Global Warming, where is it?

Global warming doesn't result in the earth becoming a desert. Warming refers to temperatures of the ocean's surface. When ocean temps rise, the under currents shift. That causes shifts in atmospheric pressure, and changes in the weather; unexpected snowfall, ice storms, hurricanes, heat waves, etc.
 

We had a little dusting of snow yesterday too Camper, and temps in the 30s, last night in the 20s. Second touch of snow so far this year, there was some early in October. I've seen snow on and before Halloween over the years. I'm in Colorado, I'm surprised you don't see more snow in October in Canada, I always think of Canada as colder and more snowy.
 
Cap'nSacto said:
Global warming doesn't result in the earth becoming a desert. Warming refers to temperatures of the ocean's surface. When ocean temps rise, the under currents shift. That causes shifts in atmospheric pressure, and changes in the weather; unexpected snowfall, ice storms, hurricanes, heat waves, etc.
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No, that's not what the "experts" said. There was to be a 1.8° C. rise per year in ambient air temperature, worldwide average. It didn't happen. That's why no one speaks of global warming anymore. The proponents of the theory have now switched to the rather nebulous term of climate change. The latter is a regular phenomenon.
 
Big Horn said:
No, that's not what the "experts" said. There was to be a 1.8° C. rise per year in ambient air temperature, worldwide average. It didn't happen. That's why no one speaks of global warming anymore. The proponents of the theory have now switched to the rather nebulous term of climate change. The latter is a regular phenomenon.
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I wasn't quoting any "experts". I wrote down some facts.
 
It's been in the sixties, 70's and even eighties all month here so far, so yeah that it pretty warm for this area. I had the AC for the past couple of days and needed it too; we were having monsoon like rain for days and the air was like warm soup, hard to breathe without ac.
 
chic said:
It's been in the sixties, 70's and even eighties all month here so far, so yeah that it pretty warm for this area. I had the AC for the past couple of days and needed it too; we were having monsoon like rain for days and the air was like warm soup, hard to breathe without ac.
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How far out of the norm is that historically where you live?
 
Science has little to do with global warming and/or climate change. It depends more on the people who really understand the subject, news broadcasters. I had some concerns about the possibility that there might be a gradual change taking place but I switched from CNN to Fox News and am now greatly relieved. I'm being assured on a daily basis that there's no need to worry so I'm now able to sit back and relax - - -crisis over!!! :D
 
DaveA said:
Science has little to do with global warming and/or climate change. It depends more on the people who really understand the subject, news broadcasters. I had some concerns about the possibility that there might be a gradual change taking place but I switched from CNN to Fox News and am now greatly relieved. I'm being assured on a daily basis that there's no need to worry so I'm now able to sit back and relax - - -crisis over!!! :D
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That's funny. Thanks. But here in Canada they have gone so far as to impose a carbon tax. Once the government gets involved and starts collecting taxes I know it's a scam.
 
Camper6 said:
How far out of the norm is that historically where you live?
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Quite a bit. Last Oct. was the fourth warmest on record. Today was 70 degrees. people were wearing shorts, tees and sandals. If the weather continues this warm for the next few days it will become a record breaking warm month for us. First time in recorded weather history. So it does look real where I am. Personally, I enjoy the warmth.
 
Every year, the global average temperatures seem to be rising by a fraction of a degree. 2015, and 2016 were the warmest years in the past 100+, and 2017 is on track to set a new record. None of us will live long enough to see any drastic effects if this trend continues....but those living 100 or 200 years from now may be in real trouble if this trend continues....especially if they live near the oceans, currently just a few feet above sea level.

Between unchecked overpopulation and a warming climate, future generations are going to have some really miserable problems to cope with. Places like Canada, Alaska, and Siberia may see massive migrations a century from now, especially when all the major population centers along the Gulf and East coasts are being flooded by the rising oceans, and untold millions of people are forced to abandon those regions.
 
Well right where I am sitting now was a glacier that melted and helped carve Lake Superior. The Earth has been warming for centuries. Parts of the Earth have become deserts. There's nothing you can do about it. Tropical forests and dinosaurs. Nothing is static in Nature. Eventually the Earth will become a cinder because our sun will expand.
 
