ISIS claiming responsibility for downed Russian airliner

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A Russian airliner carrying 224 passengers crashed into a mountainous area of Egypt's Sinai peninsula on Saturday shortly after losing radar contact near cruising altitude, killing all aboard.

A militant group affiliated to Islamic State in Egypt, Sinai Province, said in a statement it had brought down the plane "in response to Russian airstrikes that killed hundreds of Muslims on Syrian land", but Russia's Transport Minister told Interfax news agency the claim "can't be considered accurate".
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It wouldn't surprise me...especially if the plane broke into two pieces....as this article suggests. That would seem to indicate some sort of in flight explosion. I'm sure the investigators will be able to determine the cause in coming weeks. If this is indeed the actions of the Islamic radicals, perhaps it will induce the Russians to get on the same page as the rest of those fighting ISIS, and help end this Middle East stupidity.
 
I feel bad for those poor souls and their loved ones.

Will have to wait for the official report.
 

Don M. said:
It wouldn't surprise me...especially if the plane broke into two pieces....as this article suggests. That would seem to indicate some sort of in flight explosion. I'm sure the investigators will be able to determine the cause in coming weeks. If this is indeed the actions of the Islamic radicals, perhaps it will induce the Russians to get on the same page as the rest of those fighting ISIS, and help end this Middle East stupidity.
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Amen to that. And get rid of Asaad as well.
 
Don M. said:
It wouldn't surprise me...especially if the plane broke into two pieces....as this article suggests. That would seem to indicate some sort of in flight explosion. I'm sure the investigators will be able to determine the cause in coming weeks. If this is indeed the actions of the Islamic radicals, perhaps it will induce the Russians to get on the same page as the rest of those fighting ISIS, and help end this Middle East stupidity.
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Excuse me? You 'wonder' if this will help the Russians get on the same page as the rest of those fighting ISIS!!!!! Since September 30, Russia has been running round the clock bombing runs and blowing up anything that looks like a terrorist and that includes the terrorists that the US has been supplying weapons to! I posted the following on another comment but in light of your remarks here, I'll post it again.

[video]http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/bernie-sanders-tulsi-gabbard-dnc-debate/[/video]

My understanding is that in one month, Russia has accomplished more than a year of coalition forces strikes. And besides, Russia has been fighting Islamic terrorists since 'forever' or at least 1835 (and during their Soviet Union phase as well) and the most recent conflicts in Russia with Chechen Islamist terrorists happened as recently as 2011. Prior to that,you may recall that horrible time when the children were held hostage in a school in Beslan in 2004, the Moscow theatre hostage crisis in 2002, a bombing at one of their international airports in 2011..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen–Russian_conflict

And if you take the time to watch that video, you will see one of your Congresswomen state that America is using a terrorist group that claims responsibility for bringing down the Twin Towers in New York, to get rid of Bashar al Assad. You are paying your sworn enemy for four years to fight another government at a cost of how many millions, to do to Syria what was done to you. The hard truth is that America is also responsible for the flight of all those poor refugees, no less than anyone else there.

And Russia has come in to bomb the crap out of those terrorists and until yesterday, whenever they said to America numerous times, 'work with us to drive them back, coordinate with us so that there are no accidents between our countries'....and your country has refused.

This lack of understanding of the situation comes of listening to our national media outlets, CNN, CTV, CBC, FOX........I watch always for any mention of the situation in Syria, or about Russia and almost without fail, it's skewed, spun, twisted, slanted (or nothing is said and isn't that telling?) and always to make the work of Russia of no consequence or to make them look like the bad guys. Russia is a big country that has worked to pull itself away from a very bad period of it's history and it has some ways to go in a number of areas (acceptance of gays, corruption at various government levels, etc.) but in this instance, they are the guys wearing the white(r) hats. Not America, or Canada, or Britain....
 
This is one of the most cowardly acts that any group (or person) can do. Most, if not all of the people on-board that plane couldn't care less about ISIS. I would imagine that if the investigators find any residue from any type of missile, all Hell will break loose and the Russians will make them pay dearly. I couldn't find how high the plane was flying at the time of the explosion, but if it was at cruising altitude, it would be hard to believe that ISIS would have a surface to air missile that could launch that high, which I am thinking was at least 35,000 feet.

I really don't follow this stuff, but I do remember reading several weeks ago that Putin had sent troops into Syria to fight ISIS , which was a quicker response than the U.S. who are usually first to respond.
 
