France Again-Stabbings and Standoff At Hotel

Has anyone come up with an idea about why France is getting hit repeatedly? I haven't seen anything that suggests an answer to that question.

I feel so awful for the people of France! They must feel like they're hostages by this time! This is terrible!
 
Debby said:
Has anyone come up with an idea about why France is getting hit repeatedly? I haven't seen anything that suggests an answer to that question.

I feel so awful for the people of France! They must feel like they're hostages by this time! This is terrible!
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And France is taking in the same people that are attacking them. These terrorist don't want to fight or fix the problem in their homeland and yet seem to hate & loath their new home.
 

But you're assuming that the monsters who are attacking are truly refugees. Let's say a disaster happened in New York. Something really terrible that made multitudes from that state run for their lives. And for whatever reason, thousands of them ended up in Oklahoma. Then Timothy McVeigh blew up the Federal building. Would you be condemning the thousands of people who fled from New York because of what McVeigh did?

France is taking in refugees and among them are terrorists. It seems to me, that Europe's big problem is that there isn't an ocean between them and the countries where these refugees and terrorists are originating from and because of the thousands or millions fleeing the fighting, there isn't a good way to vet all of them in a timely way to weed out the bad guys.

I think it's really important which words we chose to discuss the problem and how we use them. The refugees aren't loathing the country that took them in, it's the terrorists who hide among them who have a plan to cause chaos and fear in the countries that they've gone to.

So again, why is it France that seems to be getting blasted more than other EU countries? Is it because the terrorists see France as being close to America, or something to do with old grudges as per the French Foreign Legion or ? Or are they simply looking for a high visibility, tourist destination that half the world has at one time or another expressed the opinion that they want to go to Paris once in their lives? Stroll the Champs de Lysee, see the Louvre, .......could this be more accurately the reason? Or a combination of reasons?
 
Debby said:
Has anyone come up with an idea about why France is getting hit repeatedly? I haven't seen anything that suggests an answer to that question.
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This article might answer some of your questions Debby. More here.


Among European countries, France has endured some of the worst assaults by jihadists in recent years, underscoring the country’s ongoing problem with homegrown militancy—and its status as a major target.

The roots of the problem are complex: France has a history of violence in its encounters with the Middle East and North Africa and a domestic Muslim community with long experiences of discrimination and feelings of exclusion from French society.

France’s prisons have become a recruiting ground for extremists. And the French radical right is growing in influence, stoking tensions through rhetoric that is often anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim.

Add to that cocktail the recruiting apparatus of the self-proclaimed Islamic State. Some 1,800 people left France to join ISIS and other militant groups in Iraq and Syria as of May 2015, according to the Soufan Group, a security firm based in New York, citing estimates from the French authorities.

Another 470 came from another partially Francophone country: Belgium, which has the highest per-capita recruitment rate in Europe. Those are striking numbers, especially when put in context. By comparison, between 600 and 1,000 fighters are estimated to have come from Egypt, the largest country in the Arab world.
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Thanks SeaBreeze! I'm not surprised to read any of the above. When I was reading about Haiti a couple years ago, one of the things I discovered that it was a French slave colony until the early 1800's(?) and that they treated the slaves horribly and it took a slave revolt to throw them out of the country! So to hear about it's history of violence, etc. in other parts of the world, potentially being part of the reason for all this current stuff, makes more sense. And I also remember from bit's and bites in the news a few years back that there were significant problems between French authorities and immigrant communities or at least the young men and gangs and such. And that was before ISIS!

Well thank you for rounding out my understanding. Appreciate it.
 
Debby said:
But you're assuming that the monsters who are attacking are truly refugees. Let's say a disaster happened in New York. Something really terrible that made multitudes from that state run for their lives. And for whatever reason, thousands of them ended up in Oklahoma. Then Timothy McVeigh blew up the Federal building. Would you be condemning the thousands of people who fled from New York because of what McVeigh did?

France is taking in refugees and among them are terrorists. It seems to me, that Europe's big problem is that there isn't an ocean between them and the countries where these refugees and terrorists are originating from and because of the thousands or millions fleeing the fighting, there isn't a good way to vet all of them in a timely way to weed out the bad guys.

I think it's really important which words we chose to discuss the problem and how we use them. The refugees aren't loathing the country that took them in, it's the terrorists who hide among them who have a plan to cause chaos and fear in the countries that they've gone to.

So again, why is it France that seems to be getting blasted more than other EU countries? Is it because the terrorists see France as being close to America, or something to do with old grudges as per the French Foreign Legion or ? Or are they simply looking for a high visibility, tourist destination that half the world has at one time or another expressed the opinion that they want to go to Paris once in their lives? Stroll the Champs de Lysee, see the Louvre, .......could this be more accurately the reason? Or a combination of reasons?
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I don't think there is a reliable way for anybody to weed out the "bad guys" when they are coming from places where the administrative infrastructure has collapsed. It's not like there were a database of good guys and bad guys. And there's also no way to verify whether a person is really who they say they are.
 
Butterfly said:
I don't think there is a reliable way for anybody to weed out the "bad guys" when they are coming from places where the administrative infrastructure has collapsed. It's not like there were a database of good guys and bad guys. And there's also no way to verify whether a person is really who they say they are.
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Well, we've taken in 25,000 Syrian refugees this year and so far, stories of happiness, gratitude and relief to not be stuck in camps or war zones and as far as I know, no issues such as France is seeing with any of them. So I think that the UN people who are vetting them in the camps seem to be doing a pretty good job.

Good article by the way mitchezz. Thanks for sharing it. I especially like that it mentioned law abiding Muslims because I think all the violence that is noted among some Muslims is considered as part and parcel of all of them.
 
Debby said:
Well, we've taken in 25,000 Syrian refugees this year and so far, stories of happiness, gratitude and relief to not be stuck in camps or war zones and as far as I know, no issues such as France is seeing with any of them. So I think that the UN people who are vetting them in the camps seem to be doing a pretty good job.

Good article by the way mitchezz. Thanks for sharing it. I especially like that it mentioned law abiding Muslims because I think all the violence that is noted among some Muslims is considered as part and parcel of all of them.
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