Enough to make you gag....

Look. I'll be the first to admit that I have been left behind in many ways. I still like The Frank Sinatra, Dick Haymes, Dean Martin kind of music, I hate rap, heavy metal and all even close. I like the kind of music where you held your lady close and could whisper in her ear as you danced. I remember the respect for FDR by the press who never filmed him in his wheel chair, always waited till he was supported at the podium before filming. There was no paparazzi chasing around like idiots and making asses of themselves in trying to catch a celeb making a mistake. In those and other ways I guess I am old fashioned but I still think we can and should strive to be better. Ok off my soap box.
 
Hey guys! Does anybody else remember when our parents were talking this way about the Beatles when they were so popular, fifty years ago?! WE have Eric Clapton; These kids have Justin Bieber! I'd say we have every right to be a bit disparaging. The world is for the exclusive use of the young and our turn has passed. NOW it's our turn to sneer, so get crackin'!
 
AZ Jim said:
April, I cannot stand the arrogant ass. No love for him from me. For YOU, yes.
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We can't all appreciate his musical talent, I still have love for the lot of you in spite of all of yous bad taste. :D Really, as you can see, this isn't a serious thing for me. I adore the man's musical talents, not for most old people, but for old people like me and many others, we can enjoy his talent just as some people seem to appreciate the talents of some of the worst of the worse human beings still roaming this earth. I don't care for his personality, but, I look forward to his work and his getting under people's skin in the future from here on. :giggle:
 
It's not nice to tease old guys April, especially friends of yours. Keep it up I'll sic the law on you for "elder abuse".;)
 
truespock said:
Hey guys! Does anybody else remember when our parents were talking this way about the Beatles when they were so popular, fifty years ago?! WE have Eric Clapton; These kids have Justin Bieber! I'd say we have every right to be a bit disparaging. The world is for the exclusive use of the young and our turn has passed. NOW it's our turn to sneer, so get crackin'!
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I must be older than you because my folks didn't like Johnny Otis, Little Richard, Elvis and others of the time.
 
AZ Jim said:
So what? West is on the very first cover. It is an insult to every other of the 100 except Kim Kardashian who is his wife and a porn object. I have zero respect for the staffers who picked those two.
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Then the question moves on to "Will you watch a film-maker's excellent movies or listen to his fine quality music, even if he is an abhorrent human being? Some people will not watch Woody Allen's movies now that he is alleged to have done some bad things. It's a non-issue for me because I don't like Kanye West nor his music.

Can you separate a performer's art from the person? Some people can and some people cannot, or will not.
 
Cookie said:
Then the question moves on to "Will you watch a film-maker's excellent movies or listen to his fine quality music, even if he is an abhorrent human being? Some people will not watch Woody Allen's movies now that he is alleged to have done some bad things. It's a non-issue for me because I don't like Kanye West nor his music.

Can you separate a performer's art from the person? Some people can and some people cannot, or will not.
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Nope, the package is what I rate. Example: I used to like Tom Cruise but now when I see him listed in a movie, it off the view list. Same with Clint Eastwood who I watch since his days in the Virginian, now I won't watch him. Another was Charlton Heston now deceased.
 
I will watch Woody Allen movies, even though I don't like him as a person. I think I can separate his art from the man. I draw the line at dictators, murderers and rapists. It's not clear to me whether Woody Allen is actually guilty of the allegations against him. But no more Cosby TV re-runs for me.
 
ndynt said:
In my humble opinion, the talent he may have, his accomplishments and tenacity are all negated with his arrogance and rudeness. I truly hope he is not influencing our youth.
I am sure there are others more qualified. Like I said earlier...why not someone like Pharell Williams instead. He has helped many other performers, writing their music, all low key. His music and his clothing line, his involvement with young people, his doing things like he did for the United Nations International Happiness Day....all greater accomplishments for someone so young. I am sure there are many like him. Is not someone of his calibermore influential? Affecting more lives. I am thoroughly disappointed in Time and it's staff.
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Huh, why not, Mclemore of maybe Justin Timberlake?




Sweet Pharrell One happy song everyone loves and he wins the hearts and souls of all


I do love this song Pharellie had a hand in writing and got sued for, but, don't see him being any more better choice.

 
Cookie said:
Then the question moves on to "Will you watch a film-maker's excellent movies or listen to his fine quality music, even if he is an abhorrent human being? Some people will not watch Woody Allen's movies now that he is alleged to have done some bad things. It's a non-issue for me because I don't like Kanye West nor his music.

