Comments in the Surgical Mask versus N95 Debate

David777

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Just received the N95 mask order from Amazon:

N95 Face Mask, 30 Pack NIOSH Certified N95 Disposable Respirator 5-Ply Safety Breathable Face Masks, Filter Efficiency 95%, Adjustable Comfortable Protection, Against PM2.5 Dust for Adult, Men, Women $19.99 ($0.67 each)

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On November 2022 ordered a 10 pack of the same product for $9.99 ($1.00 each), so knew from experience they fit very well on my own face/head a key element of effectiveness. Now 3.7 years after the pandemic began, there are still debates by experts on what to do going forward and much emotional discussion by ordinary people without the ability to make adequate science based analysis, that tend to latch onto limited information that supports their own preferences.

When the pandemic began, I manually made masks before any pandemic guidelines had been published or mandated, because as a science oriented reader including technical medical science, wearing a mask to inhibited respiratory airborne viruses was common sense I didn't need to have some authority or expert make a case to do. Our county, Santa Clara was the first in the nation to submit recommendations that were later mostly copied across the nation. They did so because the SFBA is a leading urban area for medical science and teaching.

I was not an advocate for some of the guidelines because they tended to be dumbed down so as to be understandable by lowest common denominator of general population audiences. For instance, the 6 foot passing others distance policy nonsense even in outdoors in breezy conditions standing up wind. As soon as KN95 masks became available in 2020 I bought some.
That noted, I haven't been wearing any masks for almost 2 years until occasionally recently. Infection rates, hospitalization rates, and death rates are quite low now.
In most places no one has been wearing masks over the last couple years without negative effects. But now in the winter head cold and flu season that is changing so my Kaiser Permanente has moved back to wearing surgical masks that are provided at all facility entrances. So may do so within buildings depending on circumstance especially if others are coughing sneezing. I who absolutely hate even catching a rhinovirus head cold, have rarely been sick over decades even when working in huge labs and offices where there were often lots of people working while ill, and that is not because I am particularly immune but because I better understand infection mechanisms for my own body.

The following cdc dot gov page from February 2024 involved a discussion whether those flimsy blue/white cheap surgical masks ought to be continued to be recommended where masks are either mandatory or recommended or instead N95 masks, especially within hospital settings. It includes a long list of comments from all parts of the argument some extreme from both sides with most comments nearer the center, that is a valuable read for those trying to understand how different groups look at the issue. Note the TC expert responses to the comments.

A CDC Update on the Part One Draft update to the Guideline for Isolation Precautions: Preventing Transmission of Infectious Agents in Healthcare Settings | Blogs | CDC
 

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To actually read the comments regardless of perspective, should result in more wisdom and effective use of proper terminology in addressing such a controversial issue. I disagree with at least parts of most of the comments and could easily pick apart the way they present their brief views my logic and debate professor would be laughing at. Particularly lots of statements without using relative terms.

In starting this thread, I am aware it will attract a few of the most emotional anti-mask members of our community that one can expect won't read the above link even if they claim they did in order to post usual anti-mask links and commentary. In fact some, won't read more than the title and assume they know what the thread is about as they probably rarely read most posts more than a sentence long due to lack of patience.

Most will do so while stating those that disagrees with their narrative are science ignorant and foolish despite the fact they likely probably don't even know what a cell biology ligand is. Well until they just looked that up online and claim they always knew whatever. They do so because they prefer others to believe they ought be listened to as one's with more knowledge and authority. They will project a sense of being annoyingly dismayed how any others can think that way expecting others should by common sense feel dismayed too.

They will post out of context terse segments of comments that when posed so, are more easily attacked standalone. And will of course, bait others to jump into their cat turd under the sand surface sand box, where they prefer to debate from. But just ignore such as that is part of the troll bag of tricks along with emotionally outraged denial and sock puppets.

What they post will predictably offer zero supporting situations where mask wearing might have purpose and value and rather condemn any in black and white matters. Their smallish thinking interpersonal intellect is afraid that if they add even the smallest exceptions to their points of view, it will impact their audience against how they want them to think. Note, this is often the black and white manipulative way active trolls think and argue too. So part of the reason I am posting this admittedly controversial subject is not about masking but so the community can watch a few of them jump in regardless of reading I am gaming them to do so.

In any case the prime reason for posting is so members can read the range of different perspectives and thus gain wisdom.
 
