Breaking News --- Brexit failed again

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retiredtraveler

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Latest Brexit vote failed. No one knows what will happen from here. The only thing my favorite commentator, Richard Quest, stated is that May is a 'dead woman walking'. Also liked the Monty Python reference he made to the Dead Parrot (some of you might know the reference).
 

Thousands of Brexiteer protesters gathered at Parliament Square to celebrate May's defeat

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be aware there's a foul language on this video from today ....



OH yes leslie...we couldn't be more sick of this, our whole futures are at risk because of this stupid narcissistic stubborn woman...
 
Theresa May will never walk, she will have to be pushed.

Her first mistake was when she called an unnecessary election as soon as she took power and lost her overall majority.

She has dot nothjing right since then.
 
I think we're getting extremely weary of "Brexit". This is a self induced wound. Quite frankly, the UK can't 'blank' or get off the pot. Parliament spent the last few days voting down every proposed solution to the problem. With all sides standing firmly on their own deeply held "principles", there is no room for practicality. Unfortunately, the UK will suffer because of Brexit.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
...... Unfortunately, the UK will suffer because of Brexit.
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You already have. Your economy has suffered. Trade down, housing prices down, devalued currency, more government borrowing, new car registration dropping almost 7%. Surprisingly, wage growth and employment is up. The jury is out on that --- possible that far more contract workers were hired, rather than full time, due to uncertainty.
I sure hope that the entire thing is backed off (I know, my opinion not shared by some of the Brits on the forum).
 
If you're fed up of it in the US think of us poor Europeans!

It is as well to remember that Parliament does not want to leave. Having bottled out and left the decision to the people they now have to do as they are told.

Theresa May voted "Remain" as did most of the Cabinet, and that is where her heart lies.

By making a "remainer"their leader the Conservative Party told the British electorate what they thought of their decision!
 
I live in the USA. Maybe a Brit could answer this question. Brits have always had a fierce nationalistic bent. But I wonder if the current surge in nationalism is due to the fact that between 10-30% of the UK's population does NOT have a UK birth certificate??? This being a direct result of participation in the EU?? This is akin to what bothers some in the US also.
 
I apologize for not knowing as much as maybe I should, but what is the biggest reason why it was defeated. I am aware that this is an economic event, so I am sure that it probably has to do with prices(?).

Anothet question is, if this is such a bad thing, then why was anyone for it?
 
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I'll try.

The reason it keeps getting defeated is, as I said earlier, the people are in favour of it. but Parliament isn't. However, they let the genie out of the bottle with the referendum and now don't know how to get it back in.

They know that any party actually attempts to override the result they face electoral annihilation for at least a generation.


The reason so many voted for a "bad" thing is entirely emotional. The referendum campaign gradually moved away from economic issues to social ones, and became obsessed with immigration.

Why should we be paying child benefit to children living in, and being educated in, Poland? (Any parent living and working here is entitled to social benefits). Certain classes of politicians make great play with thing like that!

Basically Parliament is opposed to the people's will but is terrified of standing up and saying so.
 
How many times can Parliament bring it to a vote? As I understand it, Brexit will stay until April 12, but then what? If it fails again, what exactly does that mean?

As I understand it, this is really about England’s people paying for other country’s bills that are in the EU? Am I correct?
 
Not quite, this affects the whole UK, not just England. The DUP in N.Ireland will oppose Brexit on principle even if they agree with it, the SNP in Scotland are always ready to cut off their noses to spite their faces and the Welsh don't seem to say much.
 
oldman said:
How many times can Parliament bring it to a vote? As I understand it, Brexit will stay until April 12, but then what? If it fails again, what exactly does that mean?

As I understand it, this is really about England’s people paying for other country’s bills that are in the EU? Am I

correct?
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"How many times can Parliament bring it to a vote? "

However many times the EU lets them. They should have slung us out on the 29th. It's not just British politicians who lack resolution.


"As I understand it, this is really about England’s people paying for other country’s bills that are in the EU?"

A popular fallacy made much of by some politicians. As has been said, Scotland's, Wales's and Northern Ireland's peoples also pay these bills. However, that is not an EU policy but a British one, fostered by our liberal social reformers. Do you think all the British ex-pats in Spain get all the Spanish benefits?

Most of our immigrants come from France. The thousands in the camps around Calais are not coming to the UK to escape a repressive regime but to get the free handouts we give them. A few years ago we had an application, granted, from a woman in Canada, not exactly notorious for human rights abuses!

I know you have your own problems with immigrants, but here they are met by registered charities and given help with housing, unemployment allowance, child benefit, rent allowance and other things whether they come from Libya or Lithuania.

That is not EU policy but British.j

People think that if we leave the EU it will stop. It won't.
 
Thanks to all for educating me. I think I get it now. It’s very similar to what we here in the U.S. are going through with trying to protect our borders and still, we are paying out the gazoo billions of dollars to the already millions of illegals that are here.

I know it’s tough to try to be sympathetic towards others while still wanting to help those that need help and/or a better life. However, is it fair for the people that did come here legally and the true citizens (those people who have family that have been here for generations) of a country to have to pay out (more like hand out) more and more each year?

It’s really a Catch-22 situation. Basically, damned if you do and damned if you don’t. For me, at least, I am neutral on this issue. I want to help and be sympathetic, but also to do what’s practical and makes the most sense. It’s not an easy issue to resolve. Here in the U.S., I would imagine that our congress will decide for us and some will like the outcome and others won’t.
 

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