Any Film Noir fans?

ChiroDoc

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This is the most recent noir I watched the other night:

Witness to Murder (1954)

Right in the very first scene a lady looks out her apartment window to the apartment across the way, where she witnesses a vicious strangling murder. So we know from the git-go it won’t be a whodunit. The woman reports what she saw to the police. However by the time the police go to the murderer’s apartment, he has hidden the body in an empty adjacent dwelling. So the police have no choice but to presume that the woman has imagined the whole thing. In fact she’s soon thought to be crazy. The story moves on from there, winding through several twists.

This suspenseful noir has A-list stars: Barbara Stanwyck, George Sanders, and Gary Merrill, as well as several recognizable character actors such as Jesse White and Claude Akins. Unfortunately it was helmed by a mediocre director, Roy Rowland, whose entire career contained only one or two fairly memorable films. Why United Artists chose him to direct this picture with big name stars is puzzling.

But fortunately UA had the sense to hire likely the greatest of noir cinematographers, John Alton. And he didn’t disappoint here. Peppered throughout the production are many signature chiaroscuro shots with dreamy shadows, lighting, and angles. Alton likely saved the film from being a routine crime picture.

Despite Stanwyck’s heft as an actress, she’s miscast here. Her reputation as a great thespian makes it incongruous that she inhabits a part in which the melodramatic daffiness of the character strains credulity. Sanders, on the other hand, excels as a suave psychopath, although evidently we’re not supposed to wonder how an “ex-Nazi” could have such an “ever so” English accent.

The other obvious problem is its vague similarity to another film from 1954, Hitchcock’s masterpiece Rear Window, which landed in theaters several months after “Witness”. Despite their plots feeling slightly familiar, comparing the two is night and day. In fact according to "Noir Czar" Eddie Muller, screenwriters Chester Erskine and Nunnally Johnson got wind of the story of Hitchcock working on Rear Window, and raced to get UA’s film out before Hitchcock’s.

Nevertheless “Witness” is a good watch, especially for Alton’s photography and Sander’s performance. In my case I’m always fascinated by locations in Los Angeles used in the films of the ‘40s and ‘50s. Featured here are very typical locales which represented typical L.A. architecture of that era. The main settings are two buildings at the corner of San Marino St. and S. Serrano Ave., west of downtown L.A. The canopy of Stanwyck’s apartment building is often shown flapping in the breeze, likely during the time of an occurrence of L.A.’s famous Santa Ana winds. There’s also a glimpse of the grand 4 Star Theater on Wilshire Blvd., whose marquee showed its current feature, 1953’s Julius Ceasar, with Marlon Brando.

Available on various streaming services.

Doc’s rating: 6/10
 

I don't really like watching movies anymore. My attention span has diminished, so if they don't get to the point rather soon, I'm out. However I did like
We Have Always Lived In The Castle which I watched last night.

As far as old B & W movies, I never really did like them very much. I've only watched them on TV and was either too young to understand them or they were just silly. Talked too fast with that ridiculous made-up accent (the trans-Atlantic accent?)

The few I did like I mostly watched with my mother who explained them to me or as an adult.
Sunset Boulevard
The Third Man
Diabolique
Mildred Pierce
The Letter


The modern film noir I liked include
A Ghost Story
Melancholia
a few
Vampire movies

 

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Oh! Yes...The Movies channel dedicated
Sunday right to..

'Laura'.. a celebrated 1940's is a favorite
That's a great one! Otto Preminger directed. What tickles me about that picture is that they when cast Clifton Webb as Waldo Lydecker, it was more or less Webb's "break out" role, although he'd been in a few pictures in the '30s. The role made him a star, but the funny part is that he played each succeeding movie role almost identically to his portrayal in Laura...:giggle:

And wasn't Gene Tierney gorgeous?!!
 
I don't really like watching movies anymore. My attention span has diminished, so if they don't get to the point rather soon, I'm out. However I did like
We Have Always Lived In The Castle which I watched last night.

As far as old B & W movies, I never really did like them very much. I've only watched them on TV and was either too young to understand them or they were just silly. Talked too fast with that ridiculous made-up accent (the trans-Atlantic accent?)

The few I did like I mostly watched with my mother who explained them to me or as an adult.
Sunset Boulevard
The Third Man
Diabolique
Mildred Pierce
The Letter


The modern film noir I liked include
A Ghost Story
Melancholia
a few
Vampire movies
Yeah, We Have Always Lived in a Castle was a good mystery thriller. I must have seen it several years ago.