Debby----I was under the impression that the U.S. was in favor of allowing Assad to rule his country without interference from the U.S. and this was backed by then Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton. When Russia and China objected to the U.S. not supporting any sanctions, then Ambassador Susan Rice became angry and expressed her outrage. Today, it appears that the U.S. has reversed course and wants to wipe out terrorists in Syria.

I must admit that I really do not follow this sort of news. After serving in Vietnam and seeing and doing what I did, I had enough of any types of wars. That does not mean that I do not support our troops, but just no longer have confidence in government to make good decisions. I really believe that any type of terrorist or war issues should be left up to those that have experience by serving. I think men like Westmoreland and MacArthur could make better decisions (choices) than politicians sitting in an office thousands of miles away from the battlefield and relying on advisors to give them a good picture of what's really going on. I believe that those with experience are the better decision makers, but that's just my opinion.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/90-of-russian-airstrikes-have-not-targeted-isis-2015-10

Russia's stated intention in launching airstrikes inside of Syria is to target the Islamic State, also known as ISIS. But that isn't who they've been attacking in the vast majority of their strikes.

As US State Department spokesman John Kirby stated on October 7, “Greater than 90% of the strikes that we’ve seen them take to date have not been against ISIL or al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorists,”according to AFP. “They’ve been largely against opposition groups that want a better future for Syria and don’t want to see the Assad regime stay in power,” Kirby continued, referring to anti-regime armed groups, some of whom have received forms of assistance from the US.
 
Debby said:
You are aware oldman, that the US led coalition has been supporting the terrorists who have been fighting against the elected government of al Assad for a year at least?

Reading the following link (which I have posted elsewhere here) would give you a pretty clear idea about what's been going on there overall and why.
http://oil-price.net/en/articles/oil-prices-and-syrian-civil-war.php
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I guess it's always about the oil. If the Russians are successful with their plans against ISIS, I guess that we could see oil prices explode. However, if the powers to be in Saudi Arabia are over-thrown that may cause the other oil producing nations to become so concerned that the U.S. will have to intervene more heavily and start dropping bombs, again. I doubt if boots on the ground is the way to go. All we seem to end up with is body bags and pieces of men coming home. I seen guys in Vietnam have their limbs blown off. It's a helluva' site to behold.
 
oldman said:
I guess it's always about the oil. If the Russians are successful with their plans against ISIS, I guess that we could see oil prices explode. However, if the powers to be in Saudi Arabia are over-thrown that may cause the other oil producing nations to become so concerned that the U.S. will have to intervene more heavily and start dropping bombs, again. I doubt if boots on the ground is the way to go. All we seem to end up with is body bags and pieces of men coming home. I seen guys in Vietnam have their limbs blown off. It's a helluva' site to behold.
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Russia is NOT interested in ISIS...
 
ISIS are animals, like Boko Harum. I was just reading about their antics in Palmyra. They've already destroyed so much and now they're tying victims to temple remains and blowing them up. Then one hostage got run over with a tank. In whatever hereafter there is, they deserve a special ring of Hell.
 
Russia is fighting the militants WE are backing to defeat Assad. 90% of their airstrikes have been against them.. NOT ISIS
 
Well when they started they also stated that they would go after anything that looked like a terrorist so in a sense you're right and no one should be surprised. But indeed, they are concerned about ISIS because that group (with help from the Saudi's and Qatar, their economic enemy/competition) have taken over a wide swath of the Middle East and are a mere 24 hours worth of driving away from being inside Russia. And Russia has had conflicts, at home in their own country, with Islamic terrorism for decades. That might explain their sympathy at the time of the Trade Center crashes and the subsequent beautiful monument they sent to you! So I think they are concerned about ISIS. But they are also intent that Syria should be the ones to decide who heads their country and that it's none of America's business.

In fact, even Ban Ki Moon has come out and stated the same. Of course you won't hear that on CNN or Fox or CBC or CTV (I checked and there's no mention) so I'm going to provide the UN leaders statement for you to consider:



And here's a link to a story with the headline: “Ban Ki Moon Condemns the American Stand on Syria, Endorses Putin’s”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-01/ban-ki-moon-condemns-american-stand-syria-endorses-putins

One more brick being pulled out of the 'coalition story' it seems to me. But of course, my guess as usual is that our Western media will make NO mention of it. Should we take some bets?

