"Experts" Make Excuses For Vaccine Not Working

I read about this in the Washington Post. I have been vaccinated but have to agree that it is amazing that 8 out of 50 got Covid after being vaccinated and they say that means the vaccine is working??? What a way to twist things.
 

Jeweltea said:
I read about this in the Washington Post. I have been vaccinated but have to agree that it is amazing that 8 out of 50 got Covid after being vaccinated and they say that means the vaccine is working??? What a way to twist things.
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They got infected, but didn't get sick with Covid, as per the primary goal of the vaccine. Not that people won't catch it, but that they would be exceedingly unlikely to die or get hospital-level ill with it.

The US has lost 585,000 to this virus. Four months ago, when vaccines were just rolling out to the general public, we were losing 4400 Americans per day. We're now in the 725 daily death range, so it appears the vaccine is making serious progress.

Nearly all asymptomatic Covid cases are being picked up in situations where regular testing is required regardless of vaccine status or symptoms. Otherwise these cases would slide right under the radar. Of my six children/children-in-law, five work in occupations requiring weekly Covid tests regardless of symptom and vaccine status.

Your comment did inspire a larger vaccine question: after being vaccinated for all kinds of viruses did people still "catch" them? Perhaps they were asymptomatic so the virus presence wasn't noticed. Most contagious viruses like polio, chicken pox, mumps, measles, rubella, diphtheria, etc., were always detected and diagnosed by symptoms rather than by blood or other tests.

I found the answer here:
https://www.sciencealert.com/few-va...here-s-why-that-s-not-a-problem-with-covid-19

A short quote from the article:

"In an ideal world, all vaccines would induce sterilising immunity. In reality, it is actually extremely difficult to produce vaccines that stop virus infection altogether. Most vaccines that are in routine use today do not achieve this.

For example, vaccines targeting rotavirus, a common cause of diarrhoea in infants, are only capable of preventing severe disease. But this has still proven invaluable in controlling the virus. In the US, there has been almost 90 percent fewer cases of rotavirus-associated hospital visits since the vaccine was introduced in 2006. A similar situation occurs with the current poliovirus vaccines, yet there is hope this virus could be eradicated globally."
 
I read somewhere a good while back that the vaccine does not prevent you from getting covid but should significantly lessen the symptoms. I can't remember the source, as I skim so many. The same article also suggested the "experts" were setting the wrong expectations.
 
JonDouglas said:
I read somewhere a good while back that the vaccine does not prevent you from getting covid but should significantly lessen the symptoms. I can't remember the source, as I skim so many. The same article also suggested the "experts" were setting the wrong expectations.
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Since they want everyone vaccinated, they have to say something good about the vaccine.
Enter: "Uh...well....it won't prevent Covid &....uh....it won't prevent transmission, but.....uh......you won't get as sick."
Same as when people started losing interest in the flu shot.
 
win231 said:
Since they want everyone vaccinated, they have to say something good about the vaccine.
Enter: "Uh...well....it won't prevent Covid &....uh....it won't prevent transmission, but.....uh......you won't get as sick."
Same as when people started losing interest in the flu shot.
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Yes. I remember the author stating that the purpose of the vaccine was to "defang" covid's effects but that it wouldn't kill it. Other than all they hype, hoopla and creative counting, this whole thing looks like just another flu variant, perhaps a little more virulent but the CDC has screwed with the statistics so much it's hard to tell. I am of the opinion that the administration's sudden switch on masking was the result of some poor (for them) polling. The same could happen on vaccinations if/when the public finds it doesn't stop this flu strain.
 
I think so too Jon. That move came from the top, not the CDC
JonDouglas said:
Yes. I remember the author stating that the purpose of the vaccine was to "defang" covid's effects but that it wouldn't kill it. Other than all they hype, hoopla and creative counting, this whole thing looks like just another flu variant, perhaps a little more virulent but the CDC has screwed with the statistics so much it's hard to tell. I am of the opinion that the administration's sudden switch on masking was the result of some poor (for them) polling. The same could happen on vaccinations if/when the public finds it doesn't stop this flu strain.
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I think so to Jon. This sounds more like a directive from the top than a directive from the CDC. It's always been political. Right from the start.
 
