Another military air crash. Navy jet crashes into San Diego Bay

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Another military aircraft crashes into San Diego Bay this time after it's 2 pilots and ejected safely although listed as in stable condition. Caused not released or undetermined. Navy securing the scene.

2 rescued after military plane crashes into San Diego Bay

Apparently the plane crashed few minutes after ejection. The pilots were being pulled from the water when their plane crashed. Lucky no one else hurt in a trafficked area.
 

fuzzybuddy said:
Is it me or what? It seems lately like airplane pilots have decided to play like "dodge-em cars" with their planes?????????
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Probably not a factor in this case but we have an alarming shortage of air traffic controllers in the US due to qualified people rejected by human resources because of their gender and race.
 
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That was a terrible incident but would have been worse had the pilots not ejected when they did. The plane could have crashed in a dense neighborhood nearby and caused a lot of death and damage. :unsure:
 
AnnieA said:
Probably not a factor in this case but we have an alarming shortage of air traffic controllers in the US due to qualified people rejected by human resources because of their gender and race.
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We have a shortage of air traffic controllers because it’s a very difficult job with a training period of 3 years. The starting pay is not great. Many people either flunk out along the way or quit because of the stress. It’s mandatory that they retire at 56 because it’s such a difficult job. I suggest you read up on the issues from a reputable source.
 
chic said:
That was a terrible incident but would have been worse had the pilots not ejected when they did. The plane could have crashed in a dense neighborhood nearby and caused a lot of death and damage. :unsure:
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It was minutes after they ejected the plane crashed. Were they at a high altitude? Do they have designated ejection areas ie a certain distance to coast?

That being said I don't many realize how many routine and close military training flights there are that could affect them at anytime
 
I'm sure, like myself, that some have considered the thought of the possibility that we've had enough of these similar plane crashes (and fires I might add) to consider nefarious activities of organized-crime syndicates who become qualified FAA-certificated Aviation Maintenance Technicians with the sole purpose of tampering with operational safety plane parts in an effort to terrorize our country .....yet we never hear anything about that.

It's possible anti-american terrorists may have worked their way into these highly-technical specialty occupations involving operational safety of products and articles, that normally keep the U.S. registered aircraft operating safe and efficient. But while doing maintenance work they possibly alter the planes safety.

I've never heard anyone in the investigations or in the news even mention a word about this possibility lately. Or are they thinking the same thing but not wanting to overreact until they are sure for fear of scaring the willies out of all of us who need to travel?
 
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Teacher Terry said:
We have a shortage of air traffic controllers because it’s a very difficult job with a training period of 3 years. The starting pay is not great. Many people either flunk out along the way or quit because of the stress. It’s mandatory that they retire at 56 because it’s such a difficult job. I suggest you read up on the issues from a reputable source.
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They start out as GS11 with auto step raises, overtime and whatever. Plus 30% supplement and location allowance if memory does not fail me. In some locations this is top dollar.
Once they age out quite a few move into other positions within DoT. Plenty of them in OKC.
 
Lara said:
I'm sure, like myself, have considered the thought of the possibility that we've had enough of these similar plane crashes (and fires I might add) to consider nefarious activities of organized-crime syndicates who become qualified FAA-certificated Aviation Maintenance Technicians with the sole purpose of tampering with operational safety plane parts in an effort to terrorize our country .....yet we never hear anything about that.

It's possible anti-american terrorists may have worked their way into these highly-technical specialty occupations involving operational safety of products and articles, that normally keep the U.S. registered aircraft operating safely and efficiently. But while doing maintenance work they possibly alter the planes safety. I've never heard anyone in the investigations or in the news even mention a word about this possibility lately. Or are they thinking the same thing but not wanting to overreact until they are sure for fear of scaring the willies out of all of us who need to travel?
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It could be sabotage but the source might not be who you think. I cancelled my flight that was supposed to leave in 2 weeks. Luckily I was offered a refundable ticket for only $30 so I took it and it’s unusual for an airline to offer that for such a low extra cost. I booked 2 months ago never thinking that I wouldn’t actually go.
 
