AI Real Estate software driving housing inflation

David777

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A reason we have excessive real estate inflation on rental units is in part due to a$%^&!@ real estate corporations using AI software to set rents as high as they can to maximize profits. There has been lawsuits in federal court, and today San Francisco also filed suit. The real estate industry is the root cause of several USA ills and the below is just one example of how they are doing so. And politicians are not surprisingly, complicit in quietly making sure nothing is done and keeping the public unaware. Although there is an active federal investigation, one can expect that is being monkeywrenched by Wall Street types.

https://www.mmmlaw.com/news-resources/the-real-risks-of-using-realpage/

RealPage became the nation’s dominant provider of such rent-setting software after federal regulators approved [example of politician involvement] controversial merger in 2017, a ProPublica investigation found, greatly expanding the company’s influence over apartment prices. The move helped the Texas-based company push the client base for its array of real estate tech services past 31,700 customers.

The impact is stark in some markets. In one neighborhood in Seattle, ProPublica found, 70% of apartments were overseen by just 10 property managers, every single one of which used pricing software sold by RealPage. To arrive at a recommended rent, the software deploys an algorithm — a set of mathematical rules — to analyze a trove of data RealPage gathers from clients, including private information on what nearby competitors charge.


First, we need to decouple wealthy foreign investors from buying our housing that is often through Wall Street REITs that shield foreigners, making them invisible from direct housing purchasing statistics. That works to make it appear to the American public that few foreigners and their legal entities are involved, a huge lie one regularly reads when anything is made public on these issues. Next we need to stop them buying up mobile home parks with its defenseless low income and senior residents. And we need to stop the practice of almost only expensive McMansion style housing being built that they use excessive illegal immigration domino style to squeeze out maximum money from our working class citizens.
 

Wether manual or automatic investors will try to get the biggest bang for their buck. And they were shopping competitors and the area long before they try to sell their properties.

That being said AI and other factors accelerate the rate of housing inflation. But people are still buying or renting. Had brand new apartments go up for rent a year ago and they just started getting tenants this summer 9 months later and still have their sign up saying available units. The starting price was $2200 with no pool, in a mix used use neighborhood/commercial area with trains and trucks going by 24/7. Sometimes companies will pay for employees to stay in apartments rather than hotels on long term projects and they love it because they know a business is paying for it.
 
It's maddening. Some rent control in California but not enough. Other states have nothing.

My brother's daughter got her rent raised several hundred dollars at once. I think in North Carolina. I'm glad she had the insight to go buy a condo. As a single professional, she didn't need a house.
 
Well this complex had local owners. I think they owned two complexes in town. When they sold to these predators, things changed. The old owners did not raise the rent yearly, these do, to the max they can. I'm sure the previous owners were still making money.
 
A reason we have excessive real estate inflation on rental units is in part due to a$%^&!@ real estate corporations using AI software to set rents as high as they can to maximize profits. There has been lawsuits in federal court, and today San Francisco also filed suit. The real estate industry is the root cause of several USA ills and the below is just one example of how they are doing so. And politicians are not surprisingly, complicit in quietly making sure nothing is done and keeping the public unaware. Although there is an active federal investigation, one can expect that is being monkeywrenched by Wall Street types.

https://www.mmmlaw.com/news-resources/the-real-risks-of-using-realpage/

RealPage became the nation’s dominant provider of such rent-setting software after federal regulators approved [example of politician involvement] controversial merger in 2017, a ProPublica investigation found, greatly expanding the company’s influence over apartment prices. The move helped the Texas-based company push the client base for its array of real estate tech services past 31,700 customers.

The impact is stark in some markets. In one neighborhood in Seattle, ProPublica found, 70% of apartments were overseen by just 10 property managers, every single one of which used pricing software sold by RealPage. To arrive at a recommended rent, the software deploys an algorithm — a set of mathematical rules — to analyze a trove of data RealPage gathers from clients, including private information on what nearby competitors charge.


