Hooray for Clarksville.

Texas has been allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons for several years, along with the security guards.
The new training for teachers is reading, writing, arithmetic, and get to the gun range!

Understand, but don't like it at all.
 
I'm actually a bit surprised that they didn't have a major negative feedback - I guess Arkansas doesn't have many Liberals, huh? :D

I say good for them - protesting and praying does nothing during an actual scenario; at least this way they have an opportunity to take the bad guy down before too much damage is done.
 

No thanks. Too many armed fools for me. I'll be on the Last Train Leaving Clarksville with the rest of the Monkees...

I was waiting for that - you never fail me. :playful:

So what would be your alternative solution? Because I sure as heck can't figure one out, short of overhauling the mental health system and instituting mandatory psych exams every 6 months for the entire population ... and with the time, cost and lawsuits involved I don't even see THAT going anywhere.
 
I was waiting for that - you never fail me. :playful:

So what would be your alternative solution? Because I sure as heck can't figure one out, short of overhauling the mental health system and instituting mandatory psych exams every 6 months for the entire population ... and with the time, cost and lawsuits involved I don't even see THAT going anywhere.

I agree it's a complicated problem. The first solution off the top of my pointed little head is just more security and better police forcing... NOT a police state but protect and serve...
 
I agree it's a complicated problem. The first solution off the top of my pointed little head is just more security and better police forcing... NOT a police state but protect and serve...

But isn't that what they're attempting to do - provide more security?

As for the P&S boys - you would need at least one in every pre-school, grade school, junior & senior high and college in the country. There's roughly 150,000 such institutions in the U.S., and at an average national $27k salary that means we have to find a hair over $4 billion just for their salaries, not to mention overhead, benes and such.

On another board a while back I had suggested having National Guardsmen serve a rotation in the schools as part of their training / service, and I still think it's a doable solution unless (highly likely) I'm overlooking something.
 
It is so sad that our children need protecting via fire arms when they go to school. When/where does it stop. And my personal opinion (not trying to start a war here), is that giving teachers guns is not the solution. I'd like to see what kind of mental assessments the teachers require before they are trained to carry guns too. Too many unstable people out there in all kinds of professions that have guns. Scary stuff.
 
It is so sad that our children need protecting via fire arms when they go to school. When/where does it stop. And my personal opinion (not trying to start a war here), is that giving teachers guns is not the solution. I'd like to see what kind of mental assessments the teachers require before they are trained to carry guns too. Too many unstable people out there in all kinds of professions that have guns. Scary stuff.

It seems that the facility that they are certified at performs several criminal background checks and fingerprints are submitted to the FBI, but the only statement pertaining to the student's mental status is mentioned as :

(4) Does not suffer from a mental or physical infirmity that prevents the safe handling of a handgun and has not threatened or attempted suicide;

... along with the usual "no alcohol or drug" addictions proviso.

The process is a start but it certainly doesn't preclude a person having psychological problems. But then the same can be said for policemen, Federal agents, military personnel ... they can test them but they can't always catch them.

On the other hand, what's to stop a regular teacher from coming in one day with rifles, shotguns and handguns? Are THEY subjected to rigorous psychological testing?
 
My God.... What has this country turned into that require teachers to carry guns? When I was in school, all the teacher had to do was get out the ruler and scare the crap out of us. Worst case, being sent to principal which usually got back to our parents too.

caught chewing gum and you stood in hallway with gum stuck on end of your nose. Oh, I'm sorry. Did it embarrass the child? It was suppose to for crying out loud.

i guess you can tell, this is a real sore subject with me. Our children are so pampered now that they have to give out trophys to the losers. I guess I just don't get it.
 
My God.... What has this country turned into that require teachers to carry guns? When I was in school, all the teacher had to do was get out the ruler and scare the crap out of us. Worst case, being sent to principal which usually got back to our parents too.

caught chewing gum and you stood in hallway with gum stuck on end of your nose. Oh, I'm sorry. Did it embarrass the child? It was suppose to for crying out loud.

i guess you can tell, this is a real sore subject with me. Our children are so pampered now that they have to give out trophys to the losers. I guess I just don't get it.

