I am a skeptic because belief deserves scrutiny

Mr. Ed

Mr. Ed

Be what you is not what you what you ain’t
Location
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Do you scrutinize information as it comes to you.
What about old information, do you question the validity of your beliefs
. Are you willing to explore options even if it is contrary to your beliefs?

From what you know about big brother, religious and world leaders do you trust your life in their hands? I don‘t trust any of them, but I was led to believe not to ask why but when?

i have difficulty believing in Christianity because when it comes to faith I cannot accept the elements of faith as real. To some it is easy to believe based on faith without tangible evidence of existence.

Either something is wrong with me or not, either way, I was not brought up to question the morale majority but to conform to the mold set before me.
 

Mr. Ed said:
Either something is wrong with me or not, either way, I was not brought up to question the morale majority but to conform to the mold set before me.
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You're a grown-up now. Doesn't matter any more how you were brought up. It should no longer be an influence. You were a kid and now you're old. Not throwing aspersions, me too! Let go.

I was luckier than most. I was brought up by non authoritarian parents. That gives other problems, but I like mine better than yours.
 
Pepper said:
You're a grown-up now. Doesn't matter any more how you were brought up. It should no longer be an influence. You were a kid and now you're old. Not throwing aspersions, me too! Let go.

I was luckier than most. I was brought up by non authoritarian parents. That gives other problems, but I like mine better than yours.
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On that topic, so was I.. and still appreciate it.
Even when I was rather young, my POV was welcome (and asked for) on news stories, current events, political issues, etc.

On the OP's topic- I was brought up without any religion, it wasn't an issue.
 
Pepper said:
You're a grown-up now. Doesn't matter any more how you were brought up. It should no longer be an influence. You were a kid and now you're old. Not throwing aspersions, me too! Let go.

I was luckier than most. I was brought up by non authoritarian parents. That gives other problems, but I like mine better than yours.
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I appreciate your thoughts but they are your thoughts from your point of view. I am me and I don't expect anyone to be me except me. You may not believe when I say I literally lost my mind 3 times from psychosis, everything I knew was wiped away. I modeled people around me to learn basic living skills like how to eat and brush my teeth. Given the fact I lost my mind I assume by now you realize I'm not like other people.

You say I am grown-up now? The truth is 30 years I wasn't able to do anything and when I came back I worked hard to squeeze in 30 years of productivity in the few I have, now I'm retired and unemployed. I'm too old and incapable of getting my doctorate degree and my health prevents me scuba diving even though through perseverance I earned my Open Water Diving Certificate, Dry Suit Certification and Nitrox Certification. I didn't waste a moments time once I was to start.

It is true, I have not developed in many areas because of mental illness.
 
JaniceM said:
On that topic, so was I.. and still appreciate it.
Even when I was rather young, my POV was welcome (and asked for) on news stories, current events, political issues, etc.

On the OP's topic- I was brought up without any religion, it wasn't an issue.
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Same here, and what that does is make you responsible for a lot more stuff, which is good if you are living in a low integrity era, as we now seem to be doing, increasingly.

When expressive my own personal judgment on an issue or even a person, I've encountered:

"Well, who are we to judge?"

My thought is that I'll go with my own judgment over anyone else's, if it affects me or my family.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Do you scrutinize information as it comes to you.
What about old information, do you question the validity of your beliefs
. Are you willing to explore options even if it is contrary to your beliefs?

From what you know about big brother, religious and world leaders do you trust your life in their hands? I don‘t trust any of them, but I was led to believe not to ask why but when?

i have difficulty believing in Christianity because when it comes to faith I cannot accept the elements of faith as real. To some it is easy to believe based on faith without tangible evidence of existence.

Either something is wrong with me or not, either way, I was not brought up to question the morale majority but to conform to the mold set before me.
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That's ok, I go by the words in the bible. "You do not choose me, the Father sends you to me" he never said "When" we'd do it, only that he'd decide that.

And expressing a "Disbelief" of belief, is ok, because it's being honest about how you feel.
 
Mr. Ed said:
i have difficulty believing in Christianity because when it comes to faith I cannot accept the elements of faith as real. To some it is easy to believe based on faith without tangible evidence of existence.
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I too, gotta have tangible evidence
For me, there is no 'blind faith'

It takes study to be a Christian
 
I study what catches my interest and try to understand. This can be quite difficult even when I am trying hard. Mr Ed…I can only imagine what you describe. Mental illness runs in my family too. I comfort myself with the thought that some of the most creative people we know have had some profound mental health problems. Do not doubt the validity of questioning faith or any other subject….it is when you stop asking questions that you have a problem.
 