First, we need to decouple wealthy foreign investors from buying our housing that is often through Wall Street REITs that shield foreigners, making them invisible from direct housing purchasing statistics. That works to make it appear to the American public that few foreigners and their legal entities are involved, a huge lie one regularly reads when anything is made public on these issues. Next we need to stop them buying up mobile home parks with its defenseless low income and senior residents. And we need to stop the practice of almost only expensive McMansion style housing being built that they use excessive illegal immigration domino style to squeeze out maximum money from our working class citizens.
AND, did you know the Tech Bro who created Zillow, his stated purpose was to manipulate the real estate market the same way news of stock prices causes stocks to increase over time? That’s why all these years, since its creation, the Zillow price of a home was always 5% to 20% higher than the MLS estimate of a home’s value. It was market manipulation.

How do we turn homes and houses back into homes first, and investments 2nd? Have to regulate it more. Regulate the investors because the investor class, they have enough cash to buy every home in America and turn 99% of us into renters.
 
I believe that we should keep well intentioned government regulation out of it and let the market regulate itself.

The media reports on many aspects of our lives whip people into a frenzy and create fear and worry for us all.

The fact is that all any of us need to do is find one home or apartment that we can manage on our income, all of the articles and statistics are just noise.

I’ve been fortunate that the shabby no frills apartment complex where I live has only increased my rent by $15.00/month in the fourteen years that I’ve lived here while new tenants pay substantially more for updated versions of a similar apartment.

If at some point my rent here is no longer a good value I’ll move on and figure out something just like I’ve been figuring things out for the last seventy years.
 
I don't think it matters much, which realtor or software ones uses, what owner would rent a pace for $480/month, when someone else will pay $2,200?
That's half the issue. If they don't have vacancies and people keep on paying they'll keep on charging what ever.

The biggest effect I've seen so far many places have gone to month or short lease which could be a sign too many don't renew or want out early.
 
I believe that we should keep well intentioned government regulation out of it and let the market regulate itself.

The media reports on many aspects of our lives whip people into a frenzy and create fear and worry for us all.

The fact is that all any of us need to do is find one home or apartment that we can manage on our income, all of the articles and statistics are just noise.

I’ve been fortunate that the shabby no frills apartment complex where I live has only increased my rent by $15.00/month in the fourteen years that I’ve lived here while new tenants pay substantially more for updated versions of a similar apartment.

If at some point my rent here is no longer a good value I’ll move on and figure out something just like I’ve been figuring things out for the last seventy years.
"The fact is that all any of us need to do is find one home or apartment that we can manage on our income, all of the articles and statistics are just noise."
That may be easier said than done Aunt Bea. Studio apartments in decent areas of northern N.J. start at around $1,200 but average was $1,550 in 2021, per HUD. One bedrooms can be as low as $1,400 but average ranges from $1,700 to $1,850 a month. Single people and/or people who have social security as their only source of income may find it hard to manage with rents that high. And unfortunately, there can be a three year wait for public senior housing and even private senior apartments.
 
I believe that we should keep well intentioned government regulation out of it and let the market regulate itself.

Are you seriously believing we could get rid of laws against price-fixing? That's the opposite of the healthy competition that is desired by most people.
 
Are you seriously believing we could get rid of laws against price-fixing? That's the opposite of the healthy competition that is desired by most people.
I’m not sure I understand how government price fixing is a form of healthy competition but I respect your right to your opinion.
 
"The fact is that all any of us need to do is find one home or apartment that we can manage on our income, all of the articles and statistics are just noise."
That may be easier said than done Aunt Bea. Studio apartments in decent areas of northern N.J. start at around $1,200 but average was $1,550 in 2021, per HUD. One bedrooms can be as low as $1,400 but average ranges from $1,700 to $1,850 a month. Single people and/or people who have social security as their only source of income may find it hard to manage with rents that high. And unfortunately, there can be a three year wait for public senior housing and even private senior apartments.
Prices are not much different here in Central New York.

All my life there have been things that I have not been able to afford but I have always been able to make concessions and find some alternative.

I’m confident that I still have that ability to work with what I have and come up with a solution for me even if I can’t come up with a solution for everyone else.

I may end my days in a single room or with one or more roommates.

If my income is too low to do it on my own I can seek some form of government subsidy.

In this area the income cap for a single person on Section 8 is now $54,350/year. A Section 8 voucher would cap my housing expense at 30% of my income.

All I’m trying to say is don’t live in fear and don’t develop a victim mentality. Do your homework and find a solution for your own problems even if you can’t save the world.
 
Prices are not much different here in Central New York.

All my life there have been things that I have not been able to afford but I have always been able to make concessions and find some alternative.

