EVs exploding starting fires after Helene

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Many EVs that were caught by the rising flood waters of Hurricane Helene exploded and caught fire. Some homes caught fire when EVs that were parked in garages caught the homes on fire.
I don’t know how much water it takes to make a bomb out of an EV but I don’t ever intend to find out.
Authorities warn people who own EVs to keep them a safe distance from structures.
EVs give off noxious fumes while burning
and dangerous chemicals can be spread by run off water from attempting to put out EV fires.
 

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This has been an issue and showed up in other hurricane/flood zones. Once ev fires get started they're tough to put out. In a flood they're even harder.

I thought they started putting in kill switches to completely turn off the electronics/circuit. An active battery helps keep the fires burning.
 
Many EVs that were caught by the rising flood waters of Hurricane Helene exploded and caught fire. Some homes caught fire when EVs that were parked in garages caught the homes on fire.
I don’t know how much water it takes to make a bomb out of an EV but I don’t ever intend to find out.
Authorities warn people who own EVs to keep them a safe distance from structures.
EVs give off noxious fumes while burning
and dangerous chemicals can be spread by run off water from attempting to put out EV fires.
Where I live, the danger isn't flood but forest wildfire. Still, I find this information about the EV danger in flood situations concerning, if only because a certain segment of the Canadian population is investing in EVs during this early stage of the technology's development. I wonder if particular makes & models are more prone to this sort of fire or explosive situation. Have you got any info on that?

The only EV nearby to me is one of two vehicles owned by friends a five minute walk from our home. It's a Nissan Leaf. I don't believe our neighbors ever park for long anywhere that flood could occur.
 
The problem has been overstated but it is a real concern. But we're actually talking about 3rd generation EVs. The 1st was back in the 1990s, with low-volume EVs from GM, Toyota, and Honda.

The problems seem intractable, and water ingress isn't even the worst of it. There have been far more problems due to minor damage to battery packs, almost inevitable because they are so large they must be underslung nearly unprotected from rocks, tree limbs, gravel, etc. Apologists are hoping "solid state" batteries less likely to catch fire are someday perfected with adequate capacity at affordable costs. Sadly we've heard this for over 5 years and still nothing is in the field.

It isn't just salt water, any water intrusion is problematic since the batteries already contain electrolyte.
 
I think we're in the first generation of EVs. It's like when the fist gas powered cars were invented. Of course, we could have still drove horses for the next 50 or so years till they somewhat perfected gas cars, or used what they had.
Never one to look technology in the face and say, "No effin' way, EVER, you schmuck!" I think that horses were definitely OK while they lasted.

After all, they were tired. Without the rubber on their wheels. And there was the perpetual problem of their deposits on the street. (The dump bags weren't cutting it.)
 
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Funny thing is...they had ev is the early 1900's. Videos are there on youtube, rumble, etc. The earliest evs had a huge range, compared to today. Standard typical saltwater batteries or good old fashioned acid batteries. Both got 3 or 4 times the range of todays evs. Also, never have I ever read or seen a old style typical battery catch fire and/or explode no matter what the reason. Especially water!

My uncle has a popular mechanics magazine in his collection that had a really good article about technology and how the big corporations hide it from us and release it slowly to maximize profits.

Profits over people! Lol!

Anyway the article was in Toronto where a man bought a cadillac for his wife. Only after many many days the gas gauge barely moved. Then another week it was at lower but not where it should be. Concerned there was something wrong with the gauge he took it back to the dealer to have it looked at. After checking it and testing it, nothing was wrong. Except 1 thing. It was accidentally sold. It was a testing vehicle that somehow ended up in a showroom.

The car, like almost all cars of that time had 5L V-8's, and you know those cars weight 10 tons (Lol), yet it was getting 100 milers per gallon. 107 was the exact number.

The dealer offered the the man a deal, exchange the car and they would give him a new caddy every 5 years for life. It had to be a deal because there was a legimate bill of sale matching the description, registration. So even though it was a tester, it was sold and legally they could not take it back. The man took the deal.

It is just another example of big corps screwing over us little people. They have been doing it with cars, electronics, electricity, water, etc, etc, etc.
 
Many EVs that were caught by the rising flood waters of Hurricane Helene exploded and caught fire. Some homes caught fire when EVs that were parked in garages caught the homes on fire.
I don’t know how much water it takes to make a bomb out of an EV but I don’t ever intend to find out.
Authorities warn people who own EVs to keep them a safe distance from structures.
EVs give off noxious fumes while burning
and dangerous chemicals can be spread by run off water from attempting to put out EV fires.
I think they're dangerous too and I really do not want one. I hope this ridiculous agenda falls apart before it becomes mandatory.
 
Funny thing is...they had ev is the early 1900's. Videos are there on youtube, rumble, etc. The earliest evs had a huge range, compared to today. Standard typical saltwater batteries or good old fashioned acid batteries. Both got 3 or 4 times the range of todays evs. Also, never have I ever read or seen a old style typical battery catch fire and/or explode no matter what the reason. Especially water!
1900s electric vehicles <--
2' video showing 1/3 of early cars were electric, plus Stanley Meyer's 1980 invention of a water
fuel cell car that split water into hydrogen and oxygen. However his invention was sadly silenced.
7' interview with Stanley Meyer <--
Looking up"Stanley Meyer" on Rumble shows more videos about him and his water powered car invention.
 
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I worry about this with our local small town volunteer fire departments and first responders.

They just don’t have the resources and training to go up against some of these high tech situations.

I’m not sure that I would want someone I care about to roll out and tackle some of these things on a volunteer basis.
 
They said lithium battery fires in general are a problem. 64 lithium battery fires after Helene with 17 of them being related to EVs. Other battery fires included golf carts, scooters and hoverboards. Also an electric wheelchair caught fire.

MSN

50,000 evs and hybrids registered in Florida and/or Milton's path/coastal areas.
 
Interesting how scenarios played out for this household with both a BEV and an HEV. The BEV can quickly turn into a useless "stone" (see the end). The HEV can act as a limited emergency generator with some additions that most don't offer built in.

Post Helene Prius Power Pt1

Post Helene Prius Power Pt2 (Lessons Learned)

Note that this guy had done a lot of prep ahead of time in terms of doodads needed to make this (a.) possible and (b.) even halfway practical.
 
The new solid state batteries are much more stable and less prone to fires.
If we repeat this often enough, who knows? It might become true!

Turns out, you can't get them. Mainstream vehicles based on them don't actually exist yet:

https://insideevs.com/features/738508/high-silicon-anode-solid-state/
Despite the best efforts of SSB developers, dendrites still form in solid-state cells. That’s how they die. This currently limits them to hundreds of cycles as opposed to the thousands expected of many conventional lithium chemistries. They are improving constantly, but conservative automakers may hesitate to hop on the bandwagon.

It might happen, but it won't be next year... or the next.
 
No problem for me! I'll be driving my "good ole" 4 cylinder gas powered Ford until I die!
 


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