 1 p.m., CBS
It’s Coach Brandon Staley’s third season with the Chargers (0-1), one which has so far been characterized by poor defense and a lack of situational awareness. Last week, the Chargers allowed the Dolphins to amass more than 500 total yds, and a pass-interference penalty from CB J.C. Jackson gave Miami a chance to kick a field goal before halftime, points that proved to be the difference in a 36-34 loss.
Against the Titans (0-1), they’ll face a far less potent offense, but one that nevertheless boasts Derrick Henry, one of the best RBs of this era. Henry saw a diminished workload (63 yds on 15 carries) last week in a loss to the Saints, but could feast against the Chargers’ weak linebacker corps. Pick: Chargers
Chicago Bears at TBay Buccaneers, 1 p.m., Fox
The Bears proved their optimism in Justin Fields’s development back in April, trading down in the draft to select OL Darnell Wright in the first round rather than a QB. That optimism was dampened as Fields opened his Y2 by passing for just one TD and getting sacked 4x a loss to the Packers.
Things should go better against the Buccaneers (1-0), considered to have one of the worst rosters in the league. TBay allowed more than 300 passing yds in Week 1 against the Vikings, but may be swaggering behind the better-than-expected performance of QB Baker Mayfield. Fields over-relied on his legs last season, in part because of a deficient receiving group but this year is bolstered by D.J. Moore and a healthy Darnell Mooney. Biggest rumblings around the Bears (0-1) center on whether Coach Matt Eberflus will bench receiver Chase Claypool for a paltry effort last week. If the Buccaneers’ defense can contain Fields’s runs, he could leave TBay frustrated. Pick: Buccaneers
Indianapolis Colts at Houston Texans, 1 p.m., CBS
Both of these AFC South teams are led by rookie QBs selected within the first five picks of this year’s draft, but the Colts’ Anthony Richardson has more options than Texans QB C.J. Stroud, even with RB Jonathan Taylor still on IR as he recovers from off-season ankle surgery. Richardson posed a rushing threat of his own in his NFL debut for the Colts (0-1), rushing for 40 yds and throwing for 223 in a loss to the Jaguars.
The Texans (0-1) have a feisty defense and first-year HC DeMeco Ryans showed he was willing to bet on Stroud on fourth down. But Houston scored just 9 points against the Ravens and let Stroud, a pocket passer, take four sacks. The Colts are the safer bet. Pick: Colts
SF 49ers at Los Angeles Rams, 4:05 p.m., Fox
Once viewed as one of the best modern rivalries in the NFL, the series between the Rams and the 49ers devolved into a one-sided affair last season as Los Angeles struggled with injuries and the departure of key free agents. Despite Week 1 wins, the two teams are still on very different trajectories. The 49ers (1-0) are aiming at a Super Bowl appearance while the Rams (1-0) are figuring out a rebuild as the top receiver Cooper Kupp remains on IR with a hamstring injury. Pick: 49ers
Giants at Arizona Cardinals, 4:05 p.m., Fox
The Cardinals (0-1) have one of the least talented rosters in the league, a relief for a Giants team coming off a 40-point thumping. Daniel Jones, who was sacked seven times(!) against Dallas, and the Giants should fare better in Arizona.
Giants TE Darren Waller and rookie receiver Jalin Hyatt should have a better showcase against a Cardinals defensive backfield that features a rookie CB, Kei’Trel Clark. First-year Cardinals HC Jonathan Gannon said this week that he’s sticking with QB Joshua Dobbs, but that isn’t a big endorsement as the backup is untested rookie fifth-round pick Clayton Tune. Pick: Giants
Jets at Dallas Cowboys, 4:25 p.m., CBS
Oddsmakers shifted this line aggressively in favor of the Cowboys (1-0), movement that considers the Jets’ major absence (Aaron Rodgers) as much as the Jets’ present weakness (the unchanged OL). The Cowboys’ defensive front, led by Micah Parsons, sacked Daniel Jones seven times on Sunday night, and could see similar success chasing down Zach Wilson. The Jets’ lone hope to keep this one close rests (again) with its elite defense, which could jar the ball from the Cowboys’ turnover-prone QB, Dak Prescott. Pick: Cowboys
Miami Dolphins at New England Patriots, 8:20 p.m., NBC
The Patriots (0-1) played a tight game last week, holding the Eagles to 0-3 on third downs in the fourth quarter. Whether that defensive stand owed to improvements to New England, or to Philadelphia’s sloppiness is a question that the Dolphins receivers Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle should answer on Sunday. Miami (1-0) amassed over 500 yds of offense last week with Tua Tagovailoa completing seven passes of 20+ yds. Pick: Dolphins
Monday’s Matchups
New Orleans Saints at Carolina Panthers, 7:15 p.m., ESPN
The Carolina rookie QB Bryce Young threw for only 146 yds against a lesser Falcons defense and should be stymied by the Saints’ mean secondary. QB Derek Carr put up 305 passing yds in Week 1 and should show better connections with receivers Chris Olave and Michael Thomas against the Panthers (0-1), who will be without their best cornerback, Jaycee Horn (hamstring). Pick: Saints
Cleveland Browns at Pittsburgh Steelers, 8:15 p.m., ESPN
The Steelers (0-1) took a beating at home from the 49ers last week and signs aren’t looking good for a rebound in Week 2. Pittsburgh’s best receiver, Diontae Johnson, could miss at least four weeks with a hamstring injury, giving the second-year QB Kenny Pickett one less option against a Browns defense that features Myles Garrett and which contained one of the best offenses in the league last week. Pick: Browns
Lethe200
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Bears fans are starting to turn against Justin Fields, which I think is a shame. I've watched him and to me he seems like a product of good talent harmed by bad coaching. There are very few HCs who really put an emphasis on a good QB coach, or who are capable of being a good QB developer themselves.