Of the 5 noirs that you listed, my two favorites are Sunset Boulevard and The Third Main-- two of the greatest. Directors Billy Wilder and Carol Reed. Wow. If someone held a gun to my head I'd probably pick Double Indemnity (1944) as my 1st place favorite noir, another Wilder masterpiece. Stanwyck and MacMurray were flawless. And Edward G. Robinson acts one of my favorite scenes in the movie: his monologue on suicide. I can't link to the YT clip because I've just joined, but it's something else. Another reason I like it? It was made in my birth year...;)

I like many neo noirs as well, starting with the incredible Chinatown (1974). There are another dozen or so that I like, but my heart is with the classic noirs.
 
Oh, yes! I have loved black and white movies since childhood. I have fond memories of staying up late summer nights and watching movies with my brother. Lately, I have been watching the free film Noir on You Tube; there are tons!
 
Oh, yes! I have loved black and white movies since childhood. I have fond memories of staying up late summer nights and watching movies with my brother. Lately, I have been watching the free film Noir on You Tube; there are tons!
Hi there, Carousel. I was born in Ohio, but grew up in western PA-- Pittsburgh.

I too am mesmerized by black & white films. Noir is my favorite, but almost any B&W can entertain me. I don't know exactly why, although without color the movies seem more mysterious. Plus the styles are so much more appealing to me. People had class then. When I grew up in the '40s and '50s most men would still wear a jacket and tie to a pro baseball game!

And when you think about it, all films before the late '50s and early '60s were either PG or G rated, even though there was no rating system then. Studios made films for entertainment, and almost anyone in the family could watch them. Oh well, that ship has LONG sailed...:(
 
Hi there, Carousel. I was born in Ohio, but grew up in western PA-- Pittsburgh.

I too am mesmerized by black & white films. Noir is my favorite, but almost any B&W can entertain me. I don't know exactly why, although without color the movies seem more mysterious. Plus the styles are so much more appealing to me. People had class then. When I grew up in the '40s and '50s most men would still wear a jacket and tie to a pro baseball game!

And when you think about it, all films before the late '50s and early '60s were either PG or G rated, even though there was no rating system then. Studios made films for entertainment, and almost anyone in the family could watch them. Oh well, that ship has LONG sailed...:(
I agree about people having more style in those movies; I love how people dressed then! And I do love the black and white cinematography; mesmerizing! I grew up in NJ, so we had television channels broadcasted from NY, too.
 
I do enjoy watching the older noir films including those that have been mentioned. I have also enjoyed a couple of more modern movies that are similar to the film noir theme including Body Heat and LA Confidential.

Double Indemnity (the original) is one of my favorites that has not been mentioned yet.
 
I’m a fan of film noir or most any film where the suspense is generated without the use of special effects.

I pick them up on AirTV, The Movies channel.

It’s fun for me to spot some of the actors that later went on to television.

The Dark Corner with Lucille Ball is one of those films.

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I do enjoy watching the older noir films including those that have been mentioned. I have also enjoyed a couple of more modern movies that are similar to the film noir theme including Body Heat and LA Confidential.

Double Indemnity (the original) is one of my favorites that has not been mentioned yet.
Yeah, I mentioned it being my favorite of all the noirs, in post #5. To me it's a flawless film, despite Stanwyck's cheap wig...:) Wilder claimed he had her wear that wig to make her seem a little tawdry.

Another interesting thing about DI is that Billy Wilder gave Raymond Chandler (who wrote most of the dialogue) a brief cameo. Near the beginning of the film, when Neff (MacMurray) is leaving Keyes' office Chandler is shown sitting by the office door reading a newspaper. That is the only known film/video of Raymond Chandler.

I agree 100% about Body Heat and L.A. Confidential. Behind Chinatown, those two are a couple of the greatest neo-noirs ever made.
 
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I’m a fan of film noir or most any film where the suspense is generated without the use of special effects.

I pick them up on AirTV, The Movies channel.

It’s fun for me to spot some of the actors that later went on to television.

The Dark Corner with Lucille Ball is one of those films.

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Yeah, Ball was great in that movie. She actually did several noirs, and if you didn't know her later history you'd think she was just an attractive dramatic actress, although once in awhile she showed a little bit of saucy comedic take, similar to Eve Arden. She was gorgeous.

After Laura, Clifton Webb mostly played an identical character in every role after...:)
 
That's a great one! Otto Preminger directed. What tickles me about that picture is that they when cast Clifton Webb as Waldo Lydecker, it was more or less Webb's "break out" role, although he'd been in a few pictures in the '30s. The role made him a star, but the funny part is that he played each succeeding movie role almost identically to his portrayal in Laura...:giggle:

And wasn't Gene Tierney gorgeous?!!

