Five teens throwing rocks from overpass killing driver charged with murder

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FLINT, Mich. — Five teenagers accused of throwing rocks from a Michigan highway overpass were charged with second-degree murder Monday in the death of a man killed when one of them smashed the windshield of a van in which he was riding.

The rocks thrown last Wednesday struck the van in which Ken White was a passenger as well as several other vehicles on Interstate 75, about 80 miles north of Detroit.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-charged-murder-throwing-rocks-driver-n813606
 

No sense
Makes no sense

experienced something like that in Chicago, years ago
kids tossing stuff from an overpass

.....glad I live in the woods
 
That happened where I live also. Kids threw a huge chunk of concrete off an overpass and killed a driver beneath. I don't know what happened to them (this was years ago) but someone lost his life because of their actions.
 
It happens here too on the motorways...people throwing concrete and Bricks off Bridges onto traffic... I wish they could give Life sentencing to people here.... perhaps it would work as a deterrent..
 
We had a similar act of violence committed back in the 80's here in Pennsylvania. A high school senior would take his 9 year old brother with him when he decided to go out for a ride and then would stop on the interstate overpass and throw rocks over the railing one at a time. He damaged about 6 cars (maybe more) in a 2-month period. He was caught when his brother told his Grandfather and the Grandfather, after speaking with the accused, turned him in.

I can't remember all of the details as I was not involved in the case, but I do remember that he was given state time, maybe 3-5 years. BTW, a few of the drivers did suffer some injuries.

This is a very serious act, needless to say. Lives can be lost simply because the person throwing the rocks wants to have some fun. I have never figured out how that can be considered as having fun.
 
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Very similar to an incident that happened in Florida a while back.

As far as I am concerned they can execute these punks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_75_rock-throwing_death

Julie Catherine Laible, was a young professor at the University of Alabama killed by a large rock thrown at her car from an overpass while she was driving along Interstate 75 (I-75) in Manatee County, Florida, on March 28, 1999.

A rock was thrown or dropped onto a random passing car from an overpass along I-75 hitting the car Laible was driving.[SUP][1][/SUP] Tara Sue Wells, a graduate student who was a passenger in the car, managed to steer it safely to the side of the road.[SUP][2][/SUP] She would testify at the trials of the rock throwers.[SUP][3][/SUP] The rock, which weighed 22 pounds (10.0 kg), smashed through the windshield hitting the professor in the head and inflicting a fatal injury.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP] Several other cars were damaged by rocks thrown from that overpass during that weekend.[SUP][2][/SUP]
Laible's death "shocked" Tuscaloosa, home of the University of Alabama, where the trials were followed closely.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] Labile was an Assistant Professor of Educational Leadership and Policy at the University of Alabama from 1995 until her death in 1999.[SUP][8][/SUP] She is remembered for her anti-racism scholarship and activism.[SUP][9][/SUP]
[h=2]Perpetrators[/h]Juan Cardenas, 19, of Wimauma, Florida, the "alleged ringleader" in the crime,[SUP][10][/SUP] was convicted of second-degree murder for hurling the rock that killed Laible.[SUP][4][/SUP] Cardenas was sentenced to serve life in prison.[SUP][11][/SUP]
Jesus Dominguez, 19, of Ellenton, Florida, was charged with driving the truck in which Juan Cardenas and Noe Ramierez (a juvenile at the time) rode on the night of the murder.[SUP][12][/SUP] During the 16 months following his arrest, Dominguez was permitted to move about freely wearing an ankle bracelet that recorded whether he was in his home or had left the house, but not his precise whereabouts.[SUP][13][/SUP] In addition, the judge reduced his bail from $100,000.00 to $25,000.00, enabling his family to post bail.[SUP][13][/SUP] On August 30, 2000 the night before he was scheduled to plead guilty to second-degree murder, Dominguez fled.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP] He was listed on the Sheriff of Manatee County's list of the five most-wanted fugitives.[SUP][12][/SUP] He is believed to have been living in Matamoros, Mexico, but authorities received a tip that he would be visiting Brownsville, Texas, where he was arrested in August 2001.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP] Dominguez was extradited back to Manatee County.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP] After being returned to Florida to stand trial, Dominguez agreed to plea no contest to a charge of second degree murder, and to admit to driving the car on the night of the murder.[SUP][16][/SUP] Dominguez was sentenced to serve 21 years in prison.[SUP][17][/SUP]
Noe Ramierez, 16, of Palmetto, Florida was tried as a juvenile.[SUP][12][/SUP] After spending 58 days in a juvenile detention facility, he was convicted of culpable negligence and sentenced to 180 days of house arrest.[SUP][16][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP]


 
Heard on the news they each have a separate attorney.

Maybe the aforementioned "Flint Water Fiasco" defense will be used.
Hmmm...then again, maybe not. :wink:
 
You are dealing with a male teenage mind. When is a kid not a kid? Who really knows? Parents are saying "my son would never do anything like that", until he does. Let's face it, he's done something horrendous. He's probably admitted to it. The only thing we have to address his act is a prison term. He is a kid, so we make him an honorary adult; and give him an adult term. Is that warranted or effective? Nobody really knows. It's the only thing we have.
 
I agree that this is a tragic crime and that these kids should be charged.

My concern is what the appropriate punishment should be, I hate to see these kids written off at such a young age. My hope is that they can mature and become productive contributing members of our society but my fear is that 10 or 15 years in prison will condemn them and those around them to a life of misery.

I'm not sure how best to balance meaningful punishment with a chance at redemption.

So many lives destroyed and no comfort or solutions for any of the people impacted by this thoughtless crime.
 
^^

I don't understand the reference to the Flint water fiasco. (Quote)

Through government mis-management of public water resources, the citizens of Flint were drinking lead-laced water for several years. It's recent and the situation has been widely publicized in the national news.

@helenbacque

I'm VERY familiar with what happened in Flint, Michigan re: the water. (I keep up with the national news, which is why I posted the story.) What I meant was I wasn't sure why you connected the Flint water crisis to the 5 teens/smart lawyer. But it's not important; never mind.
 
@helenbacque

I'm VERY familiar with what happened in Flint, Michigan re: the water. (I keep up with the national news, which is why I posted the story.) What I meant was I wasn't sure why you connected the Flint water crisis to the 5 teens/smart lawyer. But it's not important; never mind.

Sorry, my comment should have come with more explanation of my thought process.

My point was .... tests indicate that children exposed to lead in large quantities suffer brain damage in areas such as intelligence and impulse control. Crafty attorneys will look for all possible excuses when seeking leniency for their clients.
 
You are dealing with a male teenage mind. When is a kid not a kid? Who really knows? Parents are saying "my son would never do anything like that", until he does. Let's face it, he's done something horrendous. He's probably admitted to it. The only thing we have to address his act is a prison term. He is a kid, so we make him an honorary adult; and give him an adult term. Is that warranted or effective? Nobody really knows. It's the only thing we have.

Teenage crazy or not, those boys are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong (shoving rocks off an overpass into moving traffic is clearly not right), and that actions have consequences (a man died because of their actions). They chose to push the rocks off anyway, causing the man's death, and now the consequences are prison. I don't know if it's effective, but I do think it's warranted -- a man died, after all, and his family will never be the same, and as you say, it's all we have. They can't just turn them loose and tell them to go forth and sin no more -- what does that say to the next idiot who wants to push rocks off an overpass? If those boys didn't intend to harm someone, what in the world were they doing pushing rocks off into moving traffic? What did they expect would happen?
 


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