I’m confident that I still have that ability to work with what I have and come up with a solution for me even if I can’t come up with a solution for everyone else.

I may end my days in a single room or with one or more roommates.

If my income is too low to do it on my own I can seek some form of government subsidy.

In this area the income cap for a single person on Section 8 is now $54,350/year. A Section 8 voucher would cap my housing expense at 30% of my income.

All I’m trying to say is don’t live in fear and don’t develop a victim mentality. Do your homework and find a solution for your own problems even if you can’t save the world.
I have always respected your views and opinions Aunt Bea. You are a wise, practical person.
"All I’m trying to say is don’t live in fear and don’t develop a victim mentality. Do your homework and find a solution for your own problems even if you can’t save the world." That is excellent advice. I would hope that advice works well for those who need an affordable place to live.
 
I don't think it matters much, which realtor or software ones uses, what owner would rent a pace for $480/month, when someone else will pay $2,200?
Correct. The idea that owners of rental property are idiots who don’t know that the market rents are just doesn't hold water. Blaming it on AI is just a way for politicians to divert people’s attention from the real cause of higher rent and housing prices - The lack of supply and the cost of building new units. Of course, they could blame that on AI also.
 
Glad to read what Australia has just done, much like Canada's 2022 ban that worked so well that has been extended another 2 years. Greatly wish the US would do so but Wall Street, real estate corporations, and banks have too much power, and are inconsiderately, selfishly getting rich off the rest of we citizens, as they control news media on that narrative. About the only news stories they ever allow are ones whining how home prices are not rising enough (...for them to get rich). However if more people become aware of that possibility, it will put pressure on politicians. A major factor in homelessness, inability of average Americans to purchase homes, and property crimes.

https://fortune.com/2025/02/16/australia-housing-foreign-investor-ban-home-prices-rent/

Australia has announced a two-year ban on foreign investors purchasing existing homes, starting April 1, 2025, as part of efforts to address the ongoing housing crisis. This policy aims to free up approximately 1,800 properties annually for local buyers.


The decision comes amid growing dissatisfaction with housing affordability, a key issue in the upcoming general elections. "We're banning foreign purchases of established dwellings from April 1, 2025, until March 31 2027," treasurer Jim Chalmers said in a statement with housing minister Clare O'Neil. The ban, which will run until March 31, 2027, is seen as a move to ease the pressure on housing supply. A review of the policy will be conducted to determine whether it should be extended further.

Under the government’s plan, foreign investors – including temporary residents such as international students and foreign-owned companies – will not be allowed to purchase an established dwelling in Australia from April 1, 2025 until March 31, 2027.

They will still be able to purchase new dwellings, to encourage the supply of housing. The government will also crack down on land banking by forcing foreign investors who purchase vacant land to develop it within a reasonable time frame. For new developments, foreign investors are restricted to owning no more than 50% of the property, ensuring local buyers and investors maintain a significant stake in the development.

Foreign owners of properties that remain vacant for six months or more in a year are subject to an annual vacancy fee. This is to discourage “land banking,” where foreign investors hold onto properties without using or developing them, driving up housing prices and limiting availability for local buyers.
 
Some good news for California real estate that has for decades been skewered by greedy Wall Street investors, REITs, and their lending banks. Of course, those powerful entities will try to monkeywrench the bill.

California lawmaker aims to cap number of single-family homes corporations can buy

California's housing-crisis crackdown includes a stunning new look at just how many homes in your neighborhood are owned by Wall Street companies. Investment companies started buying up California homes when the foreclosure crisis hit. Now, one company owns so many, a Sacramento man made a map to show the impact...

Now, California Democratic Assemblymember Alex Lee wants to cap the number of single-family homes corporations can buy in California, arguing the investment companies are preventing local families from attaining home-ownership opportunities...

"I would say it's housing-crisis profiteering," Lee said. "So as we produce more housing, we don't want the market to be eliminated or narrowed because of those corporate actors."
 
California lawmaker aims to cap number of single-family homes corporations can buy

One firm owns 11,000 homes in California. If they're just sitting on them waiting for their price is one thing but if they are renting them out they're really not taking supply off the market.

But because these investment firms can afford better accountants they can depreciation, losses etc and carry them on their balance sheets for several years. So even though a house not rented or sold they might get some tax advantages.
 


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