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@David777 , a timely post indeed, as the cold and flu(and now Covid) season has arrived. I have been buying N95 masks regularly for years to limit my exposure to allergens when doing weed abatement on my property. When the Covid guidelines showed up I was already ready. Some 3M masks I had bought are uncomfortable, having 2 rubber bands that are a tad tight. I put them aside as fallback spares, and bought these, which are way more comfortable: Crosstex GPRN95 Isolator Plus Particulate Respirator.

I have a doc appt. at Kaiser on the 4th, if they're handing out those free blue masks I'll take one. ;)
 

I don't know, a mask is a mask, to me, no matter,
where it was made or what spec it was made to,
does it make a difference to the public, in public,
the N95 one I thought was for Health Workers, as
they are in contact with transmittable disease, daily,
or am I mistaken?

Mike.
 
Those N95 are the ones we had to wear at work during the pandemic.

The ordinary blue ones or re usable cloth ones were ok for most situations though - and obviously not as costly.
 
I have the N95’s. I keep one on the car just in case.

I should use them at the barn when I know I will be stirring up mold dust. “should” being the operative because I never remember until It’s too late 🤧🤧
 
I have the N95’s. I keep one on the car just in case.

I should use them at the barn when I know I will be stirring up mold dust. “should” being the operative because I never remember until It’s too late 🤧🤧
Why @Imogene , for $10 at a buck a mask, you receive 10 of them, enough to last a couple years that you could glue few of the 10 in a zip seal plastic bag, to the barn wall entrance and not have to smell whatever much anymore. Use a black marker to number them so you might rotate between use. And put the rest in your car and house.

https://www.amazon.com/Benehal-Niosh-Approved-Face-Masks/dp/B09FLJXX5L/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
 
I always used my cloth mask that had two layers and two layers of filter paper in between, so four layers, during covid. But I sure wished I'd brought it with me today when we went to the Christmas parade because it was so darn cold! I'd forgotten how warm in winter my face was with it so I'm going to have to dig it back out for the rest of winter.
 
Those masks caused me to sneeze when I put them on after about 10 minutes.
A few Blacks still wear them here. It is a relief to not have to now. I used to wear welding
masks a lot. They have a valve and are a lot better.
 
Surgical masks are very uncomfortable for me...it's like I'm breathing in mask! My DIL knew I love orange and she even got me some that were peace on one side, orange on the other...couldn't wear them. I'm glad I found the N95s on Amazon. I ordered them in white, navy, and a box that had gray, black and cranberry. I ordered another set in pale yellow and they not as sturdy as the other ones. I'll have to be careful when it's time to order again; there are so many mask sellers and some claims about quality aren't true. I still have several of each pack left from a couple of years ago though.
 
Why @Imogene , for $10 at a buck a mask, you receive 10 of them, enough to last a couple years that you could glue few of the 10 in a zip seal plastic bag, to the barn wall entrance and not have to smell whatever much anymore. Use a black marker to number them so you might rotate between use. And put the rest in your car and house.

https://www.amazon.com/Benehal-Niosh-Approved-Face-Masks/dp/B09FLJXX5L/ref=sr_1_1_sspa

I DO have two in a container in the barn, lol. I’m pretty sure I forget be cause I want to forget.🫣🫣
 
In a hospital setting the N95 is fit tested to the individual. They are meant to be worn tight…so they actually do the job of filtering the air. They are most often used when taking care of patients with things like tuberculosis. The regular surgical mask also will filter…when worn correctly.
 
Per @Muskrat 's input, with a tiny bit of glue gun craft glue wisely applied, one can usually improve on mask closure if an N95 doesn't quite fit optimally, especially about the chin space.
 
I replenished my KN95 stash fairly recently but haven't needed them lately. Another spike of Covid, influenza or other virus is surely a-coming. When it arrives I don't want to be scrambling for supplies.

A mask in a plastic baggie lives in my purse. DH & I also keep some in our vehicles.

Fortunately (more like intentionally), I live in a diverse area where people live-and-let-live. No second looks at those wearing masks or those who aren't. There's a fairly large Asian population here, so public masking has been commonly seen for decades.

p.s. It's true KN95s aren't quite as effective as N95s, but they're only good if you're willing to wear them. The fixed size of N95's back elastics is so uncomfortable that I'm more apt to skip them.

I use the below with the KN95s - it's a game changer - takes the stress off the backs of my ears.

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