I don't Understand Anything about this Disease

Mike

Well-known Member
Location
London
At the beginning, we knew that it was bad and that if we didn't
follow the advice, then, we would probably die, very clear and in
Black & White.

Now though, some 18 Months later the words that we hear are so
confusing, even from the government, some say one thing, another
says the opposite, yet they are in the same party.

Then there are the "Keyboard Warriors", they seem to enjoy all of the
confusion and they post what they feel will create upset and increase
blood pressure, with nausea for some thrown in.

Now I only listen to what is actually happening on the streets, Airports,
Shipping Ports, Cruise Liners, Holidays in Spain, with pictures, they are
a better source of the truth, than any words typed into an Internet,
destination.

Staying home seems to still be the best advice, at least we can stay alive
for our Grand Children.

Mike.
 

JonDouglas

Senior Member
Location
New England
It may be helpful to remember that most people are not affected to any adverse degree by either covid-10 or the delta variant. Those that are are those with compromised immune systems. You can also take some comfort in the fact that much of the data is wrong and things aren't as bad as they're being hyped. Remember, the PCR test couldn't distinguish between "normal" flu and covid. Third, even though infections are going up, deaths continued down through this current period of unmasking. Check it out yourself by searching on covid mortality in the U.S. or Great Britain



When you consider the rate of misdiagnosed cases, it's definitely not panic time again.
 

WhatInThe

Well-known Member
All this goes back to an 'unknown' flu in late 2019. One has to wonder if those PCR tests misdiagnosed the early flus. They started seeing illnesses with flu like symptoms in Oct 2019.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-flu-season-arrives-early-driven-by-an-unexpected-virus.html

Some theorize an outbreak in July 2019 in Virginia retirement community might be covid related.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...zens-at-virginia-retirement-community/135890/

Wonder if they have gone back to any of those samples and used a more accurate lower pcr number.
 

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HarryHawk

Rev. Harry
Location
Michigan
It is confusing. The northern border of the U.S. is currently closed to having anyone enter the country. That includes people who have been fully vaccinated.

The southern border of the U.S. allows 10's of thousands of individuals to enter the country every month, there is no differentiation between vaccinated and unvaccinated. These individuals are then sent throughout the country.

I find this policy particularly confusing.
 

Warrigal

SF VIP
Perhaps a lot of people are not so much worried about dying as they are about killing their loved ones.
I'm ready to die tomorrow if it is my time but my husband would find it very hard because he needs me to look after him. Preserving my life gives him quality of life.

Our children and grand children will be fine without us both but I would not like to be the cause of infecting any of them with a virus that could leave them with long lasting ill health. I would hate to think that my great grandson could lose his mother to a disease that I had passed on to her.

For the time being we cannot see each other face to face. Hard, but a necessity.
 
Perhaps a lot of people are not so much worried about dying as they are about killing their loved ones.
I'm ready to die tomorrow if it is my time but my husband would find it very hard because he needs me to look after him. Preserving my life gives him quality of life.

Our children and grand children will be fine without us both but I would not like to be the cause of infecting any of them with a virus that could leave them with long lasting ill health. I would hate to think that my great grandson could lose his mother to a disease that I had passed on to her.

For the time being we cannot see each other face to face. Hard, but a necessity.
Let's hope your entire family comes through this global crisis unscathed.
 
It is confusing. The northern border of the U.S. is currently closed to having anyone enter the country. That includes people who have been fully vaccinated.

The southern border of the U.S. allows 10's of thousands of individuals to enter the country every month, there is no differentiation between vaccinated and unvaccinated. These individuals are then sent throughout the country.

I find this policy particularly confusing.
Is this true? What I can find on the US Embassy website suggests the rules are the same for entry from Mexico and Canada, see https://mx.usembassy.gov/travel-restrictions-fact-sheet/

Am I missing something?
 

HarryHawk

Rev. Harry
Location
Michigan
Is this true? What I can find on the US Embassy website suggests the rules are the same for entry from Mexico and Canada, see https://mx.usembassy.gov/travel-restrictions-fact-sheet/

Am I missing something?
Planes, buses being used to move migrants out of Texas and New Mexico (lcsun-news.com)

About 4,500 migrants passed through Las Cruces in the past month, making it likely that bus trips will continue to Denver, where migrants can use the robust bus and airline services to reach relatives and sponsors throughout the U.S. while they await immigration proceedings.
 
