Boston Hospital refuses Heart transplants on Un-vaccinated patients..

hollydolly

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What do you think, do you agree on their policy..? personally I'm astonished that someone as young as 31 would rather die from heart failure than have a vaccine.. but that's just my opinion..

A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.

DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.
“It’s kind of against his basic principles – he doesn’t believe in it,” said David Ferguson, his father. “It’s a policy they are enforcing and so, because he won’t get the shot, they took him off the list [for] a heart transplant.”
Brigham and Women’s explained its reasoning in a statement: “Like many other transplant programs in the United States – the Covid-19 vaccine is one of several vaccines and lifestyle behaviors required for transplant candidates in the Mass General Brigham system in order to create both the best chance for a successful operation and also the patient’s survival a
fter transplantation.”

Other medical experts have declared their support of the hospital’s policy, noting that the immune system is extremely weak after a transplant, making vaccinations all the more important.

“Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off. The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, Covid could kill you,” said Dr Arthur Caplan, the head of medical ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, told CBS Boston.

“The organs are scarce: we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving.”



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/25/heart-transplant-patient-refusing-covid-19-vaccine
 

Pepper

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Brigham & Women's is one of the best hospitals in the country. I agree with them 100%, not only for his own self but especially for the medical personnel cutting open his sorry heart. He's like an alcoholic wanting a liver transplant to get more time with the booze. The vaccination is not worth this; he made his choice to die. At least he's not jumping in front of a train ruining the commute during rush hour.
 

Jeni

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What do you think, do you agree on their policy..? personally I'm astonished that someone as young as 31 would rather die from heart failure than have a vaccine.. but that's just my opinion..

A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/25/heart-transplant-patient-refusing-covid-19-vaccine
We just had the thread on the pig heart transplant maybe he could qualify for that type if they have more genetically altered pig hearts in the pipeline.
It says he refuses to get shot........ i would think if you were that ill they could not give you one if you were to change your mind...

i know they ask if you had symptoms but i was just discussing with a neighbor how many people may have gotten vaccines when they had Covid but either did not know or were A symptomatic ..... her niece just got a shot while in the midst of the illness

So if they say it makes symptoms milder why would they not offer as a Treatment for those already ill?
 

Mandee

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But of course - a heart will be readily available to all those who refused to obey the lockdown rules, who refuse to wear a face mask or social distance and who's only reason was that the rules violated their human rights and their right to freedom.

Time these people got off their high horses and stopped pointing their self righteous fingers at the unvaccinated, many of who'm have far more genuine reasons for their refusal.

It is NOT JUST THE UNVACCINATED TO BLAME FOR THE SPREAD OF COVID !!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 

AnnieA

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Transplants are already limited for factors like smoking, obesity, diabetes control so this is in line with those limitations. I'd personally want a bit of time between vaccination and transplant so the immune system has time to adjust before it's hit with the challenge of a transplant.
 

Rah-Rah

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But of course - a heart will be readily available to all those who refused to obey the lockdown rules, who refuse to wear a face mask or social distance and who's only reason was that the rules violated their human rights and their right to freedom.
I am wondering where you are getting your information from on this. My husband works in a hospital setting as an Anesthesiologist and has told me countless times that ER patients have been escorted out by security and refused treatment because they refused to wear masks while in the building. Whether they are vaccinated or unvaccinated people it did not matter one bit. So everyone has to follow these rules and if someone violates them whether they are vaccinated or not they will be dealt with accordingly within a hospital setting.
 

win231

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But of course - a heart will be readily available to all those who refused to obey the lockdown rules, who refuse to wear a face mask or social distance and who's only reason was that the rules violated their human rights and their right to freedom.

Time these people got off their high horses and stopped pointing their self righteous fingers at the unvaccinated, many of who'm have far more genuine reasons for their refusal.

It is NOT JUST THE UNVACCINATED TO BLAME FOR THE SPREAD OF COVID !!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
^^^ A thinker is the worst threat to a Covid Blame Gamer.
 

win231

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If this story is true, it reminded me of that baseball player - Mickey Mantle who needed a liver transplant due mainly to alcohol abuse.
He had money, so the hospital put him ahead of everyone else on the transplant list.....including children who needed liver transplants through no fault of their own. Some of the children died while waiting. Mantle died soon after the surgery; his health wasn't good enough to benefit from the transplant.
 

Becky1951

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I am wondering where you are getting your information from on this. My husband works in a hospital setting as an Anesthesiologist and has told me countless times that ER patients have been escorted out by security and refused treatment because they refused to wear masks while in the building. Whether they are vaccinated or unvaccinated people it did not matter one bit. So everyone has to follow these rules and if someone violates them whether they are vaccinated or not they will be dealt with accordingly within a hospital setting.
Mandee doesn't mean in a hospital setting only.

People who have refused to wear a mask, or social distance, refused to lockdown during the pandemic.
 

Rah-Rah

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Mandee doesn't mean in a hospital setting only.

People who have refused to wear a mask, or social distance, refused to lockdown during the pandemic.
That can also work both ways as well. I know many vaccinated people who have gotten increasingly frustrated with masks, social distancing, and lock downs during all of this. I think this whole thing is weighing a lot on everyone. For me if I see a person inside a grocery store not wearing a mask and there is a mandate for wearing them indoors, I don't automatically say Oh look at that unvaccinated person not wearing their mask infecting everyone. What I get angry with is the managers of the store not enforcing the policy. I have no clue if the person is vaccinated or unvaccinated.
 

Pepper

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What I get angry with is the managers of the store not enforcing the policy. I have no clue if the person is vaccinated or unvaccinated.
Sarah, the mgrs. have no clue if the maskless person is carrying a weapon and looking for a reason to use it. Some people w/out masks are wanting a response so they can fight and argue and proclaim their freedoms. IOW, Anti-Social.
 

Rah-Rah

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Oh look we're back to name calling.
"Stupid."

This person's opinion doesn't fall in line with yours so therefore he's stupid. :rolleyes:
Becky you are correct here and you know where I stand on this. The person made a decision on their own and they have to live up to that decision. That is the bottom line of this whole thing. The hospital is most likely following protocol to all of this and made their decision.
 

win231

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Oh look we're back to name calling.
"Stupid."

This person's opinion doesn't fall in line with yours so therefore he's stupid. :rolleyes:
Put-down artists have no other way to feel good about themselves.
Funny how they'll complain when someone retaliates. Much like the schoolyard bully who hits a classmate, then when the classmate hits him back, he runs to the teacher crying that "He hit me." 😂
 

Pepper

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Still if the store has a policy it has to be followed and the managers are the ones to make sure it is followed.
I think they are afraid. Since when did store personnel become cops? There is danger. Recently, restaurant people in NYC were physically attacked trying to enforce the mask rule. Perhaps a large store has the means to hire security. I definitely agree with you in principle, it's just that I know too many people these days are not playing with a full deck.
 

Pepper

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Oh look we're back to name calling.
"Stupid."
This person's opinion doesn't fall in line with yours so therefore he's stupid. :rolleyes:
Stick with the OP, and be open minded for this situation only. The way this DJ gets to live is if he gets vaccinated. It's an extraordinary occurrence. What is his life worth to him? He might not be stupid, but he might be.

If he wants to live he must "fall in line." This is emergency medicine, not going to a football game.
 

Don M.

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It would seem to be a waste of a good heart to try to transplant it into a patient which had minimal chances of survival. If being unvaccinated makes such a medical procedure unlikely to succeed, the doctors made the right decision.

Personally, I think that if an unvaccinated person shows up at a hospital, with Covid, they should be given a free bottle of aspirin, and sent on their way.
 


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