StarSong said:
They got infected, but didn't get sick with Covid, as per the primary goal of the vaccine. Not that people won't catch it, but that they would be exceedingly unlikely to die or get hospital-level ill with it.

The US has lost 585,000 to this virus. Four months ago, when vaccines were just rolling out to the general public, we were losing 4400 Americans per day. We're now in the 725 daily death range, so it appears the vaccine is making serious progress.

Nearly all asymptomatic Covid cases are being picked up in situations where regular testing is required regardless of vaccine status or symptoms. Otherwise these cases would slide right under the radar. Of my six children/children-in-law, five work in occupations requiring weekly Covid tests regardless of symptom and vaccine status.

Your comment did inspire a larger vaccine question: after being vaccinated for all kinds of viruses did people still "catch" them? Perhaps they were asymptomatic so the virus presence wasn't noticed. Most contagious viruses like polio, chicken pox, mumps, measles, rubella, diphtheria, etc., were always detected and diagnosed by symptoms rather than by blood or other tests.

I found the answer here:
https://www.sciencealert.com/few-va...here-s-why-that-s-not-a-problem-with-covid-19

A short quote from the article:

"In an ideal world, all vaccines would induce sterilising immunity. In reality, it is actually extremely difficult to produce vaccines that stop virus infection altogether. Most vaccines that are in routine use today do not achieve this.

For example, vaccines targeting rotavirus, a common cause of diarrhoea in infants, are only capable of preventing severe disease. But this has still proven invaluable in controlling the virus. In the US, there has been almost 90 percent fewer cases of rotavirus-associated hospital visits since the vaccine was introduced in 2006. A similar situation occurs with the current poliovirus vaccines, yet there is hope this virus could be eradicated globally."
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The only virus that has been completely stopped by a vaccine is smallpox. All of the rest are sadly still here. But thanks to modern science and medicine, we don't get sick from them. Covid will probably take the same path, unless there is a new variant that is impervious to the vaccine.

Some people are pathologically afraid of the vaccine. Some are pathologically afraid of the virus (won't even leave their homes now, fully masked and vaccinated). Some are politically motivated. This forum demonstrates all of the above.
 
There are people who don't want to give up their power and influence, and they tend to downplay the vaccine or overly stress possible but not very probably problems with it. That's human nature.

These vaccines are wonderfully successful against the virus they were designed for and, from what I have read, all the variants so far. Sure, they are not perfect, but there is a saying "Never let the perfect, become the enemy of the good."
 
I think most of us who were paying attention knew from the start that getting a COVID-19 vaccination would not completely protect your from getting the virus, but it would greatly reduce the severity if you did. For example, you wouldn't need to be rushed to a hospital, spend time there, possibly be hooked up to a ventilator and may die there from the coronavirus infection. By the way, not everyone who gets an annual flu vaccine is free of the flu each and every year. We have a friend who gets them religiously, and there have been times where he told us he was sick with the flu.

This pandemic which caused so many deaths in the United States and throughout the world was cause by a new coronavirus. The vaccines which were created to treat this new coronavirus are new vaccines. We have not had to deal with any pandemic like this in recent years. We, including the experts, are all still observing and learning about the virus and the effects of the vaccines. This is all normal, no secret conspiracy about somebody hiding facts or details for nefarious reasons, that is nonsense, absurd.

If all Americans acted like reasonable and considerate adults and took the vaccine when available to them, we would be in much better shape in the fight of this virus than we are today. But a lot of people are still whining about it and refuse to do the right thing, we all suffer as a nation for it.

I received my two Moderna vaccinations already, and my husband has taken the Johnson&Johnson vaccination.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I think most of us who were paying attention knew from the start that getting a COVID-19 vaccination would not completely protect your from getting the virus, but it would greatly reduce the severity if you did. For example, you wouldn't need to be rushed to a hospital, spend time there, possibly be hooked up to a ventilator and may die there from the coronavirus infection. By the way, not everyone who gets an annual flu vaccine is free of the flu each and every year. We have a friend who gets them religiously, and there have been times where he told us he was sick with the flu.

This pandemic which caused so many deaths in the United States and throughout the world was cause by a new coronavirus. The vaccines which were created to treat this new coronavirus are new vaccines. We have not had to deal with any pandemic like this in recent years. We, including the experts, are all still observing and learning about the virus and the effects of the vaccines. This is all normal, no secret conspiracy about somebody hiding facts or details for nefarious reasons, that is nonsense, absurd.

