Heard an interesting phrase..for examination and opinion...
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Medusa
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I used to listen to a podcast called, Pantsuit Politics, done by two women from "across the isle," at least one of whom is an attorney and their tagline is, "I think you're wrong. But I'm listening."
That is the attitude I most enjoy in any discussion and I think the best chance we have for learning from each other.
That is the attitude I most enjoy in any discussion and I think the best chance we have for learning from each other.
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Sounds like nonsense to me.
I could get with "I understand what you're saying, but I disagree."
Amelia B
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Sounds like cognitive dissonance.
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I think I remember this from Social Psych. class, it's basically holding opposite beliefs or ideas simultaneously. People generally try to avoid it because it's uncomfortable to the mind.
If I'm correct, the above isn't true cognitive dissonance, but closer to having an open mind about a given issue.
Murrmurr
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Or wanting to appear to have an open mind.
Medusa
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It is actually possible to truly have an open mind on certain issues. I know I do.
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Since the subject here is "your point," that would be what is not agreed with in this scenario. "It, you, your conclusion" are simply synonyms for "the point," in this case. IMHO.
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My father used to accuse me of confusing an open mind with a hole in my head...
He was never accused of being open minded.
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Of course it's possible. I didn't suggest that it isn't.
"...agree...but I don't accept it." That door is shut, isn't it? At best it's a mixed message. I don't even know how one agrees with something but doesn't accept it. Do you have an example where that would work, or even make sense?
Murrmurr
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Makes more sense to me to say "I can accept that, but I disagree."
Medusa
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This is different than OP's subject how, Murrmurr? I'm genuinely, openly curious about your position on this.
Murrmurr
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For example, you can accept that what someone said to you is what they believe to be true, but it isn't true for you; I can accept that you say the ocean is blue, but I disagree because it appears gray.
The OP says, I agree with you (iow, your point is correct) but I don't accept it, and, to me, that sounds nonsensical.
dobielvr
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Agree to disagree...
Sippican
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Reminds me of a saying......"Its ok to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out"
Medusa
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Sorry, I'm just now seeing this.
I don't know what "iow" means (not that savvy with the net lingo). But this is starting to seem more of a linguistics issue than an cognitive one.
Murrmurr
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iow: in other words
The OP makes no sense. Like an oxymoron, the phrase contradicts itself. At the very least, it's incongruous. To me it is, anyway, but I'm just saying I don't see how one could agree but not accept. If I don't accept what someone said or pointed out, then it's obvious I don't agree with them.
I can, however, say, Look, I can accept your point (your truth/experience/what you heard), I just can't agree.... for whatever reason; i.e., it's illogical, there's no evidence to support it, I've seen evidence to the contrary, it hasn't ever been my experience ...or whatever.
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I understand.