I adore Gene Tierney! ❤️ To quote Robert Osborn, “Gene Tierney can do no wrong.”

I loved her in “Leave Her to Heaven," where she magnificently played against type. One of my favorite actresses in one of my favorite color films noirs. 👍👍

Quote from The Criterion Collection.

"Novelist Richard Harland (Cornel Wilde) seems to have found the perfect woman in Ellen (Gene Tierney), a beautiful socialite who initiates a whirlwind romance and steers him into marriage before he can think twice. Yet the glassy surface of Ellen’s devotion soon reveals monstrous depths, as Richard comes to realize that his wife is shockingly possessive and may be capable of destroying anyone who comes between them. A singular Hollywood masterpiece that draws freely from the women’s picture and film noir alike, Leave Her to Heaven boasts elegant direction by melodrama specialist John M. Stahl, blazing Technicolor cinematography by Leon Shamroy, and a chilling performance by Tierney, whose Ellen is a femme fatale unlike any other—a woman whose love is as pure as it is poisonous."

 
I adore Gene Tierney! ❤️ To quote Robert Osborn, “Gene Tierney can do no wrong.”

I loved her in “Leave Her to Heaven," where she magnificently played against type. One of my favorite actresses in one of my favorite color films noirs. 👍👍

Quote from The Criterion Collection.

"Novelist Richard Harland (Cornel Wilde) seems to have found the perfect woman in Ellen (Gene Tierney), a beautiful socialite who initiates a whirlwind romance and steers him into marriage before he can think twice. Yet the glassy surface of Ellen’s devotion soon reveals monstrous depths, as Richard comes to realize that his wife is shockingly possessive and may be capable of destroying anyone who comes between them. A singular Hollywood masterpiece that draws freely from the women’s picture and film noir alike, Leave Her to Heaven boasts elegant direction by melodrama specialist John M. Stahl, blazing Technicolor cinematography by Leon Shamroy, and a chilling performance by Tierney, whose Ellen is a femme fatale unlike any other—a woman whose love is as pure as it is poisonous."

In this movie Gene Tierney is breathtakingly beautiful, despite the bad character she plays. The train scene is overwhelming.

"Well of all the seven deadly sins, jealousy is the most deadly" (at 3:02 in the movie)
 
I adore Gene Tierney! ❤️ To quote Robert Osborn, “Gene Tierney can do no wrong.”

I loved her in Leave Her to Heaven," where she magnificently played against type. One of my favorite actresses in one of my favorite color films noirs. 👍👍

Quote from The Criterion Collection.

"Novelist Richard Harland (Cornel Wilde) seems to have found the perfect woman in Ellen (Gene Tierney), a beautiful socialite who initiates a whirlwind romance and steers him into marriage before he can think twice. Yet the glassy surface of Ellen’s devotion soon reveals monstrous depths, as Richard comes to realize that his wife is shockingly possessive and may be capable of destroying anyone who comes between them. A singular Hollywood masterpiece that draws freely from the women’s picture and film noir alike, Leave Her to Heaven boasts elegant direction by melodrama specialist John M. Stahl, blazing Technicolor cinematography by Leon Shamroy, and a chilling performance by Tierney, whose Ellen is a femme fatale unlike any other—a woman whose love is as pure as it is poisonous."
Oh yeah! Really good film, and one of the few classic noirs shot in color. Tierney was stunning in her beauty, which made it that much more incongruous that she was such a crazy dangerous woman in her role. Ironically, starting in the 1950s she had worsening mental problems which led her to treatment and institutions. But happily she married a Texas oilman in the late '50s, and pretty much lived happily ever after-- even briefly returning to the screen in the early '60s.

And Jeanne Crain was so lovely too. She was in a couple of noirs. I liked her in The Tattrered Dress (1957), with Jeff Chadler.
 
A few years ago I went through a spell of watching all the film noirs that I could find on TV channels, Netflix, and Youtube. I'm not too much on the horror/bizarre-themed ones. I very much like well-done mystery/detective movies. But among the "neos" (often in color), Chinatown is one of my all-time favorite movies, period.

Previous posters have mentioned some great examples of the B&Ws. Yes, lots of fine acting, direction, and cinematography in the better 1940-50s ones. I especially like that late-40s to early-50s period, because by then the lighting had greatly improved... maybe that was a combination of the lighting technology, but also possibly the expertise of the film crews and the quality of the B&W film stock available?
 
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A few years ago I went through a spell of watching all the film noirs that I could find on TV channels, Netflix, and Youtube. I'm not too much on the horror/bizarre-themed ones. I very much like well-done mystery/detective movies. But among the "neos" (often in color), Chinatown is one of my all-time favorite movies, period.

