God has a plan. An observation and a question.

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God has a plan. I hear this a lot especially from desperate people or those who are suffering. Some tell me this when I am struggling and it doesn't comfort me a bit. I wish it did. I usually go silent when someone who is hurting badly says this, more to themselves than to me, and just let them talk.
We all have challenging times in our lives at some point and feel stretched to the limit. Maybe we need real help or a definite plan that we are privy to not just patronizing words that are easily dismissed. I've seen a lot of loved ones die, many well before their time, a couple by suicide and I wonder, what was God's plan for them because it didn't work out too well. :cry:
A plan implies sharing. In war, Generals make plans and share them with subordinates. How else can a battle be won? Similar strategies are employed in sports where teams have a game plan with specific plays to achieve certain results and victory.
What good is a plan when it is kept hidden from those it directly concerns?

How do you feel about the title "God has a plan"? And do you think His plan should be shared with us so we could cope better with life's slings and arrows? :unsure:
 

IMO if God has a plan it would defeat his purpose to share it with us.

God gave us everything we need, then stepped back to see if we are able to understand and use his gifts in ways that please and honor him.

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op: "God has a plan. I hear this a lot especially from desperate people or those who are suffering. Some tell me this when I am struggling and it doesn't comfort me a bit. I wish it did. I usually go silent when someone who is hurting badly says this, more to themselves than to me, and just let them talk.
We all have challenging times in our lives at some point and feel stretched to the limit. Maybe we need real help or a definite plan that we are privy to not just patronizing words that are easily dismissed. I've seen a lot of loved ones die, many well before their time, a couple by suicide and I wonder, what was God's plan for them because it didn't work out too well. :cry:
A plan implies sharing. In war, Generals make plans and share them with subordinates. How else can a battle be won? Similar strategies are employed in sports where teams have a game plan with specific plays to achieve certain results and victory.
What good is a plan when it is kept hidden from those it directly concerns?

How do you feel about the title "God has a plan"? And do you think His plan should be shared with us so we could cope better with life's slings and arrows? :unsure:"

You no doubt have read a lot of religious posts, threads, news, history and so on.
Since most of all that's ever written about anything is , well, not only not helpful, but comes from and leads to much harm,
it is very difficult for anyone to learn the truth about the Creator's Plan.
 

I think the Earth has a destiny just as we as individuals do. Whether this is a plan set out by a higher consciousness, I have no idea. It does seem that whenever people try to change things, they come up against a brick wall as though they are interfering with nature.
I am a 'medium' (dead people speak to me) and more than one has said 'I'm glad I left when I did because I don't want to be part of what is going to happen next in the world'. They have elaborated on that but I'm not sure I should repeat it.
 
According to YHVH, The Creator, for Jews and Christians, and according to all Scripture,
whenever it appears someone 'dead' is 'brought up' or talked to, it is a demon, not a person.
Demons love to talk as much as they can with anyone, to keep them,
and this is much more common than The Creator Speaking to anyone, since fewer people by far seek The Creator.
 
Tish said:
I will never trash another person's beliefs, it is what gets them through the tough times,
I may not agree with their beliefs but I won't trash them.
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Your bias is showing. If you learn historically and actually what has caused so many "tough times", you will be finding helpful ways to let people know how to avoid much greater damage and destruction in the future, including a lot of pain and suffering that is potentially unnecessary for anyone or everyone related .

Oh, yes, btw, there is guaranteed pain and suffering for anyone pursuing the truth in this world, but along with all that is free and immeasurable peace and joy through everything, along with "the solution" finally.
 
Lavinia said:
I think the Earth has a destiny just as we as individuals do. Whether this is a plan set out by a higher consciousness, I have no idea. It does seem that whenever people try to change things, they come up against a brick wall as though they are interfering with nature.
I am a 'medium' (dead people speak to me) and more than one has said 'I'm glad I left when I did because I don't want to be part of what is going to happen next in the world'. They have elaborated on that but I'm not sure I should repeat it.
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Oh please elaborate... :)
 
A nun said those words to me when I was in the hospital chapel after getting the news that my husband could lose both legs. Fortunately God's plan was a partial foot amputation. A skilled surgeon guided perhaps with God's plan.

I was in a panic, homeless except for a summer trailer, it was September and the park where the trailer was located was closing in six weeks. Never realized that apartments were as scarce as hens teeth. Six weeks prior I was feeling jubilant, my plan was working out great.....then the crash to reality.

Sometimes God's plan is not what you planned. That is when you have to at least try to make God's plan work and change the plan you had in mind.

I did, I had too and things are OK today.

