Hurricane Harvey and climate change

The topic of global warming, and whether or not it is because of human activity, is almost a Mute point...instead, we need to realize that it IS happening, and start preparing. If the studies conducted by reputable scientists are accurate, the coastal regions will be under water in another 1 to 2 hundred years. They project that the U.S. could lose as much as 17% of its current land mass....with places like Houston, New Orleans, Florida, and most of the major cities on the East coast being permanently flooded and becoming modern day examples of "Atlantis". As the human populations continue to expand, the situation will only get worse, and continue to accelerate. Even the most drastic measures that might be taken today...the total abandonment of fossil fuel use, etc.....would have little effect on the warming cycle, as there is already so much pollution in the atmosphere that it would take decades to reduce. The ice caps at the poles, and Greenland continue to melt at an increasing pace, and sea levels continue to rise. Eventually, there will be a massive migration inland from the coastal regions, and the economic/social implications will be mind boggling. The earth has gone through similar warming cycles in the past, but during those cycles, there were not billions of people living in low lying coastal regions.

Personally, if I were building anything today, with the idea of it still being here in the distant future, it would NOT be anywhere within 100 miles of the oceans, or less than 100 ft. above today's current sea levels.
 
I'm afraid you are going to have a hard time convincing me of what is going to happen in the future.

The predictions so far are no where close and what I don't like is the hype connected with it.
 

I'm afraid you are going to have a hard time convincing me of what is going to happen in the future. The predictions so far are no where close and what I don't like is the hype connected with it.

None of us will be around to see what will happen in the distant future....but between overpopulation, and climate change, I am convinced that we are living in the "Golden Age" of humanity. The way things are going, I see nothing but major troubles for future generations.
 
Well Don for me I think a bit of global warming wouldn't hurt at all where I live.

Millions of Canadians take off and go south in the winter in the U.S. and stay there for six months.

I checked the temperature in the city where I live over the last 100 years.

It hasn't changed one bit. In fact it's colder.winter 001.jpg

This was my yard one winter.
 
Miami streets already flood during king tides (tides that are especially high under certain planetary alignments)-- and they say the king tides keep getting higher.
 
Well Don for me I think a bit of global warming wouldn't hurt at all where I live.Millions of Canadians take off and go south in the winter in the U.S. and stay there for six months.I checked the temperature in the city where I live over the last 100 years.t hasn't changed one bit. In fact it's colder.This was my yard one winter.

Basing your assumptions on one specific location is not going to be very accurate. If you "broaden" your horizons, and look at the information on sites such as NOAA, or NASA, you may gain a more accurate perspective.

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/9/
 
Per NOAA:
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

Sea level has been rising over the past century, and the rate has increased in recent decades. In 2014, global sea level was 2.6 inches (67 mm) above the 1993 average—the highest annual average in the satellite record (1993-present). Sea level continues to rise at a rate of about one-eighth of an inch (3.2 mm) per year, due to a combination of melting glaciers and ice sheets, and thermal expansion of seawater as it warms.

My quote doesn't answer your question, but the graph on the NOAA link is from 1880 to the present.
 
That's something I have tried to find out. How much have they risen in the last century?

A simple Internet search will provide you with any number of sites which have ocean rise data for the past century. Here is one such example....

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

These rising oceans are expected to continue for centuries....no matter what puny human efforts might be made now. The "tipping point" is very near, if it hasn't already been reached.
 
Basing your assumptions on one specific location is not going to be very accurate. If you "broaden" your horizons, and look at the information on sites such as NOAA, or NASA, you may gain a more accurate perspective.

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/9/

Yes I know. But who is the 'official' source. NOAA NASA IPCC. They are sometimes in conflict with one another.


You can broaden your horizons as well and realize that global warming may be a good thing. Longer growing seasons. More food. Etc.
 
A simple Internet search will provide you with any number of sites which have ocean rise data for the past century. Here is one such example....

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

These rising oceans are expected to continue for centuries....no matter what puny human efforts might be made now. The "tipping point" is very near, if it hasn't already been reached.

The oceans have been rising for centuries and we are still within historical norms. We aren't even talking inches. We are talking millimeters.
 
Yes I know. But who is the 'official' source. NOAA NASA IPCC. They are sometimes in conflict with one another. You can broaden your horizons as well and realize that global warming may be a good thing. Longer growing seasons. More food. Etc.

There are limits on how much heat the human body can withstand. While a warming climate might extend the agriculture in the far Northern/Southern regions...it will decimate the crops in today's temperate areas...which would result in global famine. Already, the World Health Organization lists over 2 million a year dying from heat related issues, and by the year 2100, 75% of the global population may well be exposed to dangerous heat conditions.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/heatwaves-climate-change-global-warming/

Climate change is a subject I am very interested in, as I have young great grandchildren who may very will begin to experience the dangers of this phenomenon in their later years....and their future generations most certainly will. I just wish that all the "deniers" would pull their heads out of the sand and do some meaningful research on this topic...it is out there. It seems that the Only ones in the scientific community who refute this information are those who are on the fossil fuel company payrolls...and they are able to convince many of the "uneducated" who cannot look any further into the future than tomorrow.
 
Most of us, not deeply involved in the scientific field pretty much have 3 sources of info on climate change. 1) Scientists (not as individuals but the opinion of the bulk of the world's scientists collectively) 2) Your political party or local elected official, and 3) Your particular preacher.

No one else really counts and probably 99% of the people get their info from one of these sources. After awhile, you know what many people's opinions are, if you know their political affiliation or particular source of faith. :dunno:
 
There are limits on how much heat the human body can withstand. While a warming climate might extend the agriculture in the far Northern/Southern regions...it will decimate the crops in today's temperate areas...which would result in global famine. Already, the World Health Organization lists over 2 million a year dying from heat related issues, and by the year 2100, 75% of the global population may well be exposed to dangerous heat conditions.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/heatwaves-climate-change-global-warming/

Climate change is a subject I am very interested in, as I have young great grandchildren who may very will begin to experience the dangers of this phenomenon in their later years....and their future generations most certainly will. I just wish that all the "deniers" would pull their heads out of the sand and do some meaningful research on this topic...it is out there. It seems that the Only ones in the scientific community who refute this information are those who are on the fossil fuel company payrolls...and they are able to convince many of the "uneducated" who cannot look any further into the future than tomorrow.

Well the so called 'deniers' are not denying anything. The Earth has been warming for quite a few centuries now all on it's own and without any human intervention. Where I am sitting now was a glacier 10,000 or so years ago about a mile high that melted and formed the Great Lakes. There's no doubt in my mind that the Earth is warming. I'm not denying that.

My issue is with the degree of human intervention. What percentage is attributable to human intervention.? When you ask that question you are presented with complicated charts and asked to figure it out yourself. If you are that interested and sure of yourself, just give me the number. Is it 10%, 20%, 100%?
It seems that the Only ones in the scientific community who refute this information are those who are on the fossil fuel company payrolls...and they are able to convince many of the "uneducated" who cannot look any further into the future than tomorrow.

Sorry. That type of statement just doesn't cut it with me. That's just a blanket statement and drips with arrogance that anyone that might dispute the predictions for the future based on models are 'uneducated' .

People who drive a gas powered vehicle and believe that are being hypocritical.
 


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