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Debby

Debby

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Do you think we really exist or are we a construct of a greater mind/consciousness and expressly created to fulfil a purpose?
 

I think I exist....it's just everyone else around me I believe are Aliens.. :lost: I think I fell off my real planet and landed on this weird one somehow :magnify:
 
Guess we won't know the answer to that in our lifetimes. When I was little, I used to look at ant hills and wonder if they knew they were being observed by something much bigger than they were. Ants don't have brains; therefore, they don't know anything...

Darn it, Debby. This is one of those one-hand-clapping/tree-falling-in-the-wilderness questions!
 

76 years ago, I was floating around the universe and decided to stop here. Turns out, if people would stop fighting, it's a nice place to live. Yes I'm glad I stayed.

Wow.....I just found out on my IPad Air, I can push on the microphone icon and I don't have to type my response, I can't speak it and it types for me. ;)
 
hollydolly said:
I think I exist....it's just everyone else around me I believe are Aliens.. :lost: I think I fell off my real planet and landed on this weird one somehow :magnify:
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Certainly feels that way sometimes doesn't it and especially when you listen to some of the news and all you can say is WTF!
 
GeorgiaXplant said:
Guess we won't know the answer to that in our lifetimes. When I was little, I used to look at ant hills and wonder if they knew they were being observed by something much bigger than they were. Ants don't have brains; therefore, they don't know anything...

Darn it, Debby. This is one of those one-hand-clapping/tree-falling-in-the-wilderness questions!
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Oh you have no idea Georgia! The question I have to ask is, 'do you really think there are any hands doing anything'?

I've been reading a series of books by a physicist who worked for NASA for years and years and also set up the labs at the Monroe Institute which studies consciousness. He uses a similar sort of example as your ants and suggests that we are to a great organizing consciousness as the bacteria in our gut are to us. Those bacteria think they 'know' all about their universe as they look at the immense limits of it, but they will never understand the being behind (or would that be 'surrounding') their world, never mind the actions that took place to grow the food that the being then ate that they then get to consume and break down into bioavailable nutrients that benefit us. What he's basically saying is that we can only look to a certain point to see our beginnings, but our vision cannot see outside the system.

The system however, is evolving and as our human understanding is also evolving, it's becoming more possible to get some very clear and weird knowledge about who and what we are that doesn't exactly go along with the explanations that we've culturally come to accept.

My problem is that while I'm absolutely fascinated by this topic, I don't have a 'sciencey' mind so it takes multiple reads for things to sink in.
 
Pappy said:
76 years ago, I was floating around the universe and decided to stop here. Turns out, if people would stop fighting, it's a nice place to live. Yes I'm glad I stayed.
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Your comment sounds interesting. So what are your opinions on the world, us, the universe, who we are, why we're here.....come on, spit it out....we're dying to know! No pressure, just a little light banter to start the weekend. Maybe another coffee would help? And don't get distracted Pappy, cause we're waiting.....again, no pressure eh.
 
C'mon, Pappy, talk to the iPad! BTW, I can talk to my smartphone, too, but what it keys isn't usually what I said. I gave up on the microphone.
 
The human species is a product grown by a much superior species that we cannot see nor identify. That larger species harvests intelligence from us. As we age, our minds have taken in as much intelligence as there is space for. So we are no longer beneficial to them... and we die. Sorta like wheat after the grain is harvested. Out of the hundreds of million of humans on this Earth, only a few have intelligence enough to be harvested. I'm one, as are those who agree with me politically. All you other dolts are just there to take up space and serve we who are the smart ones!!:)
 
Anybody see or read Hitch-hikers guide to the Galaxy?

That tells you all you need to know...
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
The human species is a product grown by a much superior species that we cannot see nor identify. That larger species harvests intelligence from us. As we age, our minds have taken in as much intelligence as there is space for. So we are no longer beneficial to them... and we die. Sorta like wheat after the grain is harvested. Out of the hundreds of million of humans on this Earth, only a few have intelligence enough to be harvested. I'm one, as are those who agree with me politically. All you other dolts are just there to take up space and serve we who are the smart ones!!:)
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Well those are some interesting ideas. It's always good to be open to the possibility of new ideas and the only requirement is that they be 'tested' before they become 'accepted'. And let's face it, doesn't matter in the end who's right and who's wrong because we all wind up the same place. So open skepticism is the phrase of the day I think.