Camper, we've finally gotten some nice, crisp fall weather, in the last week of October!!! It's been in the 80's, often close to 90, up to now. Are you seriously doubting that something very weird is taking place with the weather?
 
Sunny said:
Camper, we've finally gotten some nice, crisp fall weather, in the last week of October!!! It's been in the 80's, often close to 90, up to now. Are you seriously doubting that something very weird is taking place with the weather?
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No. I don't think that's weird at all. I would love to have some weather in the 80's and 90's. I just love warm weather. Yes I seriously am doubting that the temperature of the world is increasing at a rate that was any different than what it was in the past. Not that I can see anyway.

We have two seasons here. Winter and construction.
 
Camper6 said:
Yes I seriously am doubting that the temperature of the world is increasing at a rate that was any different than what it was in the past.
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There are numerous sites on the Web that show the changes in the global climate. Here is perhaps one of the best ones....From NASA, showing the rise in temperatures from 1884 to 2016. Note the accelerating rise from 1980...

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Judging this issue, simply from your local perspective, is not going to give you an accurate assessment.
 
Don M. said:
There are numerous sites on the Web that show the changes in the global climate. Here is perhaps one of the best ones....From NASA, showing the rise in temperatures from 1884 to 2016. Note the accelerating rise from 1980...

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Judging this issue, simply from your local perspective, is not going to give you an accurate assessment.
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I just love these charts. If they would adjust the axis it would be a smooth line.

From 2000 to 2017 it's .5 degrees. Well within the norm.

Let me give you a tip. Don't trust charts. You can make them look better or worse than whatever is the actual data.

Global warmists tend to make the charts look dramatic.

Just tell me the figures without the charts. How much of an increase in the last 100 years. Is it out of the norm or right on?

1880 to 2020. A difference of .5 degrees. I don't care about the rate. I care about the results to date. The rate is a hype as something we have to worry about.

NASA should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Camper6 said:
I just love these charts. If they would adjust the axis it would be a smooth line.

From 2000 to 2017 it's .5 degrees. Well within the norm.

Let me give you a tip. Don't trust charts. You can make them look better or worse than whatever is the actual data.

Global warmists tend to make the charts look dramatic.

Just tell me the figures without the charts. How much of an increase in the last 100 years. Is it out of the norm or right on?

1880 to 2020. A difference of .5 degrees. I don't care about the rate. I care about the results to date. The rate is a hype as something we have to worry about.

NASA should be ashamed of themselves.
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I agree. After a warning shot, they are quite willing to trade integrity for continued funding.
 
Camper6 said:
I just love these charts. If they would adjust the axis it would be a smooth line.

From 2000 to 2017 it's .5 degrees. Well within the norm.

Let me give you a tip. Don't trust charts. You can make them look better or worse than whatever is the actual data.

Global warmists tend to make the charts look dramatic.

Just tell me the figures without the charts. How much of an increase in the last 100 years. Is it out of the norm or right on?

1880 to 2020. A difference of .5 degrees. I don't care about the rate. I care about the results to date. The rate is a hype as something we have to worry about.

NASA should be ashamed of themselves.
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A dozen or so years back there was a lot of push from the global warmers to make it more important and get governments to start pushing money toward the concerned ones to get some better ideas.

The UN weather folks were not interested then, nor was Australia, or Japan, or USA and plenty of others also stood aside and offered no support for global warming and its long list of things to do or not do. Now we had a new President elected in the US and he was one of those global warming folks. So soon the UN found a different person for the UN that loved global warming. Soon Australia, Japan, and others decided to join in the now wining bunch of global warmers. Still waiting for the charts to begin to show some real signs of global warming. It has to be something that can really cause hardship for people. Gaining more mild climate territories will allow the farming areas to expand and that means all people and animals will have a better time of eating and living better.