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OneEyedDiva

Well-known Member
Location
New Jersey
And this is why I haven't rushed out to get the vaccine. They don't know everything yet...about these variants or the vaccines. The conflicting information disseminated on what seems like a daily basis confirms that. You've been vaccinated but you still must wear a mask. Really? You've been vaccinated but you can still get COVID and pass it on. Seriously?! You've gotten your two shots but you may need a booster. But wait...maybe not. Oh come now! It's hard to have confidence in anything that we're being told. What are they going to do when the next mutation takes over?

I'm doing my damndest to keep my immune system boosted, being very careful in regards to social distancing. I don't do crowds and always wear my KN95 when I'm out and about. When I come home, I put those clothes in the laundry, wash my hands, face and any part of my arms that were out (usually below the elbow when it's hot out). Even before COVID I always washed my hands probably too frequently.
 
And this is why I haven't rushed out to get the vaccine. They don't know everything yet...about these variants or the vaccines. The conflicting information disseminated on what seems like a daily basis confirms that. You've been vaccinated but you still must wear a mask. Really? You've been vaccinated but you can still get COVID and pass it on. Seriously?! You've gotten your two shots but you may need a booster. But wait...maybe not. Oh come now! It's hard to have confidence in anything that we're being told. What are they going to do when the next mutation takes over?

I'm doing my damndest to keep my immune system boosted, being very careful in regards to social distancing. I don't do crowds and always wear my KN95 when I'm out and about. When I come home, I put those clothes in the laundry, wash my hands, face and any part of my arms that were out (usually below the elbow when it's hot out). Even before COVID I always washed my hands probably too frequently.
Stop that now.......you're starting to put two and two together and you're asking to many questions.
That'll never do in the new world order. :rolleyes:
 

OneEyedDiva

Well-known Member
Location
New Jersey
Stop that now.......you're starting to put two and two together and you're asking to many questions.
That'll never do in the new world order. :rolleyes:
Jeff...my career was in Public Health for the state as a Disease Intervention Specialist. I know that those in the medical profession don't have all the answers. We were privy to the advent of the very first AIDS cases. I had questions and suspicions about the origins of HIV too. I've encountered many doctors who didn't know what the he*l they were doing when it came to treating STDs.
 
Jeff...my career was in Public Health for the state as a Disease Intervention Specialist. I know that those in the medical profession don't have all the answers. We were privy to the history of the very first AIDS cases. I had questions and suspicions about the origins of HIV too. We also had doctors who didn't know what the he*l they were doing when it came to treating STDs.
Some of those doctors still don't.
And cool.....we've both sat at the same table.....in different states. I've been a member of the FDOH for many years and I probably shouldn't have said that in an open forum.......but I'm quite "hip" to all the tricks to fudge the numbers to meet the goals of the FDOH and their parents, the CDC. It's all a really, really sophisticated game where the power players are vying for their team and there are no real rules.......only desirable "outcomes"......but the public isn't supposed to know of such things.....why, the CDC & the local DOH is there to protect them!!!.....ha!
 
And EVERY health care professional & every person at the CDC & the DOH knows the ONLY mask that can protect anyone is a properly fitted N95 particulate mask and all those aforementioned people know that ALL health care providers are required to get refitted for a specific N95 mask every year. The mask mandate is one big farce.
 

Mike

Well-known Member
Location
London
It is confusing. The northern border of the U.S. is currently closed to having anyone enter the country. That includes people who have been fully vaccinated.

The southern border of the U.S. allows 10's of thousands of individuals to enter the country every month, there is no differentiation between vaccinated and unvaccinated. These individuals are then sent throughout the country.

I find this policy particularly confusing.

Is this true? What I can find on the US Embassy website suggests the rules are the same for entry from Mexico and Canada, see https://mx.usembassy.gov/travel-restrictions-fact-sheet/

Am I missing something?

Planes, buses being used to move migrants out of Texas and New Mexico (lcsun-news.com)

About 4,500 migrants passed through Las Cruces in the past month, making it likely that bus trips will continue to Denver, where migrants can use the robust bus and airline services to reach relatives and sponsors throughout the U.S. while they await immigration proceedings.
Any of the above could be the work of the "Keyboard Warriors" that
I mentioned, they can't all be correct, the Embassy says one thing yet
Icsun-news.com says the opposite, one is either wrong or isn't aware
of the facts.

Mike.
 

HarryHawk

Rev. Harry
Location
Michigan
Any of the above could be the work of the "Keyboard Warriors" that
I mentioned, they can't all be correct, the Embassy says one thing yet
Icsun-news.com says the opposite, one is either wrong or isn't aware
of the facts.