Can you separate a performer's art from the person? Some people can and some people cannot, or will not.
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Woody Allen considered a child molester by some, no comparison, there are some lines, I wouldn't cross and some people's material, I wouldn't listen to or watch if I found to to be in such categories. If we all stopped watching and listening to music based on personalities nothing would get made, now for certain types of acts that cross certain lines, that's a completely different story and is up to each individual as to where they draw that line.
 
ndynt said:
Williams was just an example...like I said there are others that are better examples for younger people to emulate. Just used him as an example, for I knew a little more about him.
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Really in the end, not sure many young people care one way or the other who is on the cover, it was all just a bit of fun for me, but, I can see, some are quite serious about the matter, so, unless you all want me to just keep adding videos I enjoy,(which, I'm more than happy to do, I so do enjoy the music videos,) it's probably best I leave this up to those this all really trying to have a serious discussion on the matter. Kids will never hold up the people as those seniors think are more deserving by how we rank them as it has been as it shall always be, the media isn't even anywhere near what it used to be, so, I don't really use them as a gauge either..

I will say, the kids and for that matter adults I know who listen to his music are doing quite well in how they conduct their lives and can understand how to separate the art from the nonsense and how it doesn't affect their life choices in the least.

Now if anyone wants me to post more videos, you know where to find me, otherwise, I've no more use for the subject that is Kanye. I hope that doesn't sound arrogant. :D
 
Personalities are very relevant in my opinion. If I find a performer too obnoxious, it can really turn me off his music. But also a lot has to do with how much I like the artform. Sometimes one trumps the other. On the other hand if a performer does some really nasty stuff on stage and behaves too inappropriately I might suspect he might have a DSM IV diagnosis (psychiatric illness) or is on drugs, in which case that will affect my opinion of him and his art. Most artists and performers are reasonably nice people who are considerate of others and don't behave badly. Justin Bieber gets into a lot of trouble, but I think he has some emotional/mental problems and is on drugs.
 
AZ Jim said:
Look. I'll be the first to admit that I have been left behind in many ways. I still like The Frank Sinatra, Dick Haymes, Dean Martin kind of music, I hate rap, heavy metal and all even close. I like the kind of music where you held your lady close and could whisper in her ear as you danced. I remember the respect for FDR by the press who never filmed him in his wheel chair, always waited till he was supported at the podium before filming. There was no paparazzi chasing around like idiots and making asses of themselves in trying to catch a celeb making a mistake. In those and other ways I guess I am old fashioned but I still think we can and should strive to be better. Ok off my soap box.
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I'm with you all the way, AZ. I go on You Tube, and bring up the music that they played during WWII. Of course the circumstances affected the music. Lovers, and husbands and wives parting, perhaps for the last time. The lyrics are ever so much more human. The words are sung clearly and lovingly. Looking at the comments under each, I saw quite a few from teen agers, loving the music, and bemoaning what they are stuck with today. Certainly, its always a generational thing, but one of my fondest memories was listening to my young teen age son singing John Denver in his room while playing his folk guitar. Then he bought an electric guitar and moved on to Alice Cooper. Ah well. I still love him.
 
AprilT said:
Nor did I, just one person made mention of anything even closely related by bringing in the comment of the choice being motivated by political correctness and all I did was ask what was meant by that comment, I never once even implied it when having the discussion with others and the thought of race never once crossed my mind that is until it was mentioned and I just wanted to understand why political correctness came up. All the alternate choices were what? So, I:dunno: Hope I'm not the one seeming to be the one to broach the subject when I never did, I simply asked for clarification on a question that seemed odd to me, even if me only.
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Sometimes I think that political correctness has been a two edged sword and we've become over sensitized to where we're afraid to say anything.

As for why the political correctness came up, well I was just responding to Jim's concern that somebody had misunderstood something he said......but April, you're not going to ask me to trace this all back are you? Please, please, please no don't ask me to do that, I'm feeling altogether too mentally lazy right now and I just couldn't bear it. It was SUNNY TODAY finally and I was outside moving shrubs around and now I'm pooped. Too pooped to want to focus that hard. Hmmm, maybe I'll go and waste some time with Pinterest after this. Even less thinking required there.

Anyway, hope you're having a nice day.
 
I think this was meant to be a serious comment(the thread) but done in a light hearted way, however it seems to have been a bit of a lead balloon,:( not sure why.
We live in an age of non-celebrity dressed up as celebrity. when the word celebrity used to be used, most of us had at least heard of the person!Now all these people are wheeled on as celebrities and we have no clue who they are, mostly famous for being famous.
 
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