As for the politics, well, we shall see.
 
The answer to 'the life, the universe and everything' is 42.

The ending shows that we are an artificial planet, set up as an experiment, and run by.......mice.

I love the whole thing!
 
Long years ago I read a book about a man who kept growing smaller. As he grew smaller, the atoms around him grew larger until he would fall through into another level. I think he was standing on a brick floor to start with , and as he got smaller, he went inside of the brick, and ended up on one of the atoms, which then evolved into a planet----- and so on.
So, maybe our sun is really just an atom in some part of a much larger entity (or brick).
It kind of fits in with the idea of us being like the stomach bacteria maybe ?
 
When I was a little boy, I asked the Pastor if there was enough room in Heaven for everyone. He told me that there are no bodies in Heaven as we see each other today. We are using these bodies while we are here on earth, but when we die and if we are good, our spirit will go to Heaven.

Since then, of course, I have heard a much better explanation and YES, I am a believer for reasons only known by me.
 
As real as I need to be, if someone stabs me in the eye with an ice pick, I will surely feel it whether I saw it coming or not. I remember having to ponder such questions during philosophy class 101. Some times I still ponder the workings of the universe and beyond and all things I've got no control over, mostly it's just a feeling of meh and thoughts of why can't I ever remember where did I leave my keys.
 
When you were a child did you ever lay in a field on a sunny day, look up at the clouds and say to yourself what in the world is this all about? Even today I wonder about these things as old as I am. There are things that I just can't explain to myself and I suppose in not too many more years I'll find out for myself.

How did I do, Debby?
 
re:And let's face it, doesn't matter in the end who's right and who's wrong because we all wind up the same place.


Same place? where's that?
 
Happyflowerlady said:
Long years ago I read a book about a man who kept growing smaller. As he grew smaller, the atoms around him grew larger until he would fall through into another level. I think he was standing on a brick floor to start with , and as he got smaller, he went inside of the brick, and ended up on one of the atoms, which then evolved into a planet----- and so on.
So, maybe our sun is really just an atom in some part of a much larger entity (or brick).
It kind of fits in with the idea of us being like the stomach bacteria maybe ?
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Sounds like an interesting book and were you a teen when you read it or was it more recent?

The premise of your book reminds me that I saw one video that explained that if the centre of an atom was the size of a basketball, then correspondingly, those little whizzing electrons around them, would be the equivalent of 20 miles away. So that gives you an idea of how much space there is in everything. We're mostly 'not matter'. So the idea of falling between the atoms (interesting Outer Limits possibilities?) isn't outlandish in a way.
 
the organizational constant in the universe is called "self organizational criticality", it forms one of the fields of mathematics called catastrophe theory developed by Thom. it is why crystals organize, ants build bridges , etc. it forms the basis of reason streams flow down their beds in certain patterns. ancient pyramids all around the world were built on the principle that the ht. was .66 the size of the base (condensing a lot here). which is the same reason a small stream of sand will build a cone until this ratio is met, then will collapse, or the rocks on a mountain will avalanche, and why pyrimids look like mtns. and the reverse.

look up a book written by David Hofstader, , "Gödel, Escher and Bach"
look up material written by Lorenz, " the flap of a butterflys wings in India changes the weather in China" (approx.),
google Ergodic theory although this needs a math backround
and if you are interested in Neuronal response and model go to Christof Koch website on the internet
if you are interested in collective conscious stuff, get Joseph Campbell's, "Heros of a Thousand Faces" and "Mask of the Gods"

there has been only two break thrus in science in the last 1000 years. Newton's laws, (which were really done by is mentor Wallis, and Archmedies) and Chaos theory.
 

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