And I have another plan in mind now.....I keep telling God to work with me :)
 
chic said:
God has a plan. I hear this a lot especially from desperate people or those who are suffering. Some tell me this when I am struggling and it doesn't comfort me a bit. I wish it did. I usually go silent when someone who is hurting badly says this, more to themselves than to me, and just let them talk.
We all have challenging times in our lives at some point and feel stretched to the limit. Maybe we need real help or a definite plan that we are privy to not just patronizing words that are easily dismissed. I've seen a lot of loved ones die, many well before their time, a couple by suicide and I wonder, what was God's plan for them because it didn't work out too well. :cry:
A plan implies sharing. In war, Generals make plans and share them with subordinates. How else can a battle be won? Similar strategies are employed in sports where teams have a game plan with specific plays to achieve certain results and victory.
What good is a plan when it is kept hidden from those it directly concerns?

How do you feel about the title "God has a plan"? And do you think His plan should be shared with us so we could cope better with life's slings and arrows? :unsure:
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This reminded me of all the times in my life when someone said, "God never gives you more to cope with than you can bear. And I would reply, "then I've been terribly over-estimated."

The bible believers will say all the plans are there, clear as day. Since I'm not one of them, I still repeat that I could not respect a god that stood back and watched atrocities unfold. That's not a plan.
 
Em in Ohio said:
This reminded me of all the times in my life when someone said, "God never gives you more to cope with than you can bear. And I would reply, "then I've been terribly over-estimated."
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yep I agree..by that token, no-one would be dead from pain the body couldn't cope with any more...

My mum would still be alive.. and not dead at 39 from a prescription meds overdose to escape the pain... my nephew and niece would both be alive.. and not dead at 4 months, and 15 years old.. My daughters' step-brother wouldn't have hung himself because of emotional pain... so many people would be alive because God never gave them more pain than they could cope with while suffering life limiting illness.. ( oh wait, nope they're dead)..

It's all BS to fit in with the narrative isn't it ?
 
Chet said:
So why does god plan pain and suffering in people's lives? Does he enjoy watching us squirm?
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The human mind is an incredible piece of work, isn't it? When things go well for us, we give all kinds of credit, thanks, and praise to the imaginary deity we've been told we are commanded to believe in When things don't go so well for us, well, "It's part of God's plan." So the true believers have conjured up a way for everything to be OK with us, no matter what it is.

In other words, stop thinking, folks. Everything is just wonderful, because it's part of God's plan.

I think all of this goes back to childhood imprinting. How does that saying go, about giving me the child until he is 7, etc.? It apparently works. With some of us, anyway.

And Lavinia, your conversations with dead people are very interesting. For some reason, The Addams Family popped into my head. Yikes.
 
Well, I guess I'm a Bible believer although not an inerrantist. Flawed humans have had a hand in all the translations.

I'm not a big believer in a plan. I believe God made us and then gave us freewill to mess up. I think it's up to us to drive safely and not count on Jesus taking the wheel when we head over that cliff.

We can decide to roast a tobacco leaf, then put it in a pipe and smoke it. Who gave us the cancer? We can innocently conceive a child, do everything right while we're pregnant and the child be born with a terrible birth defect. Was it God's plan or a genetic mutation developed in some people over hundred's of years?

What's the use in religion then? Why pray to a God who wont keep your loved ones from dying or you from losing a leg? I don't know about others, but I pray because God helps me through my mind. Prayer helps me deal with all this mess while it's going on, relieving panic and easing grief. I also get practical help through prayer when answers come to me shortly after praying. My religion gives me hope that when this relatively short spell on earth is over I'll go to a better place.

Other people will tell you about God performing miracles in their life, and maybe I've had some miracles and don't recognize them. Who knows?
Sunny said:
I think all of this goes back to childhood imprinting. How does that saying go, about giving me the child until he is 7, etc.?
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My beliefs were imprinted on me when I was preschool age, but not through my parents or their arty friends, who were not churchy people. I had some spiritual experiences when I was alone in the woods around our house. My family thought I was quite the odd little duck taking my rocking chair into the trees to pray.
 
Mizmo said:
Well right now my PLAN is to visit the coffee shop
anyone care to join me...ttfn
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hollydolly said:
yep I agree..by that token, no-one would be dead from pain the body couldn't cope with any more...

My mum would still be alive.. and not dead at 39 from a prescription meds overdose to escape the pain... my nephew and niece would both be alive.. and not dead at 4 months, and 15 years old.. My daughters' step-brother wouldn't have hung himself because of emotional pain... so many people would be alive because God never gave them more pain than they could cope with while suffering life limiting illness.. ( oh wait, nope they're dead)..

It's all BS to fit in with the narrative isn't it ?
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I agree @hollydolly. When you've had family/friends who have died horribly painful deaths or from suicide, or both, you've got to think something is terribly wrong with this plan, or there is no plan at all, or if there is a plan tell me what it is so I can do what I can do to make it a reality. It's the SILENCE that kills and the abandonment one feels at such times. :unsure:
 
Aunt Bea said:
IMO if God has a plan it would defeat his purpose to share it with us.

God gave us everything we need, then stepped back to see if we are able to understand and use his gifts in ways that please and honor him.

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OK. What is His purpose? I believe. I've read the bible cover to cover many times, but I don't see solutions or plans there. I feel abandoned, so shed some light if you can.
 
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