Previous posters have mentioned some great examples of the B&Ws. Yes, lots of fine acting, direction, and cinematography in the better 1940-50s ones. I especially like that late-40s to early-50s period, because by then the lighting had greatly improved... maybe that was a combination of the lighting technology, but also possibly the expertise of the film crews and the quality of the B&W film stock available?
I too am a huge fan of Chinatown (1974). It's not only the greatest neo-noir, but certainly one of the best noirs ever; and the argument could be made that it's one of the great films from Hollywood. Everything clicked and meshed on that production: the excellent script by Robert Towne, direction by Roman Polanski, cinematography by John Alonzo, and the superb score by Jerry Goldsmith. There wasn't a weakness in the cast headed by Jack Nicholson and Faye Dunaway. It's hard to believe it was produced for $6 million! Even in '74, that wasn't an overwhelming amount.

You're right about the era. Probably the consistently best noirs were from 1948-1952. By then there were experienced master cinematographers who were expert at creating the moody chiaroscuro lighting that was so characteristic of classic noir. I know film stock kept improving all the way up until the advent of digital, but I'm not sure how much improvements inf films stock affected the settings, although I do think that they were gradually able to get more contrast in very dark lighting as they went along, so the DPs certainly took advantage of that.

From The Big Combo (1955). DP, the great John Alton:
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Have you seen the cyberpunk neo-noir Blade Runner (1982)?

While as so often is the case, the film got optimistic about the pace of technical progress. But just ignore the "2019" year given. You can ignore a lot of the setting as well, a future L.A. where climate tinkering went wrong and those with the means who passed the medical had already left Earth for more habitable colonies. The story is not about that.

This official trailer feels awkward now, but it does capture some of the film's essence in a compacted form. There are also several cuts of the film that ultimately alter things the audience will infer about the ending. Personally I think they got it right in the original theatrical and then broadcast television releases rather than any of Ridley Scott's attempts to push the alternative ending he preferred in multiple re-cuts pushed out later.

 
Have you seen the cyberpunk neo-noir Blade Runner (1982)?

While as so often is the case, the film got optimistic about the pace of technical progress. But just ignore the "2019" year given. You can ignore a lot of the setting as well, a future L.A. where climate tinkering went wrong and those with the means who passed the medical had already left Earth for more habitable colonies. The story is not about that.

This official trailer feels awkward now, but it does capture some of the film's essence in a compacted form. There are also several cuts of the film that ultimately alter things the audience will infer about the ending. Personally I think they got it right in the original theatrical and then broadcast television releases rather than any of Ridley Scott's attempts to push the alternative ending he preferred in multiple re-cuts pushed out later.
Very good picture, although IMO not a noir, although it was very dark and shadowy. I think it was innovative for its time. I loved the Ink Spots' version of "I Didn't Care" in the trailer and film... Great stuff!
 
I too am a huge fan of Chinatown (1974). It's not only the greatest neo-noir, but certainly one of the best noirs ever; and the argument could be made that it's one of the great films from Hollywood. Everything clicked and meshed on that production: the excellent script by Robert Towne, direction by Roman Polanski, cinematography by John Alonzo, and the superb score by Jerry Goldsmith. There wasn't a weakness in the cast headed by Jack Nicholson and Faye Dunaway. It's hard to believe it was produced for $6 million! Even in '74, that wasn't an overwhelming amount.

You're right about the era. Probably the consistently best noirs were from 1948-1952. By then there were experienced master cinematographers who were expert at creating the moody chiaroscuro lighting that was so characteristic of classic noir. I know film stock kept improving all the way up until the advent of digital, but I'm not sure how much improvements inf films stock affected the settings, although I do think that they were gradually able to get more contrast in very dark lighting as they went along, so the DPs certainly took advantage of that.

From The Big Combo (1955). DP, the great John Alton:
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I've seen Chinatown 2x and feel like I could see it another dozen....a great movie. Lately I've been watching some of these b/w film noirs on Prime and loving them.
 
Looking over at my film library, I have a small red sticker on the cases of movies I enjoy watching more than once.
Some that are marked:

Nightmare Alley
Where the Sidewalk Ends
The Blue Gardenia
The Letter
Sweet Smell of Success
 
I've seen Chinatown 2x and feel like I could see it another dozen....a great movie. Lately I've been watching some of these b/w film noirs on Prime and loving them.
I agree. You can also see many of the classic noirs on YouTube. Look for any film directed by Robert Siodmak, or photographed by the great John Alton.

Also you can watch the "Czar of Noir"'s Eddie Muller do his brief intros and outros on TCM's Noir Alley. A great many of them are on YouTube.
 


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