There are some things from this global warming movement that will be good for all, but hardly a difference in our winter temps. Better care for the planet by not just trashing the earth and oceans with our wast products is a good deal for all. I am not sure right now if our current government is going to spend much time on global warming, but he certainly does seem to be ready to make sure folks who have needs will get taken care of. and those not willing to work may have a harder time getting taken care of.
 
Still waiting for the charts to begin to show some real signs of global warming. It has to be something that can really cause hardship for people. Gaining more mild climate territories will allow the farming areas to expand and that means all people and animals will have a better time of eating and living better.
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How about the ten hottest annual mean temperatures have all happened this century?

How about the fire seasons in both hemispheres stretching out by starting earlier and finishing later so that there is now overlap between them that did not happen before? Australia and America used to share assets and manpower to fight wild fires but now these are likely to be needed at the same time in both countries.

How about the increasing frequency of super cells that are of hitherto unprecedented diameter that are causing devastation that requires massive investment by taxpayers to rebuild whole electricity systems, dams, levies and private property?

Then there is the effect on fisheries if the Great Barrier Reef dies. This ecosystem is the nursery of species and when it dies the fish stocks will be severely reduced. Those who can afford it will still eat fish but poor countries that rely heavily on the sea for sustenance will have to find other forms of protein. There will always be seaweed. Coral bleaching is occurring with alarming frequency lately - like every year. Not new, but happening annually now.

I could go on but if the data collected all around the world does not shout out a warning then neither will these signs of a trend that will be very costly to deal with for the developed world and which will force the world's poor to commence a new period of mass migration which is how humans have traditionally responded to strong periods of climate change.

Think of the impact of this years California wildfires, while on the other side of the country three intense hurricanes were wrecking whole cities.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...map-how-deadly-wildfires-spreading/759038001/

Note that these fires cause deaths, loss of property and livelihood, dangerous air quality away from the fires and loss of animals, orchards and crops. Yes fires have always done this but when they occur more frequently with stronger winds driving them we begin to see the folly of not trying to limit human impact on the atmosphere.
 
i won't even make an attempt at arguing the issue. When almost all the worlds scientists say we have a problem that will ultimately result in a real problem for all on earth, I believe them, not the amateur deniers.
 
Warrigal said:
How about the fire seasons in both hemispheres stretching out by starting earlier and finishing later so that there is now overlap between them that did not happen before? Australia and America used to share assets and manpower to fight wild fires but now these are likely to be needed at the same time in both countries.

Note that these fires cause deaths, loss of property and livelihood, dangerous air quality away from the fires and loss of animals, orchards and crops. Yes fires have always done this but when they occur more frequently with stronger winds driving them we begin to see the folly of not trying to limit human impact on the atmosphere.
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The NY Times says most of the fires in California recently have been caused by humans. Some by downed power lines from winds. Also, the number of fires is sketchy because when a fire is close enough to ignite another fire they sometimes count them separately:

"Among the thousands of wildfires recorded in California in recent years, most have been caused by human activity: sparks from rocks sliced by lawn mower blades; children playing with fire; arson; fireworks; welding torches; even satanic rituals."

“If there are high velocity winds, there’s every reason to suspect that power lines are a source,” said Jon E. Keeley, a fire expert with the United States Geological Survey in California. “We have many documented cases of power lines igniting fires during these high wind events."

"In the case of this month’s fires, investigators are treating the 17 suspected ignition points separately. But many of the fires merged and it remains possible that embers from one fire could have started what are currently being classified as separate fires."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/california-wildfires-investigation.html

I also read that a transformer caused one recently in CA and the power company was too understaffed to respond appropriately. Authorities caught one of the arsons that started the fire recently in Northern CA. The reason it spread so quickly was no heat but rather wind.
 
AZ Jim said:
i won't even make an attempt at arguing the issue. When almost all the worlds scientists say we have a problem that will ultimately result in a real problem for all on earth, I believe them, not the amateur deniers.
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I don't count myself among deniers. The climate is changing. I may have missed a post or two; I didn't see any that deny it.

My point (earlier) was that increased temperature of the ocean's surfaces (which total 71% of the surface of the earth, Camper) effects major ocean currents, bringing to land masses record snowfalls as well as record high temperatures.
 

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