Over the decades I've seen too many young QBs who were put in situations where they couldn't succeed. They either develop bad habits or end up injured trying to do too much without the right support. Think Andrew Luck - easily a HoF talent, but never had a decent OL protecting him. I salute him for retiring young because Colts mgmt was never going to surround him with enough quality to win.
Anyway, I was thinking about this because of this article from The Athletic/NYTimes. This is an excerpt re the Bears and Fields:
NFL’s best and worst Week 2 coaching decisions: Luke Getsy hinders Justin Fields
The Athletic on Week 2 results (excerpt):
DISLIKES:
Whatever the Chicago Bears are doing with Justin Fields
Two things could be true: Justin Fields is struggling and there is no staff doing a worse job of supporting its young quarterback. It took six weeks last year for offensive coordinator Luke Getsy to start committing to calling designed rushes for Fields. From weeks 7 to 16, the Bears averaged 2.16 points per drive (12th in the NFL). They’ve abandoned that strategy this season for some reason.
According to TruMedia, the Bears have called only two designed rushes (not including sneaks and kneeldowns) for Fields. That figure doesn’t include simple zone-read plays in which Fields has an option to keep, but the Bears have to have many, many more ways for Fields to run the ball. With Fields struggling, the option should be heavily featured.
There also have been several plays in which receivers are running in the same area with terrible spacing. It’s hard to tell what the purpose is of some of Getsy’s designs. If that wasn’t bad enough, they also put Fields in a position to fail on his fourth-quarter pick six.
Earlier in the game, Getsy called two successful running back screens. After a drive in which Fields led the offense to a touchdown with downfield throws, the Bears got the ball back, down by three, on their own 12-yard line after a defensive offside. Getsy called a running back screen to the right, but it was negated by an offensive pass interference penalty.
Backed up on their 6-yard line, Getsy called the same screen to the same side. Edge linebacker Shaquil Barrett recognized the screen and dropped back to intercept the pass. There was no room for Fields to ground the ball, and because he was backed up in his own end zone, he needed to get rid of the pass and couldn’t take a sack. It was an impossible situation for the young quarterback and an absolutely terrible decision by Getsy. Fields is to blame for some of the Bears’ struggles, but it’s hard to see any young quarterback developing in this situation.
Over the decades I've seen too many young QBs who were put in situations where they couldn't succeed. They either develop bad habits or end up injured trying to do too much without the right support. Think Andrew Luck - easily a HoF talent, but never had a decent OL protecting him. I salute him for retiring young because Colts mgmt was never going to surround him with enough quality to win.
Anyway, I was thinking about this because of this article from The Athletic/NYTimes. This is an excerpt re the Bears and Fields:
NFL’s best and worst Week 2 coaching decisions: Luke Getsy hinders Justin Fields
The Athletic on Week 2 results (excerpt):
DISLIKES:
Whatever the Chicago Bears are doing with Justin Fields
Two things could be true: Justin Fields is struggling and there is no staff doing a worse job of supporting its young quarterback. It took six weeks last year for offensive coordinator Luke Getsy to start committing to calling designed rushes for Fields. From weeks 7 to 16, the Bears averaged 2.16 points per drive (12th in the NFL). They’ve abandoned that strategy this season for some reason.
According to TruMedia, the Bears have called only two designed rushes (not including sneaks and kneeldowns) for Fields. That figure doesn’t include simple zone-read plays in which Fields has an option to keep, but the Bears have to have many, many more ways for Fields to run the ball. With Fields struggling, the option should be heavily featured.
There also have been several plays in which receivers are running in the same area with terrible spacing. It’s hard to tell what the purpose is of some of Getsy’s designs. If that wasn’t bad enough, they also put Fields in a position to fail on his fourth-quarter pick six.
Earlier in the game, Getsy called two successful running back screens. After a drive in which Fields led the offense to a touchdown with downfield throws, the Bears got the ball back, down by three, on their own 12-yard line after a defensive offside. Getsy called a running back screen to the right, but it was negated by an offensive pass interference penalty.
Backed up on their 6-yard line, Getsy called the same screen to the same side. Edge linebacker Shaquil Barrett recognized the screen and dropped back to intercept the pass. There was no room for Fields to ground the ball, and because he was backed up in his own end zone, he needed to get rid of the pass and couldn’t take a sack. It was an impossible situation for the young quarterback and an absolutely terrible decision by Getsy. Fields is to blame for some of the Bears’ struggles, but it’s hard to see any young quarterback developing in this situation.
Tempsontime65
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Not childish...I just hate the Cowbums..it tickles me that every season the [so-called]experts pick Dallas for the big dance, when they can't get pass the first round.. oh and yes I'm a Commanders fan so you can understand the hatred, it goes way back...it's called a rivalry.. look it up.. oh we'll see you all on Thanksgiving.. bring your A-game!!!