Teacher Terry said:
It could be sabotage but the source might not be who you think. I cancelled my flight that was supposed to leave in 2 weeks. Luckily I was offered a refundable ticket for only $30 so I took it and it’s unusual for an airline to offer that for such a low extra cost. I booked 2 months ago never thinking that I wouldn’t actually go.
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I think that's wise. I would do the same just in case. :sneaky:
 
Teacher Terry said:
We have a shortage of air traffic controllers because it’s a very difficult job with a training period of 3 years. The starting pay is not great. Many people either flunk out along the way or quit because of the stress. It’s mandatory that they retire at 56 because it’s such a difficult job. I suggest you read up on the issues from a reputable source.
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Twostep said:
Annie please get your facts. Thank you.
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The 'facts' of the ongoing class action lawsuit representing over 1,000 individuals are from the 'reputable source' representing the plaintiffs. Easy to find if you put in just a smidge of effort but a little harder than popping off a message board post that shows your ignorance regarding an ongoing legal case. There are related congressional hearings from the past few years as well. You're welcome, Two step. ;)

@Teacher Terry Some of the plaintiffs in the class action lawsuit worked in ATC in the military, some were AT-CTI graduates but were passed over by the FAA for people with much less experience due to discriminatory hiring practices.
 
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AnnieA said:
The 'facts' of the ongoing class action lawsuit representing over 1,000 individuals are from the 'reputable source' representing the plaintiffs. Easy to find if you put in just a smidge of effort but a little harder than popping off a message board post that shows your ignorance regarding an ongoing legal case. There are related congressional hearings from the past few years as well. You're welcome. ;)
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I am aware of my daily life.
 
AnnieA said:
The 'facts' of the ongoing class action lawsuit representing over 1,000 individuals are from the 'reputable source' representing the plaintiffs. Easy to find if you put in just a smidge of effort but a little harder than popping off a message board post that shows your ignorance regarding an ongoing legal case. There are related congressional hearings from the past few years as well. You're welcome, Two step. ;)

@Teacher Terry Some of the plaintiffs in the class action lawsuit worked in ATC in the military, some were AT-CTI graduates but were passed over by the FAA due to discriminatory hiring practices.
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That doesn't make sense. There's a shortage of air traffic controllers, so it's highly doubtful that well qualified applicants weren't hired because they weren't minorities. It's possible that some applicants were favored because they were minorities, but it's doubtful that qualified applicants were turned away.
 
HermitHogan said:
That doesn't make sense. There's a shortage of air traffic controllers, so it's highly doubtful that well qualified applicants weren't hired because they weren't minorities. It's possible that some applicants were favored because they were minorities, but it's doubtful that qualified applicants were turned away.
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Actually back in the day as I was applying for federal firefighting jobs me and MANY other well qualified white males were passed by in favor of hiring NO ONE (no minimally qualified women or minorities applied) so don't automatically presume that just because it's stupid, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
HermitHogan said:
That doesn't make sense. There's a shortage of air traffic controllers, so it's highly doubtful that well qualified applicants weren't hired because they weren't minorities. It's possible that some applicants were favored because they were minorities, but it's doubtful that qualified applicants were turned away.
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againstthegrain said:
Actually back in the day as I was applying for federal firefighting jobs me and MANY other well qualified white males were passed by in favor of hiring NO ONE (no minimally qualified women or minorities applied) so don't automatically presume that just because it's stupid, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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@againstthegrain is correct. Hiring NO ONE does happen. Know a guy (WM) in the PNW with specialized welding skills who applied for a position with an aerospace company and wasn't hired. Eight months later the position was still open so he applied again. This time he asked the engineer overseeing the department what he could do to strengthen his resume and the guy told him nothing ...he was exactly who they needed in the position but HR wouldn't let the engineer fill the spot unless he had interviewed x number of candidates other than white males ...problem was no candidates meeting the alternative demographic profiles had applied so the position (at last I heard) had remained open for nearly two years.

The current backlash (and it is very ugly) is in part due to what @againstthegrain refers to in the above post as NO ONE. It makes me so angry that what started out as a noble goal for equity became so perverted that the backlash is instead of "one step forward, two steps back" is more like two million steps back.
 
Twostep said:
It is news right now. Crashes happen. Your link's interview sounds like human error. How many cars crash in NH every day?
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There were over car 800 crashes last week, in Virginia alone, due to weather conditions. Of course, there are many more car crashes than airplane crashes. I know that generally speaking, air travel is relatively safe, considering the thousands of flights daily. But it seems like we're hearing about more and more of them more regularly and closer and closer together. It's remarkable that the pilot of the plane crash I posted about walked away and didn't even need medical care.
 
If ever there was an accident waiting to happen it's here in London at heathrow airport where the airport was built abbutting the aiport many years ago...

How pilots avoid the roofs of these houses god alone knows..


 

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