Pappy, I agree with you. It seems that every generation thinks the kids coming up are going to hell in a handbasket. Remember how rock and roll was the devil's tool? Seems pretty tame now by comparison. But morals and disregard for authority have eroded over time and have culminated into what we are getting now.

Kids have:

1. No fear or respect for authority, because there are no consequences.

2. When kids get in trouble, parents come to the defense of the kid no matter how wrong the kid is.

3. No embarrassment because there are no moral examples from parents.

4. No correction for wrongdoing because, God forbid we should damage a kid's self esteem.

5. Parents condoning the brainwashing handed out by the educational system and the sexual and violent
content dished out by the "entertainment" industry.

6. Parents throwing money at kids instead of instilling the value of it and what it takes to get it.

7. Kids not being given any responsibility and expected to follow through with it.

8. Parents being too busy to spend quality, teaching time with kids.

Raising a kid is not much different than raising a dog. If you don't spend time with him, show him who the master is,, teach him what he needs to know to become a useful adult dog that fits in, he will think he is the master and act accordingly.

There are many more reasons why things have gone so wrong on so many levels, familial, educationally, and politically. Instead of trying to get to the root of a problem and address it, the solution in this country is to throw money at it, make more stupid unenforceable laws, and deny the problem until it is so out of control the best solution is to ignore it and focus on yet another out of control problem. Around in circles we go!
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As a nation we are failing, and failing fast!
 
I don't see why anyone who is trained and comfortable using a gun, and has a concealed gun carry permit, shouldn't have one in a school, movie theater, church, malls, or any other place where people congregate...which seems to be the locations most hit by these murderers. Maybe so many lives woudn't have been lost in these shootings, if someone in the crowd took a shot at the attacker, and stopped him in his tracks. If I had a child in school, I'd feel better if there were a few trained adults there to protect him and his classmates from harm.
 
Seabreeze, in this day and age I couldn't agree with you more. I guess my point is, when did the children take over and become the parent. When we were small, a little fear from authority went a long way towards good behavior.

i do have a concealed weapons permit, for Florida, and feel very comfortable wearing my gun. Although I hope it never happens, but if I could prevent someone getting hurt, it would be worth it.
 
Seabreeze, in this day and age I couldn't agree with you more. I guess my point is, when did the children take over and become the parent. When we were small, a little fear from authority went a long way towards good behavior.

i do have a concealed weapons permit, for Florida, and feel very comfortable wearing my gun. Although I hope it never happens, but if I could prevent someone getting hurt, it would be worth it.

Maybe it's just me, but I see this as being two very different topics - children misbehaving and psychos attacking those children.

If you're trying to make a connection between bad behavior as a child and homicidal rage as an adult I think you might need to look a bit more deeply at abnormal psychology, not parental disinterest.
 
Yeah, lets just dial 911 and wait for the police to come and save everyone, that seems to be working. :rolleyes:

Nice one. ;)

I worry a LOT less about the people that take the time, money and effort to get licensed than the quiet killers that steal their Mom's guns or just buy one on the street. I don't know the exact stats, but how many licensed owners do you think are committing multiple homicides?

I'm more worried about people like the guy down the street who offered to sell me a beat-up looking Beretta for $50, because THEY are the ones that are going to supply arms to the whackadoos.
 
I worry a LOT less about the people that take the time, money and effort to get licensed than the quiet killers that steal their Mom's guns or just buy one on the street. I don't know the exact stats, but how many licensed owners do you think are committing multiple homicides?