".....Here is the entire quotation:
"The future of President Assad must be decided by the Syrian people. Now, I do not want to interfere in the process of Vienna, but I think it is totally unfair and unreasonable that the fate of a person [diplomatese here for: U.S. President Barack Obama’s demand that Assad be removed from the Presidency of Syria] to paralyze all this political negotiation. This is not acceptable. It's not fair. The Syrian government insists that Assad should be part of the transition. Many Western countries oppose the Syrian government’s position. Meanwhile, we lost years. 250,000 people have been killed. There are 13 million refugees or internally displaced. Over 50% of hospitals, schools and infrastructure has been destroyed in Syria. You must not lose more time. This crisis goes beyond Syria, beyond the region. It affects Europe. It is a global crisis.”

The U.N. Secretary General is here implicitly blaming all of this - lots of blood and misery - on U.S. President Obama, and on the “many Western countries” who ally with him and have joined with him in demanding regime-change in Syria.
The position of Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has been, and is, to the exact contrary of Obama’s: namely, that only an election by the Syrian people can determine whom Syria’s President should be. The U.N. Secretary General is here agreeing with Putin, and rejecting Obama’s demand, that the matter be determined instead by non-Syrians, and by non-democratic means (which is basically like George W. Bush did in Iraq, and like Barack Obama did in Libya)...."


That statement was made on October 30th and I just checked four major news outlets (CBC, CTV, MSNBC ad Fox) and no mention when I searched for the story. Is this story the victim of censorship?

Some Americans understand exactly what is going on (like Congresswoman Tulsi Gifford) but it seems that their voices are drowned out by the propaganda. She's on record on CNN, calling the American effort re: Syria, 'an illegal conflict'.
 
So let them go for it IMO.. I think the American people are pretty fed up with losing OUR blood and treasure on ingrates... Let Russia see what IT can do to stabilize the region.. I wish them well...
 
QuickSilver said:
So let them go for it IMO.. I think the American people are pretty fed up with losing OUR blood and treasure on ingrates... Let Russia see what IT can do to stabilize the region.. I wish them well...
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Too bad your government has it's own agenda that doesn't seem to match your desire for peace and stability for everyone.

And while I'm 'wagging' my finger at your administration, I'm including my past government in that accusation QS. Our past PM was really a little wannabe war monger in my opinion. As long as it's somebody else's kids of course, that are doing the fighting. He liked the photo ops on our military ships and wearing military jackets (something is very much frowned on by our vets by the way) but he never actually served. Too busy learning to be a politician you know.

Our new PM took a call from Obama the day after our election and after chatting about the kids, also delivered the news that when he was official, he'd be ending our involvement in the bombing (not that we've done all that much because seriously, our airforce is so tiny compared to yours) and would refocus on support.

Personally, this is Trudeau's one 'fly in the ointment' attitude and that is that he seems also to have bought the notion that Russia is only and always an aggressor but mark my words, the minute the official links go up, I'll be forwarding letters that point out the error of his ways!:D
 
Too bad.. and YOUR Russia seems to be just as bad.. Again.. good... Let them take the hit for a change..

Personally, this is Trudeau's one 'fly in the ointment' attitude and that is that he seems also to have bought the notion that Russia is only and always an aggressor but mark my words, the minute the official links go up, I'll be forwarding letters that point out the error of his ways!
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Let me know how that works out for you...
 
QS, the fact that I'm not willing to buy into Western government propaganda like most are, and always look for further info, doesn't make them MY Russia. It simply means that I'm not gullible like most. Maybe if that same propaganda wasn't sucked up like the proverbial 'kool-ade', maybe we'd have a safer world.

As far as the 'just as bad' portion of your remark, at least RUSSIA has been continually making efforts to DISCUSS and TALK to it's 'PARTNERS' even when those 'partners' are throwing their weight around and seeking to harm them. It's called diplomacy and seems to be a bit of a lost art as is the ability to work within the parameters of international law and I refer you back to the statements from your own Congresswoman, Tulsi Gabbard and Ban Ki Moon of the UN.
 
Yes Debby.... Russia is innocent of EVER misbehaving... It's only the bad ole USA that does.. :yeahright:. Debby.. I don't think Mother Russia can do ANY wrong.. at least not in your eyes.
 
I never said that did I QS? I'm on record conceding to their flawed stance on homosexuality and the corruption that still goes on in their government (can't remember which post but it's there somewhere.)

But when a member of your own Congress goes on record as Ms. Gabbard has and when a UN official goes on the record saying what Ban Ki Moon has said, you might as well own it.

You can't exactly call me biased or blind, as I'm more likely than most to acknowledge my own country's bad acts and squawk for improvement! We should all be holding our various countries to the highest standard and calling 'them' out when they chose the low road. That's the only way things get better.
 

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