Mike.
I guess this could all be fake news, it is hard to know who to believe

Arrests at U.S.-Mexico Border This Year Top One Million - WSJ

Migrant surge at US-Mexico border is worst in 20 years: DHS boss (nypost.com)

U.S. facing biggest migrant surge in 20 years: Homeland Security | Reuters

Governor Says Immigration Surge Is Fueling COVID Cases: 'None of Them Are Vaccinated' (westernjournal.com)

Migrant apprehensions at U.S.-Mexico border are surging again | Pew Research Center
 
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I think I better understand now.

Whilst "official policy" is the same for legal entry from Canada and Mexico illegal entry from Mexico is much higher. And that illegal immigration brings in more infected people. And there are also more asylum seekers coming in from Mexico, not sure how they fit the legal vs illegal thing.

So this does not seem to me to make the articles cited by Harry "fake news", but it would certainly be more enlightening if they could better explain the facts. So far as I can see none of these articles mention Canada or our northern border, but I assume illegal and asylum traffic is less from that direction... I believe this is just another line of evidence that we need to get our border crossings, legal and illegal, under control.
 
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Planes, buses being used to move migrants out of Texas and New Mexico (lcsun-news.com)

About 4,500 migrants passed through Las Cruces in the past month, making it likely that bus trips will continue to Denver, where migrants can use the robust bus and airline services to reach relatives and sponsors throughout the U.S. while they await immigration proceedings.
The government is also storing some of these migrants in hotels at taxpayer’s expense. I caught the end if a broadcast on NPR with the news reader saying a hotel in Houston was being used and several were tested and treated for COVID-19. I don’t know if this is factual or not.
 
At the beginning, we knew that it was bad and that if we didn't
follow the advice, then, we would probably die, very clear and in
Black & White.

Now though, some 18 Months later the words that we hear are so
confusing, even from the government, some say one thing, another
says the opposite, yet they are in the same party.

Then there are the "Keyboard Warriors", they seem to enjoy all of the
confusion and they post what they feel will create upset and increase
blood pressure, with nausea for some thrown in.

Now I only listen to what is actually happening on the streets, Airports,
Shipping Ports, Cruise Liners, Holidays in Spain, with pictures, they are
a better source of the truth, than any words typed into an Internet,
destination.

Staying home seems to still be the best advice, at least we can stay alive
for our Grand Children.

Mike.
This is what happens when an issue becomes political. Those people that are using this disease to promote their agenda should be ashamed of themselves. From the teachers’ unions, to governors all the way to the top, it’s being used to further their agenda. COVID has almost become a propaganda tool.
 

Sunny

SF VIP
Location
Maryland
So many people worrying about dying that they've forgotten all about living.

This is unfortunately true about some people. The problem with your statement is that you don't specify which people you are referring to.

People who refuse to leave their house, who are afraid to go within hollering distance of another human being, even after getting the vaccine, even with wearing masks, etc. fit this description. People who are constantly scrubbing themselves, their clothes, and all the surfaces in their house fit the description. I have a friend who fits this description. I told her that even though she will never catch Covid (how could she?), she has let the virus win anyway. People who are terrified of getting an extremely safe vaccine fit the description.

But what about the great majority of Americans who by now have gotten the vaccine? We are out and about, mingling, shopping, dining in restaurants, enjoying each other's company. My entire family is going together on a beach vacation in a couple of weeks. We've all been vaccinated, except for the few who are too young, and we're planning to observe realistic caution. We're bringing tons of games, sports equipment, and food, cooking delicious meals to eat at our rented house, walking to the beach (we're three houses in from the beach, even elderly me can manage that), taking joy in seeing each other and breathing the delicious salt air.

So, while nobody is "worrying about dying," we are exercising normal precautions. We are not suicidal. We all got vaccinated as soon as possible and feel blessed that we were able to do so.

If anybody does encounter a virus or two, either we will not get sick from it, or will have a mild case. And that is the whole point of the vaccine, which anyone who reads a newspaper or watches a news broadcast knows by now. It's obviously too soon to know long term effects, but we can try to make intelligent choices based on what we know now.

And what we know now is that the vaccine seems to be amazingly effective against a killer of a disease with an even worse new variant The vaccine has few or no bad side effects, for about 99% of us. That's good enough odds for me. And that is not"worrying about dying," it's the exact opposite. The people who have been vaccinated do not have to worry about the disease at all. In our family's vacation plans, the word Covid doesn't even come up!
 

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