I hesitate to even contribute to the conversation as our laws differ from yours, but your point about the "quiet killers that steal their Mom's guns" makes me think that if Mom didn't have a gun in the first place, then the kid couldn't steal it. Same thing with buying guns on the street - is it possible that someone can buy a gun on the street because it was stolen from a licensed owner? Of course it is, so wouldn't it make sense that if there weren't so many guns owned legally, there wouldn't be so many guns to steal and resell? I've done target shooting and would like to try skeet shooting some time so I'm not against guns if they are used for hunting and/or sport, but it upsets me that people feel they need to carry a concealed weapon for self protection. If I lived in a place that I didn't feel safe in, I'd be hightailing out of there.

And.... I know that s**t can happen anywhere, but seriously, I wouldn't live somewhere where I felt compelled to carry a gun to the mall, just in case some wacko went nuts. And.... if my children attended a school where the teachers were armed, I'd pull them out and home school them.

I do understand the reasons, but I don't think putting more guns into the system is solving anything.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I see this as being two very different topics - children misbehaving and psychos attacking those children.

If you're trying to make a connection between bad behavior as a child and homicidal rage as an adult I think you might need to look a bit more deeply at abnormal psychology, not parental disinterest.

Well, maybe it's just me, and I don't claim to be a psychologist, but observation and common sense tells me there is a real connection between the way a lot of kids are raised and the resulting violent behavior.

The lack of values and exposure to violence and adult content in media are being pushed on kids at a very early age. The lack of moral guidance, the anything goes attitude condoned by society, and desensitization to the finality of death by violent media content, in my opinion leads to abnormal psychological behavior. This is just too much for a child's immature brain to process.

When a child has been exposed to the adult concepts of sex, violence, as well as drugs and alcohol in many instances, how is the immature brain supposed to process this? By a disconnect to reality and acting out in many cases.

I'm sure there are many more factors that enter into play that culminate in this violent behavior. Parental disinterest is just one of the many components of this behavior that I listed.

This is not about children just misbehaving, pulling childish pranks as kids are want to do. But rather about children killing other children. After all, if memory serves me, most if not all of the school shootings and many of the mass shootings are committed by juveniles or young adults with homicidal rage.

As I said earlier, instead of trying to fix the problem at the root, we put patches on it, in this case arming teachers and having security guards in schools. Not against either at this point, it's just that it will not fix the inherent problem.

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That Guy.. Hopefully you will never be in a situation where one or more "nitwit"s in the crowd has taken the initiative to get a gun permit and saves your butt from a shooter. As these incidents are happening more and more, your odds are going down that you will be in the wrong place at the right time someday.

To each his own on this thinking, but some may call you a "nitwit" for not living in the reality of the day.

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I wouldn't live somewhere where I felt compelled to carry a gun to the mall, just in case some wacko went nuts. And.... if my children attended a school where the teachers were armed, I'd pull them out and home school them.

I don't imagine most of the people who have been victims of mall, theatre or random car jacking shootings felt they lived somewhere where they were compelled to carry a gun to go to the mall or theatre. No place is exempt from these random, unpredictable act of violence these days.

Home schooling is becoming a serious option among parents who do not want their children to be exposed to the indoctrination educational system, safety issues and undesirable trends.
 
I think a lot of the violent and unusual behavior of the young people nowadays results from putting them on mind altering prescription meds as soon as they appear a little antsy in the classroom. Their attitude is to just put a label on the kid, and shove a pill in his mouth. If that doesn't work, we'll just try another prescription, such a shame. That combined with poor parenting is creating quite the society. :(
 
I admit I've not read this entire thread, but so far, pappy & ozarkgal, I agree. Criminals will always have access to guns, so if we take them from law-abiding citizens, who's gonna get hurt??!!

as for school shootings, does anyone think there's a connection with physician- ordered drugs?? Seems to me, there is...kids are diagnosed with all kinds of disorders, given drugs, along with being subjected to mindless crap in the media; senseless, violent computer games & movies, etc, that they are not mature enough to handle.

That, along with some parents being irresponsible ( in some cases), and you have violence waiting tio happen.

I have no problem with neighbors who have guns for protection. Law enforcement can't always arrive in time...it is just being responsible to protect yourself and family when and if the worst happens.
 


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