If all Americans acted like reasonable and considerate adults and took the vaccine when available to them, we would be in much better shape in the fight of this virus than we are today. But a lot of people are still whining about it and refuse to do the right thing, we all suffer as a nation for it.

I received my two Moderna vaccinations already, and my husband has taken the Johnson&Johnson vaccination.
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When you say "If all Americans acted like reasonable and considerate adults and took the vaccine," you are implying that those who don't take the vaccine are not reasonable and considerate. That's where you are mistaken (besides being a controller) and seeking the confidence you lack in the vaccine by convincing others to do as you do. If you thought your vaccine protected you, it wouldn't matter whether others were vaccinated.

And, when you mentioned "Reasonable and Considerate Adults," you left out "Intelligent and Thinking Adults" who don't robotically believe everything they're told. Thinking things through before making an important health decision is not "Whining."
But complaining about others who don't copy you is whining.
 
win231 said:
When you say "If all Americans acted like reasonable and considerate adults and took the vaccine," you are implying that those who don't take the vaccine are not reasonable and considerate. That's where you are mistaken (besides being a controller) and seeking the confidence you lack in the vaccine by convincing others to do as you do. If you thought your vaccine protected you, it wouldn't matter whether others were vaccinated.

And, when you mentioned "Reasonable and Considerate Adults," you left out "Intelligent and Thinking Adults" who don't robotically believe everything they're told. Thinking things through before making an important health decision is not "Whining."
But complaining about others who don't copy you is whining.
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I don't ever try to "convince" anybody of anything, if you don't agree with me fine, just don't make ridiculous allegations. I don't care if you or the others don't take the vaccine personally, your loss. I do care about the negative effect on our country and I will certainly exercise my right to voice my own opinion. Still, I don't look to push my beliefs on anyone, never have. Seeing how defensive you are, I touched a nerve, you should think about that. ;) By the way, constantly complaining about the vaccines and exaggerating about 'excuses' made by experts is whining. :)
 
The statistics show that the vaccine is very clearly working. Just a look at the graphs tells the whole story, As the "vaccinated" line goes up, the "deaths" line goes down. I have never seen anything so clearly spelled out for us all to see.

Except those who do not want to see it, for whatever reason, will close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears. And it is not only their loss, it's all of our loss. The longer it takes to get this country to the point of herd immunity, the longer businesses will be failing, masks will have to be worn by everybody, etc. The stubborn holdouts are damaging us all, mostly themselves, of course. A tragic commentary.
 
Sunny said:
The statistics show that the vaccine is very clearly working. Just a look at the graphs tells the whole story, As the "vaccinated" line goes up, the "deaths" line goes down. I have never seen anything so clearly spelled out for us all to see.

Except those who do not want to see it, for whatever reason, will close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears. And it is not only their loss, it's all of our loss. The longer it takes to get this country to the point of herd immunity, the longer businesses will be failing, masks will have to be worn by everybody, etc. The stubborn holdouts are damaging us all, mostly themselves, of course. A tragic commentary.
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^^^ Scapegoatting at its best.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I don't ever try to "convince" anybody of anything, if you don't agree with me fine, just don't make ridiculous allegations. I don't care if you or the others don't take the vaccine personally, your loss. I do care about the negative effect on our country and I will certainly exercise my right to voice my own opinion. Still, I don't look to push my beliefs on anyone, never have. Seeing how defensive you are, I touched a nerve, you should think about that. ;) By the way, constantly complaining about the vaccines and exaggerating about 'excuses' made by experts is whining. :)
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It's better to admit you're wrong than try to revise what you posted. That way, you've only put one foot in your mouth instead of two. 😊
 
win231 said:
It's better to admit you're wrong than try to revise what you posted. That way, you've only put one foot in your mouth instead of two. 😊
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The thing is win, I'm not wrong or revising anything. Your reaction is no surprise, think what you may, I'm not here to convince or argue.
 
Curious; the bible tells us not to judge but how do you not make judgment calls in life? We automatically size up people and circumstances we are associated with. High School cliques are perfect examples of identifying groups of students to be a part of based on similar and different likes.
 
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