Tommo said:
Now let’s see.
The traffic regulation authority.
The work safe authority.
Your own authority.
The authority of others in their own home.
The authority of guardian over their charge.
The authority of language.
The authority of truth.
The authority of fact.
The authority of a mediator to delete this message.
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Nothing wrong with asking. Nothing wrong with having questions. Do it with eyes opened, not closed. That's all.
 
I must question faith because what I was led to believe including my father was an outright lie. I believe I am fortunate to question these things whereas before I feared the outcome of discernment. If I refuse myself the quest I am not living to seek answers I am living to accept someone else's answers for me.

In my eyes church, religion, Christianity and my dad are tightly intertwined into a single recipe that was concocted at my birth. Humorously, this is not true but in my mind, together created and influenced every aspect of what I have become. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm saying life is hard and somedays it sucks.
 
Gary O' said:
It takes study to be a Christian
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I beg to differ. a person becomes a Christian by accepting and believing in Christ, there are no prerequisites to maintain godly standing. If you are a Christian you will remain a Christian u until you decide otherwise.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I beg to differ. a person becomes a Christian by accepting and believing in Christ, there are no prerequisites to maintain godly standing. If you are a Christian you will remain a Christian u until you decide otherwise.
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I can't argue with that
I worded it a bit wrong
Yes, accepting Christ
But in regard to maintaining that new faith, as the Christian matures, it takes thought, reason, understanding....and study....and prayer.....much prayer...all with the aid of The Holy Spirit
 
Gary O' said:
I can't argue with that
I worded it a bit wrong
Yes, accepting Christ
But in regard to maintaining that new faith, as the Christian matures, it takes thought, reason, understanding....and study....and prayer.....much prayer...all with the aid of The Holy Spirit
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I don't agree Christian other than adding to the information you already have, that's not maturity it's just more information. How do you know what you are doing will pay off? And what level will be your reward? The more I think about Christianity the less appealing it becomes.

How do you describe god's love personally?
 
Mr. Ed said:
I don't agree Christian other than adding to the information you already have, that's not maturity it's just more information.
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It creates a firm foundation.
Less floundering
Mr. Ed said:
How do you know what you are doing will pay off?
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There's nothing to do
I'm already paid for
at the cross
Mr. Ed said:
And what level will be your reward?
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He gave us life
with His life

The reward?

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Mr. Ed said:
Do you scrutinize information as it comes to you.
What about old information, do you question the validity of your beliefs
. Are you willing to explore options even if it is contrary to your beliefs?
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Yes to each of the 3 queries. Some call this process the scientific method, which is a time tested means of sifting through the meaningful and the untrue in life.
 
I think gratitude is a state of mind, why be gracious when life sucks? It is a ploy to accept everything in life and pretty soon you believe it. Is that gratitude or mind control?

As far as the Bible I have tried to read all my life It was either too difficult or non-relatable, Either way I didn't get any use from it. Now I don't bother because I know the outcome.
 
Nathan said:
Yes to each of the 3 queries. Some call this process the scientific method, which is a time tested means of sifting through the meaningful and the untrue in life.
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Exactly.

You work thru incoming information and test it repeatedly in (hopefully) independent ways. If it is not disproven it becomes a working hypothesis, and here's the kicker: it must always be subject to additional testing as new info comes in, and if disproven, discarded.

There is no shortcut so far as I'm concerned, and in practicality, it means that you need to immediately triage all incoming info to determine if you even *need* to know about it--to understand if it is likely to affect your life, because it requires some work to qualify it as working hypothesis. Why do this if it has small likelihood of affecting you? Do you have that much time?

If it doesn't pass the triage, it's noise.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I think gratitude is a state of mind, why be gracious when life sucks? It is a ploy to accept everything in life and pretty soon you believe it. Is that gratitude or mind control?

As far as the Bible I have tried to read all my life It was either too difficult or non-relatable, Either way I didn't get any use from it. Now I don't bother because I know the outcome.
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You know the outcome for the world, not for yourself. I'll admit, we both may have a fire bath, or I'm floating up and you're sizzling. Or it could be the other way around.

But I've never felt the bible was hard in reading it, or relating (especially in Leviticus....oh my!) I DID have ponderings of why this happened and why that. That's where Google helped a lot.

Anyway, that's all I have to say.
 

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